Enough is enough console player please read!

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Are we sure that's true, about PC players beta testing for console? I believe there is totally different code involved. I wouldn't' think it works that simply.

Not being hostile, just sayin'.

Its half true. In cases like this one, they released a patch on PC yesterday that did not fix anything. This means that a more robust fix MAY make its way to console. However, this is not generally the case. When things are released broken on PC, such as BG queues, console players get the exact same bugs. Often, a fix will be implemented on PC for an issue and console players will get the busted version and then have to wait a month or more for the PC fix. So depending on the narrative or the level of trolling and flaming you're pursuing, you can argue either way. As a general statement, it is largely incorrect.

ArcVelarian · June 2017

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hamburgerler76 · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Xbox one x will as good as most high end pcs if not better it will render true 4k gaming and 60 fps or better depending how dev choose to use the extra power all you need to do is look at the specs buddy

Don't feed the "PC Master" trolls. And especially don't feed them with advertised specs for the One X. I've always played on console, but I am by no means a fan boy for one platform over the other. Honestly, if the One X delivers 50% of what is actually advertised when its actually in use I will be surprised. The PS4 Pro was supposed to revolutionize gaming, and it never lived up to the performance metrics advertised. The One X is highly unlikely to outperform the PS4 in any appreciable way. I'd love for it to, but to get similar performance on a PC, you would need a graphics card that costs more than the entire console. So they're definitely going cheap on the build somewhere (I see red rings of death in the future). But that's all just speculation. And not the point of this thread anyways.

TLDR: Console players are well aware of the console certification process. The console certification process excuse doesn't even fit, since Gina told us they weren't submitting it ASAP, but sticking it in a scheduled incremental instead. All us console players want is to get emergency patches for completely broken content in a timely fashion. If it costs ZOS money, then oh well. That's what they get for releasing busted content despite being warned.

Lol it already has they showed it off it it's up to dev to use the extra power but it's deff there

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Are we sure that's true, about PC players beta testing for console? I believe there is totally different code involved. I wouldn't' think it works that simply.

Not being hostile, just sayin'.

If it was all the same code, we all could be on the same servers.

I answer this question in the main thread post

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Xbox one x will as good as most high end pcs if not better it will render true 4k gaming and 60 fps or better depending how dev choose to use the extra power all you need to do is look at the specs buddy

Don't feed the "PC Master" trolls. And especially don't feed them with advertised specs for the One X. I've always played on console, but I am by no means a fan boy for one platform over the other. Honestly, if the One X delivers 50% of what is actually advertised when its actually in use I will be surprised. The PS4 Pro was supposed to revolutionize gaming, and it never lived up to the performance metrics advertised. The One X is highly unlikely to outperform the PS4 in any appreciable way. I'd love for it to, but to get similar performance on a PC, you would need a graphics card that costs more than the entire console. So they're definitely going cheap on the build somewhere (I see red rings of death in the future). But that's all just speculation. And not the point of this thread anyways.

TLDR: Console players are well aware of the console certification process. The console certification process excuse doesn't even fit, since Gina told us they weren't submitting it ASAP, but sticking it in a scheduled incremental instead. All us console players want is to get emergency patches for completely broken content in a timely fashion. If it costs ZOS money, then oh well. That's what they get for releasing busted content despite being warned.

And I'm not hating on Sony I have a ps4 pro I love the ps4 for the exclusives but the pro was a joke I only got it cuss it was only sale it barley hits 4k and like ark dev said "xbox one x getting ultra pc setting while ps4 pro sadly just can't handle that but they have increased textures"

KingJ · June 2017

Cavedog wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Im editing this a lil since it's gaining a lot of support and i know its long but please read. Since it turns out I am not the only console player tired of ZoS terrible and unacceptable way they handle patches putting the blame all on Sony and micro cert! Every console player here knows it takes no longer then 5-7 days for cert if it's a large patche it is all just ZoS trying to bundle patches together to save money on certification now I understand they can't do weekly patches like they do for pc as cert would prob be a little pricy but hot fixes for major content updates need to happen they need to step up pay for cert for a hot fix and put it live. Also I'm tired of pc players coming in every time we try to complain and say get over it we beta test it for you atleast or just play pc. We are not 2nd class gamers we pay the same we play same.also about the beta testing this is 100% NOT TRUE! we get every single bug you do in every single patch just 2 weeks later then get to wait even longer for a fix. Now back more on topic and to the latest example of this terrible patch management.

Stated in there most recent post about BG que problem console players get to wait till mid to end July for the BG que patch pc is getting if it even fixes it so if it doesn't like every other time they have had a "fix" we get to wait another month or so. I paid 40$ for content that is so broke as in BG the main reason I bought the upgrade. I'm sorry zos you guys need to step up pay for an extra console cert and stopping trying to save money by getting as much into the 1 patch as you can BG needs a fix by time we get it everyone will have moved on. Please ZOS I just want what I paid you for. Console players please it is time to end this and make ZoS answer or atleast respond we are just as much as part of this community as pc players.

The game was designed to be played on PC. Play the game how it was designed to be played and you will be fine.

Consoles are now based on the same architecture as a mid level PC, get with the times.

Since when does "based on" mean equal?......There is no console that even comes close to the horsepower or versatility of a PC. It's true that game consoles are dumbed down, use specific PC's, if that's the point you were trying to make.

Actually most PC which people use are lower spec than consoles.Only the very High end PC are better than most console but for the vast majority of PC user they use PC that are weaker than a console in terms of horse power.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Xbox one x will as good as most high end pcs if not better it will render true 4k gaming and 60 fps or better depending how dev choose to use the extra power all you need to do is look at the specs buddy

Don't feed the "PC Master" trolls. And especially don't feed them with advertised specs for the One X. I've always played on console, but I am by no means a fan boy for one platform over the other. Honestly, if the One X delivers 50% of what is actually advertised when its actually in use I will be surprised. The PS4 Pro was supposed to revolutionize gaming, and it never lived up to the performance metrics advertised. The One X is highly unlikely to outperform the PS4 in any appreciable way. I'd love for it to, but to get similar performance on a PC, you would need a graphics card that costs more than the entire console. So they're definitely going cheap on the build somewhere (I see red rings of death in the future). But that's all just speculation. And not the point of this thread anyways.

TLDR: Console players are well aware of the console certification process. The console certification process excuse doesn't even fit, since Gina told us they weren't submitting it ASAP, but sticking it in a scheduled incremental instead. All us console players want is to get emergency patches for completely broken content in a timely fashion. If it costs ZOS money, then oh well. That's what they get for releasing busted content despite being warned.

Lol it already has they showed it off it it's up to dev to use the extra power but it's deff there

They showed you what they wanted you to see. Its advertising and hype right? PS4 Pro showed us some great 4k footage when they were launching, and it turns out that yeah, you can get it, but the games crash a lot and the consoles overheat. Hell ZOS showed off awesome Battleground footage at twitchcon or whatever right? Look where we are. Don't be fooled by marketing or advertising. I'm not saying the Xbox One X is going to have issues or not live up, I'm saying be careful fanboying for it or hyping it until its actually in the hands of end users.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2017

Well said. Agree wholeheartedly that this should be looked at and addressed. The console support just seems lackluster at best and more devs dragging feet rather than fixing real problems and addressing real issues.

ZOS_Ragnar · June 2017

We have removed some posts that were off-topic and baiting, please keep your comments civil and constructive. This thread is focused on console players expressing their concerns about the game, keep your posts focused on that topic. There is no need to turn this thread into a PC vs Console War.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Well said. Agree wholeheartedly that this should be looked at and addressed. The console support just seems lackluster at best and more devs dragging feet rather than fixing real problems and addressing real issues.

Yes back on topic that what we hope to accomplish here the way the patches are handled for conclave it terrible we just want are content to work in a timely manner not delayed to save them money so they can bundle patches we pay the same amount as pc I purched morrowind to play BG and on console it is still launch patch it's barely playable

Kay1 · June 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Are we sure that's true, about PC players beta testing for console? I believe there is totally different code involved. I wouldn't' think it works that simply.

Not being hostile, just sayin'.

If it was all the same code, we all could be on the same servers.

Shhhhh don't tell them consoles and computers have different coding, I still have some popcorn left while reading this

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Axoinus wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Are we sure that's true, about PC players beta testing for console? I believe there is totally different code involved. I wouldn't' think it works that simply.

Not being hostile, just sayin'.

If it was all the same code, we all could be on the same servers.

Shhhhh don't tell them consoles and computers have different coding, I still have some popcorn left while reading this

Shhhh don't tell them that this comment has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and is also largely wrong. C++ is C++. The primary difference between PC and console has to do with permissions into and out from libraries. Once the main code has been ported (idk, like an established game that has been on all platforms for 3 years), the difference is marginal. So the existence of things such as the Universal Windows Platform, which is a common application platform for EVERY device running Windows 10, kind of invalidates your statement.

Also has nothing to do with the time to receive a patch, which again, is the topic of this thread.

Karivaa · June 2017

I think the whole problem is that Zos tried to reinvent the wheel and come up with a brand new way of doing a server and it didn't work. They should have just done what other games have done. Now, they don't know how to fix it. Heck, the original server developers probably are gone so none of our stuff will get fixed - ever.

Karivaa · June 2017

When I played wow, there were times when they would take their servers offline for 24-48 hours. Yes it was a pain, but when we logged back in, the whole thing was completely fixed. I am sure people would be willing to do this if Zos would fix the entire game. I still don't think they know how to fix their entire game.

Unfadingsilence · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

I like how you say you "find bugs" yet we find game ending bugs so why are ppl on PC dropping the ball when testing the game on the PTS? maybe we should get a PTS since we find more bugs then PC does

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

I like how you say you "find bugs" yet we find game ending bugs so why are ppl on PC dropping the ball when testing the game on the PTS? maybe we should get a PTS since we find more bugs then PC does

He didn't read my post at all in the first post forum post it's self I say that pc does not beta test and all that ppl just don't read they read till they get to something they don't agree with then run and post response

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Karivaa wrote: »

When I played wow, there were times when they would take their servers offline for 24-48 hours. Yes it was a pain, but when we logged back in, the whole thing was completely fixed. I am sure people would be willing to do this if Zos would fix the entire game. I still don't think they know how to fix their entire game.

While I would be totally down for this it still wouldn't solve the problem this thread is about

old_mufasa · June 2017

I have to agree with the op.. as a ex pc eso player that now plays on console I'm tried of being shitted on by Zemimax.. how long did we have to wait for in game chat.. that still missing features that other games have.. like link item + chat in same line with out having to use a mouse keyboard... how long did we have to wait for simple timers.. or addressing issues like the UI memory leak of the buzz lock up that has been there now for 2 years and we can't even get a dev to reply to it.. now the pausing issue with the random looking for group system that's now plaguing the system and still no response to that. Yet all we get are excuses that its sony and xbox delaying the patchs.. when other MMO and even non mmos can get emergency patchs in timely minors.. When Zenimax goes around bragging that there are 10 million ESO accounts with a large amount of those on console... what do console players need to do.. boycott the game to get them to pay attention.. hell we don't have a simple search for traders.. why should they make one.. I mean PC players have 3rd party programmers to do it for them.. while console players are thrown under the bus.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

old_mufasa wrote: »

I have to agree with the op.. as a ex pc eso player that now plays on console I'm tried of being shitted on by Zemimax.. how long did we have to wait for in game chat.. that still missing features that other games have.. like link item + chat in same line with out having to use a mouse keyboard... how long did we have to wait for simple timers.. or addressing issues like the UI memory leak of the buzz lock up that has been there now for 2 years and we can't even get a dev to reply to it.. now the pausing issue with the random looking for group system that's now plaguing the system and still no response to that. Yet all we get are excuses that its sony and xbox delaying the patchs.. when other MMO and even non mmos can get emergency patchs in timely minors.. When Zenimax goes around bragging that there are 10 million ESO accounts with a large amount of those on console... what do console players need to do.. boycott the game to get them to pay attention.. hell we don't have a simple search for traders.. why should they make one.. I mean PC players have 3rd party programmers to do it for them.. while console players are thrown under the bus.

This is something I should mention I think add ons are what hurts us console people a lot cuss zeni looks at is as hey pc just uses add on so we don't need to make these and console bin dealing without since launch so they are fine.

film · June 2017

MFW Gina said Mid-July

Ep1kMalware · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Im editing this a lil since it's gaining a lot of support and i know its long but please read. Since it turns out I am not the only console player tired of ZoS terrible and unacceptable way they handle patches. Putting the blame all on Sony and micro cert! Every console player here knows it takes no longer then 5-7 days for cert if it's a large patch. It is all just ZoS trying to bundle patches together to save money on certification. Now I understand they can't do weekly patches like they do for pc as cert would prob be a little pricy but hot fixes for major content updates need to happen. They need to step up pay for cert for a hot fix and put it live. Also I'm tired of pc players coming in every time we try to complain and say get over it we beta test it for you atleast, or just play pc. We are not 2nd class gamers we pay the same we play same. Also about the beta testing this is 100% NOT TRUE! we get every single bug you do in every single patch just 2 weeks later. Then get to wait even longer for a fix. Now back more on topic and to the latest example of this terrible patch management.

Stated in there most recent post about BG que problem console players get to wait till mid to end July, for the BG que patch pc is getting. If it even fixes it so if it doesn't like every other time they have had a "fix" we get to wait another month or so. I paid 40$ for content that is so broke as in BG the main reason I bought the upgrade. I'm sorry zos you guys need to step up pay for an extra console cert. Stopping trying to save money by getting as much into the 1 patch as you can BG needs a fix by time we get it everyone will have moved on. Please ZOS I just want what I paid you for. Console players please it is time to end this and make ZoS answer or atleast respond we are just as much as part of this community as pc players.

Pc players don't understand what it's like to have a bug that can literally make combat in eso completely impossible, (think 15k dps down from 45 impossible) and expect to have that bug stick for 6 months. Yes, they get bugs too. But they also get fixes.

Azyle1 · June 2017

As a console player on Xbox, I hate to say it but I've almost learned to live with all the issues.

Although I shouldn't.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Azyle1 wrote: »

As a console player on Xbox, I hate to say it but I've almost learned to live with all the issues.

Although I shouldn't.

I know I was to but this is enough. They made us pay 40$ on top of a eso plus fee, and didn't make it dlc apart of eso plus or available threw crowns. Now it does not work and instead of giving a fix witch may not totally fix it, but is still a heck of a lot better then how it is now on console witch is still at day 1 morrowind patch, they are going to hold it for a month to save some money on cert and bundle with the next incremental.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

5k views and still no answer how much traffic does this thread need zos console players want an answer!

disintegr8 · June 2017

The one advantage I get out of receiving updates after PC release is that I know what bugs I need to be prepared for and what fixes I can look forward to. Releasing the updates on PC before console does not mean issues don't reach console, just that we get them at a later date.

I will admit that I like to look at the PC release notes so I know what to expect when things come to console and I am generally aware, through using the forums, of most issues we are likely to face.

Maybe this means that PC users get to be 'guinea pigs' but it definitely does not stop console users from getting the same bugs.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

The one advantage I get out of receiving updates after PC release is that I know what bugs I need to be prepared for and what fixes I can look forward to. Releasing the updates on PC before console does not mean issues don't reach console, just that we get them at a later date.

I will admit that I like to look at the PC release notes so I know what to expect when things come to console and I am generally aware, through using the forums, of most issues we are likely to face.

Maybe this means that PC users get to be 'guinea pigs' but it definitely does not stop console users from getting the same bugs.

Yea we may know what's coming but for some reason every pc owner thinks they beta test for us we get all the bugs and deal with them longer hands down.

MilwaukeeScott · June 2017

Azyle1 wrote: »

As a console player on Xbox, I hate to say it but I've almost learned to live with all the issues.

Although I shouldn't.

A PS4 player agrees.

I've almost learned to live with all the issues.

Although I shouldn't.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

As a console player on Xbox, I hate to say it but I've almost learned to live with all the issues.

Although I shouldn't.

A PS4 player agrees.

I've almost learned to live with all the issues.

Although I shouldn't.

I say Same to you we can't do that any more we need to keep this thread going tI'll we get an answer from zos we pay the same we play the same. 40$ with no eso plus dlc and they get to hold any fix to save money this is not the first time this has happened it always happens pc player think we wait 2 weeks that is only for major dlc release any bug or fix we wait months for! It's unfair and we can't take it anymore!

KingJ · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

The one advantage I get out of receiving updates after PC release is that I know what bugs I need to be prepared for and what fixes I can look forward to. Releasing the updates on PC before console does not mean issues don't reach console, just that we get them at a later date.

I will admit that I like to look at the PC release notes so I know what to expect when things come to console and I am generally aware, through using the forums, of most issues we are likely to face.

Maybe this means that PC users get to be 'guinea pigs' but it definitely does not stop console users from getting the same bugs.

Yea we may know what's coming but for some reason every pc owner thinks they beta test for us we get all the bugs and deal with them longer hands down.

People also forget we get Bugs PC players don't get like,Minor slayer being broken.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Xbox one x will as good as most high end pcs if not better it will render true 4k gaming and 60 fps or better depending how dev choose to use the extra power all you need to do is look at the specs buddy

Don't feed the "PC Master" trolls. And especially don't feed them with advertised specs for the One X. I've always played on console, but I am by no means a fan boy for one platform over the other. Honestly, if the One X delivers 50% of what is actually advertised when its actually in use I will be surprised. The PS4 Pro was supposed to revolutionize gaming, and it never lived up to the performance metrics advertised. The One X is highly unlikely to outperform the PS4 in any appreciable way. I'd love for it to, but to get similar performance on a PC, you would need a graphics card that costs more than the entire console. So they're definitely going cheap on the build somewhere (I see red rings of death in the future). But that's all just speculation. And not the point of this thread anyways.

TLDR: Console players are well aware of the console certification process. The console certification process excuse doesn't even fit, since Gina told us they weren't submitting it ASAP, but sticking it in a scheduled incremental instead. All us console players want is to get emergency patches for completely broken content in a timely fashion. If it costs ZOS money, then oh well. That's what they get for releasing busted content despite being warned.

Lol it already has they showed it off it it's up to dev to use the extra power but it's deff there

XB1X specs are on par with a mid-level gaming PC (GPU is usually the equivalent of an X60 Nvidia card). Consoles always release as mid-end gaming PCs. The XB1X is no different (most games will still be running at 30 fps). The cost to create an actual "high end" console would be enormous. Console manufacturers use cheap hardware and then game devs optimize games to squeeze out every last drop of performance from the hardware.