Are Stamblades good at dueling 1v1s?

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

I've always considered Stam DK top notch in the dueling world however a lot of nerfs have come to the class with resource management and the other patch nerfs although it still seems good in 1v1. I just really need something good for both open world and dueling. How good is Stamblades in similar environments?

Was thinking of 2 selenes maybe 3 agility and a 5 piece heavy set.

I really need to race change my Stam DK back to a Dunmer Magicka for PVE reasons anyways and Stamblades seem better in open world and I enjoy solo running around cyrodil but I also enjoy duels. I'm only level 36 right now on my Nightblade.

Any advice is appreciated.

Waffennacht · August 2017

If your cloak works (Stam or Mag) you'll do very well.

If your opponent has a counter, you're gonna have a harder time.

I've seen one former emp not run cloak and do very well, he was the only one though

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

If your cloak works (Stam or Mag) you'll do very well.

If your opponent has a counter, you're gonna have a harder time.

I've seen one former emp not run cloak and do very well, he was the only one though

Yeah I was thinking cloak could be good to get some vigor ticks. I know that's one reason I like Stam DK is igneous shields buff to vigor heals. I figure with cloak it would be okay to not have major mending because cloak could help not be hit when healing.

devilsTear · August 2017

If you do rally while cloaked it crits too.

Drakkdjinn · August 2017

Yes.

HiImRex · August 2017

It's top tier

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

Would heavy armor Nightblade be good?

WaltherCarraway · August 2017

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Heavy anything is good at dueling

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

WaltherCarraway · August 2017

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Try to burst a good stam dk then

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leepalmer95 · August 2017

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Not really they have 15% regen and a crap sustain skill.

Dk's have the return passive + battle roar. Also better healing and dots with a good ult as well.

A proper dueling s&b heavy stam dk is impossible still.

KingJ · August 2017

Stamblade out of the 5 stam classes is the weakest for dueling.Mainly since in dueling cloak is so easy to counter NB can't really heal without cloak.Its why stamblade dont really win dueling tournaments because most people are roughly equal skill and to win you need to be better than your enemy on a stamblade to win.

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Not really they have 15% regen and a crap sustain skill.

Dk's have the return passive + battle roar. Also better healing and dots with a good ult as well.

A proper dueling s&b heavy stam dk is impossible still.

I main a Stam DK and its awesome 1v1 especially with selenes and five fury. Just was hoping Stam nighblade was as good because I enjoy open world and Stam dks mobility sucks and like I said I need my Magicka DK back because it's my main dps ☺. But I understand that every class can't do everything .

WuffyCerulei · August 2017

Stamblades are pretty good with dueling. They have good burst and whatnot. Probably won't do well against tanks, but really any class has a hard time with tanks.

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Not really they have 15% regen and a crap sustain skill.

Dk's have the return passive + battle roar. Also better healing and dots with a good ult as well.

A proper dueling s&b heavy stam dk is impossible still.

Just thinking about heavy attack >poison injection > ambush >incap> execute. Most of the time on my Stam DK i I don't burst people it's just constant pressure with sustain and the proc sets matter. When I go burst build with 2H it all comes down to wrecking blow landing (which could take a minute) with a dragon leap. Which I figure is harder to land than the above combo.

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Not really they have 15% regen and a crap sustain skill.

Dk's have the return passive + battle roar. Also better healing and dots with a good ult as well.

A proper dueling s&b heavy stam dk is impossible still.

Just thinking about heavy attack >poison injection > ambush >incap> execute. Most of the time on my Stam DK i I don't burst people it's just constant pressure with sustain and the proc sets matter. When I go burst build with 2H it all comes down to wrecking blow landing (which could take a minute) with a dragon leap. Which I figure is harder to land than the above combo.

Which my nightblade thoughts are just hypothesis since I haven't pvped with one just watched it for years.

Koensol · August 2017

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Not really they have 15% regen and a crap sustain skill.

Dk's have the return passive + battle roar. Also better healing and dots with a good ult as well.

A proper dueling s&b heavy stam dk is impossible still.

Just thinking about heavy attack >poison injection > ambush >incap> execute. Most of the time on my Stam DK i I don't burst people it's just constant pressure with sustain and the proc sets matter. When I go burst build with 2H it all comes down to wrecking blow landing (which could take a minute) with a dragon leap. Which I figure is harder to land than the above combo.

Which my nightblade thoughts are just hypothesis since I haven't pvped with one just watched it for years.

Your NB combo isn't bad, but it's missing 1 vital part: fear. On my build I dodgeroll for the senches bite buff, then go in cloak, heavy attack, poison injection, ambush (hold block in case someone uses reverberating bash, dizzying swing, or any other cc), then fear into an incap and maybe 1 or 2 lightattack+surprise attack or lightattack+executioner depending on health. Then dodge again into cloak and go try to apply my dots again, kite for a while until cc immunity is gone, then go in again with fear.

This strategy works very well, but like others have said, in duels you have much stuff that breaks cloak so you need to be clever on the movement. Hurricane, ritual of retribution, streak and volatile armor are well know cloak rapers. The tanky stamdk/magdk are among my least favorite opponents.

SRASinister · August 2017

A good stamblade you be able to beat most stam classes in duels, but good magicka classes are harder if you don't use a proc set.

Ragnaroek93 · August 2017

It's very strong (would rate stamsorc and stamblade as the strongest duel classes for stamina if they run heavy armor) but requires you to stack incredible amounts of tank items (two high weapon damage sets which boost your weapondamage to somewhat 5k, vampire for undead passive and a defensive 2p set).

However I think that magicka is top tier in duels right now. Would rate petsorc as the strongest in total and magplar and magdk after that (they were already very strong with light armor and should be really devastating now with new Shadowrend set, just make sure to use reverb bash on magplar and magdk).

@Subversus can tell you more, I haven't really played heavy armor nb since a long time.

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

Koensol wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Stamblade might have a hard time If dueling with a stam dk doing well on resource management and combat pace.

Isn't Stam blades burst better?

Not really they have 15% regen and a crap sustain skill.

Dk's have the return passive + battle roar. Also better healing and dots with a good ult as well.

A proper dueling s&b heavy stam dk is impossible still.

Just thinking about heavy attack >poison injection > ambush >incap> execute. Most of the time on my Stam DK i I don't burst people it's just constant pressure with sustain and the proc sets matter. When I go burst build with 2H it all comes down to wrecking blow landing (which could take a minute) with a dragon leap. Which I figure is harder to land than the above combo.

Which my nightblade thoughts are just hypothesis since I haven't pvped with one just watched it for years.

Your NB combo isn't bad, but it's missing 1 vital part: fear. On my build I dodgeroll for the senches bite buff, then go in cloak, heavy attack, poison injection, ambush (hold block in case someone uses reverberating bash, dizzying swing, or any other cc), then fear into an incap and maybe 1 or 2 lightattack+surprise attack or lightattack+executioner depending on health. Then dodge again into cloak and go try to apply my dots again, kite for a while until cc immunity is gone, then go in again with fear.

This strategy works very well, but like others have said, in duels you have much stuff that breaks cloak so you need to be clever on the movement. Hurricane, ritual of retribution, streak and volatile armor are well know cloak rapers. The tanky stamdk/magdk are among my least favorite opponents.

Doesn't incap CC the opponent?

Hatoreehanzo · August 2017

Because cloak is for poo-says.

Khajiit
Shadow Mundus
5 Heavy Hunding (Impen)
5 Bone Pirate (2 Body, 3 Jewelry w/ 1 reduction, 2 recovery)
Maelstrom Greatsword
Master Bow

Greatsword
Surprise Attack, Ambush, Cammo Hunter, Hysteria, Rally, Incap.
Bow
Poison Inject, Relentless, Leeching, Shuffle, Vigor, Ballista.

CP I'll leave up to you, but make sure you put some into befoul for the incap debuff. If you run into a tankier opponent like a HA Magplar or MagDK, hvy attack, bow ult, fear and putt'em down. If Sorcs mine camp, roll through them and laugh because heavy armor.

ManDraKE · August 2017

In general stamblades use medium armor, it what fits their playstyle. Medium armor is kinda *** for duels since you can't LoS (well, you can, but we all know the unwritten rules of dueling), and high mobility with cheap dodge roll to LoS and kite is the main defense of medium armor. In top of that, cloak is easily countered in duels, so there goes your other main defense and source of healing.

You can still win a lot of duels with a medium armor stamblade, but if you have to face a high level player with a good heavy armor build for example, you are probably going to lose. Making a dueling build in a any other stam class is far more easy because their open world builds translate far better into a dueling build, for a stamblade you have to completely change the build just for duels, and most of the players won't even bother with that.

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

Hatoreehanzo wrote: »

Because cloak is for poo-says.

Khajiit
Shadow Mundus
5 Heavy Hunding (Impen)
5 Bone Pirate (2 Body, 3 Jewelry w/ 1 reduction, 2 recovery)
Maelstrom Greatsword
Master Bow

Greatsword
Surprise Attack, Ambush, Cammo Hunter, Hysteria, Rally, Incap.
Bow
Poison Inject, Relentless, Leeching, Shuffle, Vigor, Ballista.

CP I'll leave up to you, but make sure you put some into befoul for the incap debuff. If you run into a tankier opponent like a HA Magplar or MagDK, hvy attack, bow ult, fear and putt'em down. If Sorcs mine camp, roll through them and laugh because heavy armor.

Is Fury any good on Stam Nightblade? I figure against Magicka classes Reactive would still make Mag Dks hit like a noodle. But your build looks awesome. I would have to farm the stuff.

Metemsycosis · August 2017

What would pair with reactive though? I just grabbed a set of this and yet dont have a clue where to go next. Thinking selene and a recovery set but idk if theres enough damage. Cool thread btw.

WillhelmBlack · August 2017

I've lost twice on stamblade

Jjitsuboy98 · August 2017

Metemsycosis wrote: »

What would pair with reactive though? I just grabbed a set of this and yet dont have a clue where to go next. Thinking selene and a recovery set but idk if theres enough damage. Cool thread btw.

2 Selene and maybe three agility.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · August 2017

If in medium armour I'd say no, well you hit hard but depending how you're built you're squishy.

Like for instance my Nightblade in Pvp is squishy but I rarely die on it, terrible build for duels but good at killing ppl quick and kiting/los in cyrodiil.

I'd agree that in duels HA is usually strong, I find it funny when I see like 10 ppl in cyro dueling. Then they come to me and want to duel (when my stamblade has 20.4k health) knowing I'm not built for duelling, que whispers of bait etc. But I'm not gunna duel a player built in a duelling setup just so they can tbag me.

Actually why tf do ppl duel in cyro? Do they realise duelling in PVE is a thing?

Rahotu · August 2017

morihaus and dodge roll him to death

Ashamray · August 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

If your cloak works (Stam or Mag) you'll do very well.

If your opponent has a counter, you're gonna have a harder time.

I've seen one former emp not run cloak and do very well, he was the only one though

You don't even need this cloak in duel neither on Stamblade nor on Mageblade

LegendaryMage · August 2017

Yes, stamblades are insanely strong in duels if built right with heavy armor. The pressure is much higher than with any other class, mainly due to incap and relentless combo. Surprise attack is one of the best dps skills that you can use in a duel, it scales very well with damage, applies a debuff on its own, and also buffs you up since it's a shadow skill, which then lasts longer thanks to heavy.

In duels it's all about efficiency. Things like self heals and dps skills like surprise attack is where it's at. This is why mag dks are extremely strong in duels, pet sorcs as well, anything that has multiple aspects to it will be strong in a dueling situation. While you're busy casting one or two skills to do something, another class comes in with a single cast and does multiple things. Combine enough efficiency with survivability and dueling is no longer about skill, it's all about the build.