So no change to sorcerers frags now but a nerf to clever alchemist instead why

Jake1576 · October 2017

Just why zos this will ruin gank builds and weaken stamina nightblades clever alchemist is one of the few sets left that a stamina nightblade can use to gank with still the reason you stated in the patch notes you stated it's cause you didn't want people to be able to change gear sets this is BS the real reason you are nerfing it is to nerf the stamina nightblades yet sorcerers frags change is not going to happen now why do you continue to nerf stamina players yet not nerf Magicka players @ZOS_Wrobel

grannas211 · October 2017

Thanks for your nerf sorc thread when there's already a thread about Alchemist right below this. Well done OP.

Kneighbors · October 2017

Ahaha, did you really believed that one about frags? It was a joke

The nerfs will be coming to the mighty NB of course

Jake1576 · October 2017

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Subversus · October 2017

I agree, this has been the worst change since the removal of extra damage from stealth. Why don't they understand that their game IS NOT ENJOYABLE if you're playing solo. They keep trying to force us into groups or get ran over by huge groups. This is absurd.

Vapirko · October 2017

Because did you see the amount of tantrums thrown after they announced the frags nerf? It was like a bunch of babies all got punched in the face. So instead they nerf the class that gives sorcs a hard time.

altemriel · October 2017

nerf to clever alchemist set? pls anyone could copy that part from the patch notes here?

The_Protagonist · October 2017

Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
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This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/375097/pts-patch-notes-v3-2-3/p1

You could also visit PTS and check patch notes by yourself, if you want, all you have to do is just read ans scroll through.

Feanor · October 2017

If you read the patch notes it's a bug fix, not a nerf.

Jake1576 · October 2017

Feanor wrote: »

If you read the patch notes it's a bug fix, not a nerf.

ITS A NERF

Feanor · October 2017

So you say you want to keep the buff while not wearing the set?

Jake1576 · October 2017

@ZOS_Wrobel I think you don't know what your doing and must not play eso cause if you did you would know that this change to clever alchemist is not needed leave it the way it is

Jake1576 · October 2017

Feanor wrote: »

So you say you want to keep the buff while not wearing the set?

No I want to keep the buff while I am wearing the set stop trying to be a troll

Feanor · October 2017

You still can. You just can't get the buff before you enter combat.

supaskrub · October 2017

Jake1576 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

So you say you want to keep the buff while not wearing the set?

No I want to keep the buff while I am wearing the set stop trying to be a troll

Then suggest a way to improve it, you know like ...

yes you can still use Clever Alch when stealthed BUT taking a potion will automatically put you into combat until the buff times out.

That solves the problem right away of changing item sets as it can't be done while in combat..

Vapirko · October 2017

Feanor wrote: »

If you read the patch notes it's a bug fix, not a nerf.

It’s both. But no matter how you cut it it’s a definite nerf to gank builds.

Jake1576 · October 2017

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altemriel · October 2017

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
Spoilerhide
This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/375097/pts-patch-notes-v3-2-3/p1

You could also visit PTS and check patch notes by yourself, if you want, all you have to do is just read ans scroll through.

nice, so gank bomber builds are nerfed....

supaskrub · October 2017

altemriel wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
Spoilerhide
This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/375097/pts-patch-notes-v3-2-3/p1

You could also visit PTS and check patch notes by yourself, if you want, all you have to do is just read ans scroll through.

nice, so gank bomber builds are nerfed....

No not really. they will just go Spinners + Vicious + Grothdar and stack for spell damage and penetration and probs use soul tether instead of destro ult.. :0)

Zer0oo · October 2017

Jake1576 wrote: »

Just why zos this will ruin gank builds and weaken stamina nightblades clever alchemist is one of the few sets left that a stamina nightblade can use to gank with still the reason you stated in the patch notes you stated it's cause you didn't want people to be able to change gear sets this is BS the real reason you are nerfing it is to nerf the stamina nightblades yet sorcerers frags change is not going to happen now why do you continue to nerf stamina players yet not nerf Magicka players @ZOS_Wrobel

Do you think anyone will take you serious if you start a discussion like that?

Jammer480 · October 2017

altemriel wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
Spoilerhide
This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/375097/pts-patch-notes-v3-2-3/p1

You could also visit PTS and check patch notes by yourself, if you want, all you have to do is just read ans scroll through.

nice, so gank bomber builds are nerfed....

FINALLY...thank god!

DeadlyRecluse · October 2017

Apparently the old Clever Alchemist magsorc build was too strong.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2017

To be clear, the change for Clever Alchemist was to address an exploit that was occurring, which was stated in the Developer Comment; the change to Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags is coming in next week's patch.

Elsonso · October 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

the change to Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags is coming in next week's patch.

altemriel · October 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, the change for Clever Alchemist was to address an exploit that was occurring, which was stated in the Developer Comment; the change to Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags is coming in next week's patch.

well yes, but why you nerfed it like this? You could just make the buff innefective when putting the gear down and changing it for other gear.

Apherius · October 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, the change for Clever Alchemist was to address an exploit that was occurring, which was stated in the Developer Comment; the change to Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags is coming in next week's patch.

Something like 20 page of feedback about this change are on the forum... it's the last week of test so ... hope the change will be changed into something " usefull " and not just a nerf follow by a point instead of the " usefulness " that the crystal blast was supposed to get with this change ... which from the point of view of the players don't make it usefull at all ...

Izaki · October 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, the change for Clever Alchemist was to address an exploit that was occurring, which was stated in the Developer Comment; the change to Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags is coming in next week's patch.

Seeing the Crystal Shard mentioned in the change makes this pretty interesting.

smacx250 · October 2017

Izaki wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, the change for Clever Alchemist was to address an exploit that was occurring, which was stated in the Developer Comment; the change to Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags is coming in next week's patch.

Seeing the Crystal Shard mentioned in the change makes this pretty interesting.

Crystal Shard and Crystal Frags are both having the stun removed. Only Crystal Blast will retain it. This change makes me sad, and not from any kind of a balance standpoint. Crystal Frags is *fun* with the proc and stun just for non-competitive running around and questing/fighting/etc. This change removes some of that fun, and the Blast morph doesn't gain any fun. Net result, less fun in the game.

Maikon · October 2017

They should just leave frags alone...... and make it so you can't have more then 1 shield up at a time.

ccfeeling · October 2017

Elder sorc online

ZOS_KatP · October 2017

Hey all,

Since there are multiple threads about this topic, we've decided to close this one. Please continue this discussion here.

Thanks,
KatP