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Trade Kiosk Prices Skyrocketing?
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Urza1234✭✭✭✭PocketAces13xb wrote: »What about console? I guess since you have addons it means this system works fine for you but not the people who hate these traders on console since it's hard enough to even find what you are looking for.
PC master race.
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Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.Edited by Urza1234 on 18 September 2017 13:181 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@NewBlacksmurf "true economy"? In what book i ask? You find a system in which no matter how populated server is and no matter how many trading guilds there are on the server as good for MMO?
@sadownik
Its not just one book but if you're asking a serious question....
Look at concepts or ideas studied and presented around Emile Durkheim, Karl Marx and Max Weber. While my studies were around how their ideas have impacts in the workplace, the foundation of their ideas typically identify things like capitalism and leads to different behaviors and control methods that impact the economies during different times, but even relevant in todays economies.
@Betheny and @sadownik
It appears as I wrote above that you have your own ideas about "what good is" and while each of us hold our own ideas, it doesn't mean that our thoughts are actually "good".
More important, the developers intent on the design of the game is also influenced by lore, therefore the idea of "good" or our ideas of "good" isn't a strategy or intent due to what makes sense in this time and space.
Consider why the factions exist, what the war impacts can cause as well as what they have caused. Consider while there are factions, players cross over but in the original design, factions were to be account locked. With all these understandings, "good" is relative but player behavior is very open and possible so it seems that this existence is accurate which one could argue is "better" than many ideas of what "good" should be in this topic as well as others on this forum.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on 18 September 2017 13:24-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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We would love to see a auction house.
Save major stress upon guild leaders.
No more forcing folks to pay high amounts of gold to hold a trader.
A auction house will save hours of jumping maps looking for items you need.
A auction house will free up time for the whole guild allowing time for fun events! vet runs and crazy group ups!
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.4 -
Trashkan✭✭✭Make guilds larger. Boom problem fixed. It would also fix alot of other things In the game that make it seem kinda empty when there are a ton of players on.2
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Urza1234✭✭✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000.
Its also not a reason that there should be guild traders, its just debunking the belief that all AH proponents seem to have that if they get an AH then the AH UI would magically be better than the UI we already have.
Reality check, its still ZoS designing the UI.0 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.3 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
You can be in the best trade guild in the game and keep ur place in it by "selling a few things every so often". No one is forcing you to farm [snip] 24/7 and selling millions to keep ur place in it.
Just because they havent learnt how to trade it doesnt mean they are not allowed to trade.
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✭✭✭I feel it too, each week having to try and find a spot for one of my guilds. Eventually I do get one because of all the saved up bids from previous weeks. I hoping for a lot of the gold out there to eventually work its way out of the system. That said, an auction house, without the gold sink, would mean all that gold flooding the market.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
You can be in the best trade guild in the game and keep ur place in it by selling a few things every so often. No one is forcing you to farm sh*t 24/7 and selling millions to keep ur place in it.
Just because they havent learnt how to trade it doesnt mean they are not allowed to trade.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.3 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
Literally anyone who wants to get into a trade guild can. People who just want to sell a few things every week dont belong in Blackbriar Barter Co. or any of the serious guilds, but there are still guilds with kiosks for every level of seller.
I agree with you 100% though that the bidding system needs to be improved to reduce volatility. GL getting ZoS to actually do that, but its better to be right and ineffectual than wrong and ineffectual I guess.Edited by Urza1234 on 18 September 2017 13:431 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Most people who complain about guild traders simply haven't bothered to get a trade guild for one reason or another.
I have never seen a proper trade guild that was always 100% completely full. There are almost always a few slots open for new people to join up.
The barrier to entry for a trade guild is tiny amount. For a casual seller/guild, it can be virtually free (in secondary or tertiary spots), for a serious seller you are looking at about 5-10k in dues for some of the best spots in the game (5k one day worth of writs, an hour of questing, or Fifteen minutes of serious gold farming.)
Many guilds waive dues or instead prefer sales.
* Spicy Economics, one of the oldest and most competitive trade guilds in the game on PC-NA, waives donations at 100k in sales iirc.
* My current trade guild , ITU, functions almost completely off of donations, sale tax, and our biweekly internal auctions.
* My previous guild, NEON GRIND TRADE CO, had 5-10k in dues or 40k sales requirement.
If you simply cannot meet requirements for trade guilds, you likely do not have much that is worth selling to begin with. Shouting in zone chat (especially craig or rawl) is viable if you only need to sell that lucky infused spriggan's mace and nothing else. I've had little trouble unloading excess motif pages in that manner when my own trade slots were full, and I am by no means a serious seller.
Complaining about a functional system that prevents a great deal of market exploitation is asinine.Edited by Jamini on 18 September 2017 13:46"Adapt. or Die."6 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
Literally anyone who wants to get into a trade guild can. People who just want to sell a few things every week dont belong in Blackbriar Barter Co. or any of the serious guilds, but there are still guilds with kiosks for every level of seller.
I agree with you 100% though that the bidding system needs to be improved to reduce volatility. GL getting ZoS to actually do that, but its better to be right and ineffectual than wrong and ineffectual I guess.
I don't see why it's okay to make it so some people can't be exposed to the market to sell their goods, when they might have the same items to sell as the ones who can get to a wider market, just fewer of them or less often or whatever their limiting factor is.
All players should be able to reach the same market equally, right now not only are some markets less trafficked, but some people don't even have a market to sell in at all.3 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
Your average player will be, if they are even interested, in an average trade guild. Huge swaths of the population potato around in the overworld and just vendor everything.
Also we do all understand I think that guild leaders are inconvenienced by the way the guild trader system works. My advice is to drop your GM position and go join a trading guild thats managing their kiosk effectively so you dont have to bother.
Complaining about a functional system that prevents a great deal of market exploitation is asinine.
yeah that.Edited by Urza1234 on 18 September 2017 13:510 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
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Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
Also we do all understand I think that guild leaders are inconvenienced by the way the guild trader system works. My advice is to drop your GM position and go join a trading guild thats managing their kiosk effectively so you dont have to bother.
I'm not a GM of a trade guild, I know what is going on behind the scenes however. And actual serious trade guilds are losing their spots regularly now.2 -
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I don't see why it's okay to make it so some people can't be exposed to the market to sell their goods, when they might have the same items to sell as the ones who can get to a wider market, just fewer of them or less often or whatever their limiting factor is.
All players should be able to reach the same market equally, right now not only are some markets less trafficked, but some people don't even have a market to sell in at all.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
Also we do all understand I think that guild leaders are inconvenienced by the way the guild trader system works. My advice is to drop your GM position and go join a trading guild thats managing their kiosk effectively so you dont have to bother.
I'm not a GM of a trade guild, I know what is going on behind the scenes however. And actual serious trade guilds are losing their spots regularly now.
1. Join a second crêpe tier guild.
2. Pray that ZoS gives a damn
3. Dont confuse the need for an improved bidding system for the need for an AH, these are not the same things.
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1) Already done.
I don't see why it's okay to make it so some people can't be exposed to the market to sell their goods, when they might have the same items to sell as the ones who can get to a wider market, just fewer of them or less often or whatever their limiting factor is.
All players should be able to reach the same market equally, right now not only are some markets less trafficked, but some people don't even have a market to sell in at all.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
Also we do all understand I think that guild leaders are inconvenienced by the way the guild trader system works. My advice is to drop your GM position and go join a trading guild thats managing their kiosk effectively so you dont have to bother.
I'm not a GM of a trade guild, I know what is going on behind the scenes however. And actual serious trade guilds are losing their spots regularly now.
1. Join a second crêpe tier guild.
2. Pray that ZoS gives a damn
And what happens when all your trade guilds fail at getting spots? You got nowhere to sell!
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What part do you not understand?Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
You can be in the best trade guild in the game and keep ur place in it by selling a few things every so often. No one is forcing you to farm sh*t 24/7 and selling millions to keep ur place in it.
Just because they havent learnt how to trade it doesnt mean they are not allowed to trade.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
You can be in multiple guilds. If none of them get a trader for consecutive weeks then they are not as great as you think they are and its time for you to change.
Average players can most certainly keep a place in the best trading guilds. The best trade guilds do not require astronomical selling prices. You can go and buy 10 tempers and just resell them. No profit, no loss. They will still be listed as things u sold in the guild and cover the requirments for the week.
There you go, i just told you how to keep a place in the best trade guilds in 20 minutes every week. Like i said, just because you or some other people dont know how to trade, it doesnt mean you are not allowed to.Edited by pieratsos on 18 September 2017 14:012 -
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What part do you not understand?Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
You can be in the best trade guild in the game and keep ur place in it by selling a few things every so often. No one is forcing you to farm sh*t 24/7 and selling millions to keep ur place in it.
Just because they havent learnt how to trade it doesnt mean they are not allowed to trade.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
You can be in multiple guilds. If none of them get a trader for consecutive weeks then they are not as great as you think they are and its time for you to change.
Average players can most certainly keep a place in the best trading guilds. The best trade guilds do not require astronomical selling prices. You can go and buy 10 tempers and just resell them. No profit, no loss. They will still be listed as things u sold in the guild and cover the requirments for the week.
There you go, i just told you how to keep a place in the best trade guilds in 20 minutes every week. Like i said, just because you or some other people dont know how to trade, it doesnt mean you are not allowed to.
LMAO.
That's probably all those big trade guilds are doing...buying *** off each other and reselling it all to each other for no profit. Yeah this system works :rolleyes:
Meanwhile people who actually want to trade whatever can't because the big trade guilds are filled with stuff that's getting resold for same price to the other big trade guilds, and back and forth.
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✭My medium-sized trade guild's been doing fine in Windhelm, I believe they're at over a full consecutive year of keeping their trader. Happy to sell there since I can sell as much or as little as I want (though it often leans toward much) and I've never had a problem selling non-niche items like motif pages or excess crafting materials. No fees either. Perhaps consider locations like that?
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Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭What we need is a crash, not an auction house.
The current system allows for a wide variety of markets, allowing a rich and varied many ways for people to make their money. Farmers can farm, resellers can resell in a variety of ways and invest and play the market. Farmers can also play the market by knowing what sells better in a given location.
Add an auction house and suddenly at the click of a single button all those resellers have access to every 'low priced' item in game in one spot. Competition becomes too fierce and only a select few across the whole game can make money this way. Resellers move to farming, and the problem moves down the ladder causing saturation of farmed markets. Too many of certain farmed goods, causing prices to collapse but also, limiting the amount of players who can make money from this resource.
From a buyers perspective this is healthy, creating lower prices, but there is a point where it becomes imbalanced, and low prices are still too high for players who cant make a dime.
Auction houses still make the rich richer and the poor poorer. It is not a solution to the problem, rather trading one set of problems for another.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Trade guild bids are one of the biggest gold sinks in the game. Through the entire system, we're looking at hundreds of millions of gold disappearing into thin air every Sunday night.
The fact that prices have gone up just means that, despite this gold sink and other gold sinks that ZOS has introduced, the amount of gold sloshing through the economy is still too high. Trade guilds continue to bid high because they continue to afford to bid high. When they truly can't afford to bid that high (vs. just groaning about having to bid that high), then prices will come down.
Maybe what ZOS needs is more gold sinks. Or tighten up on some of the gold faucets. Bids are a reflection of the gold sloshing around in the game, which is why the trader bid system is such an effective gold sink: it's the only gold sink that dynamically scales up or down based on the gold volume in the game.
That said, as a trade guild GM, I hate the stress of weekly bids and I absolutely dread Sunday nights. But at the same time, I do admire the beautiful efficacy of the guild system as a means of gold regulation.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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What part do you not understand?Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
You can be in the best trade guild in the game and keep ur place in it by selling a few things every so often. No one is forcing you to farm sh*t 24/7 and selling millions to keep ur place in it.
Just because they havent learnt how to trade it doesnt mean they are not allowed to trade.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
You can be in multiple guilds. If none of them get a trader for consecutive weeks then they are not as great as you think they are and its time for you to change.
Average players can most certainly keep a place in the best trading guilds. The best trade guilds do not require astronomical selling prices. You can go and buy 10 tempers and just resell them. No profit, no loss. They will still be listed as things u sold in the guild and cover the requirments for the week.
There you go, i just told you how to keep a place in the best trade guilds in 20 minutes every week. Like i said, just because you or some other people dont know how to trade, it doesnt mean you are not allowed to.
LMAO.
That's probably all those big trade guilds are doing...buying *** off each other and reselling it all to each other for no profit. Yeah this system works :rolleyes:
Meanwhile people who actually want to trade whatever can't because the big trade guilds are filled with stuff that's getting resold for same price to the other big trade guilds, and back and forth.
Are you stupid or do you just pretend to be?
It doesnt matter what the other people do genius. Yeah other people in those guilds make millions of profit every week. They are not average players selling a few things every so often. Just because they do it, it doesnt mean that you have to do it as well.
I am telling you what you can do to keep ur place in those guilds even if you have absolutely nothing to sell. Whether you do it or not its ur choice. But you are allowed to sell. If you dont know how to do it its ur fault.0 -
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What part do you not understand?Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
You can be in the best trade guild in the game and keep ur place in it by selling a few things every so often. No one is forcing you to farm sh*t 24/7 and selling millions to keep ur place in it.
Just because they havent learnt how to trade it doesnt mean they are not allowed to trade.
Your average player will not be in the best trade guild in the game, they require more than the average player can sell. And you can be in a great trade guild and still find yourself with no trader and nowhere to sell, what part of that do you not understand.
You can be in multiple guilds. If none of them get a trader for consecutive weeks then they are not as great as you think they are and its time for you to change.
Average players can most certainly keep a place in the best trading guilds. The best trade guilds do not require astronomical selling prices. You can go and buy 10 tempers and just resell them. No profit, no loss. They will still be listed as things u sold in the guild and cover the requirments for the week.
There you go, i just told you how to keep a place in the best trade guilds in 20 minutes every week. Like i said, just because you or some other people dont know how to trade, it doesnt mean you are not allowed to.
LMAO.
That's probably all those big trade guilds are doing...buying *** off each other and reselling it all to each other for no profit. Yeah this system works :rolleyes:
Meanwhile people who actually want to trade whatever can't because the big trade guilds are filled with stuff that's getting resold for same price to the other big trade guilds, and back and forth.
Are you stupid or do you just pretend to be?
It doesnt matter what the other people do genius. Yeah other people in those guilds make millions of profit every week. They are not average players selling a few things every so often. Just because they do it, it doesnt mean that you have to do it as well.
I am telling you what you can do to keep ur place in those guilds even if you have absolutely nothing to sell. Whether you do it or not its ur choice. But you are allowed to sell. If you dont know how to do it its ur fault.
ffs...are you stupid or just pretend to be?
I don't need your advice for myself, I am trying to explain what is happening TO PEOPLE in this game.
And why the system is not working.0 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭I despise this games trade system.
I belong to 2 trade guilds, neither premier guilds. If, big if, they get kiosks, they are secondary at best.
I'm a person who just wants to dump my inventory, when it fills up with semi valuable gear, so I'm pricing low and not getting greedy; just want better then vendor prices.
So much *** expires...sometimes BiS items or FotM items (like a purple Necro Lightning Staff with sharpened, pre HotR, it expired priced at 10k...lol).
Why? Because no access to buyers. That is necessary to sell. This system holds buyers hostage, and only the elite get access to them. 499 buyers is not a large pool, and the chances of a person needing the item you want to list, at that exact time, in that number of people is pretty small. Additionally, the chances someone is selling an item you want to buy at the time you need it, is also low, so the system encourages players to go to the markets and check multiple vendors, instead of checking their own guild.
Then to top it off, the kiosk bidding system only rewards only those that have money already; and the disparity between the haves and have nots is wide enough other guilds can't break into it.
System is broken and ridiculous; they should have went full EvE (but then fast travel would need to go, and items would need to be destroyed) and even in EvE, anyone can trade at the main trade hubs; or just went with a simpler AH system (why fix what isn't broken).
Speaking of EvE...the game that has the most complex economy, and guess what every single player is allowed to do? Go to a trade hub and sell their ***. It has a complex location based economy, but didn't need to prevent people from listing their items through *** like these trade kiosks.
I apologize, I sometimes struggle to fully express my thoughts when typing on my phone, so this may be missing pieces. In summary, trade system in ESO is ***, and an AH would be much better for the vast majority of players; unless ZOS wants to fully commit to a fractured location based economy, in which case, I suggest they start playing EvE and figure out exactly why that system works (all aspects) and get ready to do the massive work to incorporate those concepts into this game. A half assed solution just doesn't work.Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" - Sallington
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✭✭✭✭✭OMG. This whole trading situation sounds horrific. Personally I am not in any trade guilds and avoid this stuff at all costs.
As for why stuff isn't selling.... here's my input for what it's worth:
- Housing was a massive gold sink that succeeded in its job
- Morrowind/HotR saw massive balance changes that altered the gear we all use. If people are lower than usual on gold/mats right now then they will be more hesitant to buy stuff
Despite these two huge variables that removed Gold from the economy and made people far more hesitant to buy, there has been a price increase on stuff. You'd expect the opposite. I make sure to never buy gold materials from the traders because of this except for on rare occasions.2 -
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✭From someone who played WOW for years , I like this system in ESO better. I like the shopping around, I like how I can find items a varied prices all over the place. this system is dynamic and fun.
AH is boring... All the needed items end of being the same inflated value. Some items rise and fall, but the important ones always are over inflated.
At least on the console (XBOX NA) the prices in this system are great becasue no one really knows the prices from trader to trader. There is ESO price check app for XBOX NA which helps with this info a little, but still largely unknown from trader to trader.
I found it very easy to get in with a trade guild. You have to sell very little to make the 10K a week dues. I personally have never had an issue with this system.
I can imagine starting a trader guild would be a long process as there are a lot of established guilds out there. However, marketing your guild with unique things that other guilds to not have or do would make you competitive. This would require a good amount of effort and time. However the upside of always having to out perform you competition with prices and guild activities makes this system extremely dynamic and diverse.
I can see how the instant gratification generation would not like this system as it requires a lot of upfront effort for a pay off down the road. It really goes against the trend.XBOX NA
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Urza1234✭✭✭✭I despise this games trade system.
I belong to 2 trade guilds, neither premier guilds. If, big if, they get kiosks, they are secondary at best.
I'm a person who just wants to dump my inventory, when it fills up with semi valuable gear, so I'm pricing low and not getting greedy; just want better then vendor prices.
I apologize, I sometimes struggle to fully express my thoughts when typing on my phone, so this may be missing pieces. In summary, trade system in ESO is ***, and an AH would be much better for the vast majority of players; unless ZOS wants to fully commit to a fractured location based economy, in which case, I suggest they start playing EvE and figure out exactly why that system works (all aspects) and get ready to do the massive work to incorporate those concepts into this game. A half assed solution just doesn't work.
Yeah, I'm fully in the same category of sellers as you. I dont tend to have the same problems though, drop your current guilds and get ones with more regular access to traders imo.
I would be interested to see ESO take some queues from EVE tho.
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Queo✭✭✭CrazyCleatus wrote: »Don't know what everyone has against auction houses. I made a lot of money in WoW starting with absolutely nothing on two different servers, each with different economies. I would start by buying and reselling stacks of cotton, and eventually worked my way up to buying and reselling high priced items.
It was actually a really fun process. The trading system in this game is pretty bogus compared to it, especially being on console, which makes searches insanely clunky. I also hate having to travel everywhere to find good deals. I'd waaaaaay rather it all be in one convenient place.
This current system is also awful for new guilds who can't afford the ridiculous bidding prices. Everyone should have equal opportunity to sell their goods.
And for everyone yelling "monopoly, monopoly, monopoly," in my years of playing WoW, they never stopped me from making it rich.
Ive done the same in every game i played with a global AH. from Rappelz, Aika to flash games like ebony, GOII .... and thats what people dont want to happen who oppose this ...0 -
FoolishHuman✭✭✭✭✭Its as I said, any UI ZoS throws together is probably going to be crap. If ZoS gave us and Console all an Auction House you probably wouldn't be able to search that either.
ZOS designing a crap UI shouldn't be cited as the reason that most of the server get denied the opportunity to trade their goods some weeks if not all.
Level of exaggeration exceeding 9000..
Not at all...quite often even serious trade guilds lose their spot leaving members without anywhere to trade, sometimes for weeks in a row. And loads of people can't even get into a serious trade guild, because they just want to sell a few things every so often...so those people aren't allowed to trade at all.
Literally anyone who wants to get into a trade guild can. People who just want to sell a few things every week dont belong in Blackbriar Barter Co. or any of the serious guilds, but there are still guilds with kiosks for every level of seller.
I agree with you 100% though that the bidding system needs to be improved to reduce volatility. GL getting ZoS to actually do that, but its better to be right and ineffectual than wrong and ineffectual I guess.
I don't see why it's okay to make it so some people can't be exposed to the market to sell their goods, when they might have the same items to sell as the ones who can get to a wider market, just fewer of them or less often or whatever their limiting factor is.
All players should be able to reach the same market equally, right now not only are some markets less trafficked, but some people don't even have a market to sell in at all.
Imagine if all the items looted in the game, all of them get to be on the market. What do you think the prices are gonna look like after a week? What do you think ZOS will do to the drop rates of items if everyone can have every piece of gear for a few gold? And once the drop rates are down you are not gonna be able to get any items yourself if you are not a crazy grinder, so you'll have to buy from the auction house. Suddenly the main part of the game does no longer take place on the dolmens and public dungeons, but the towns where people flip wares and sell farmed materials to buy the gear they want. This is what the current system has prevented for now.
If you wish for an economy simulation game with some fantasy rpg attached to it you should try playing guild wars 2 or path of exile.0
