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Pretty excited about super aggressive warhorns
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✭✭✭IronCrystal wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »Automated Defense/War Machine
Going to be ridiculous with major slayer and aegis on there, only useful in 4 mans but will definitely increase tank utility in small groups.
That and I can spam deathstroke to keep it up indefinitely.
Only useful in small groups...LOL.
Well I guess since you think Roar of Alkosh is a useless set for tanks and believe tanks should be snowflakes and run Lightning WoE for some reason I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
out of curiosity how would you determine it's usefulness?
The sets from HoF?
Depends on how they work, if they refresh the buff on the same characters, does it work like with vigor and PA and hits characters that doesn't have the buff etc (sadly haven't played around with it yet, since I don't play on pc)
But the damage is insanely strong, and will surely be used in some way, in organized teams.
Yes from HoF.
The set only buffs two players at a time. So unless half the team is wearing these sets. I don't see how it would be a relevant set to use as opposed to existing tank sets. Or for healers and DpS to use their varients from the trial with better individual buffing going on
The ones granting Major Slayer is not for tanks, but for DDs, since it also grants Minor Slayer, and can efficiently replace IA/MD.
But why replace those? We only get 1 5 piece set, 2 piece monster set, and the optional 4 or 2 piece set depending if you have Maelstrom weapons.
I don't see anyone getting rid of BSW ir Necro for a ultimate buff once every 40 seconds or so
Nope, there is a lot new interesting options and builds next patch
Sorry I meant 3 piece with optional maelstrom weapons.
Anyways, yeah I've seen all the new sets, the NDA partial lift revealed the new sets being released in the public test server. I still don't see any reason to replace the usual
5 BSW/Necro
2 Grothdar/lambris
3 piece Infallible/Moondancer
Maelstrom staves front and back bar
Or If no maelstrom weapons the 4 piece infallible or moondancer
VMA on front bar hasn't been BiS since it came out, unless some specific builds for VMA etc. A sharpened IA/MD is BiS most of the times.
What I'm saying is, a lot of the current builds (Homestead) will change next patch (Vvardenfell), and it opens up some nice new options.
Magicka DK uses vMA inferno on front bar because blockade of elements is on the front bar.
Yes I know, that's why I said "unless some specific builds for VMA etc", pretty much the only thing to use WoE on front is mDK and mNBs (in VMA).
Magicka DK having WoE on front bar is not a vMA build. That's the standard trial build (and can be used for dungeons too obv).
I think he means magDKs in general and magNBs in vMA.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭IronCrystal wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »Automated Defense/War Machine
Going to be ridiculous with major slayer and aegis on there, only useful in 4 mans but will definitely increase tank utility in small groups.
That and I can spam deathstroke to keep it up indefinitely.
Only useful in small groups...LOL.
Well I guess since you think Roar of Alkosh is a useless set for tanks and believe tanks should be snowflakes and run Lightning WoE for some reason I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
out of curiosity how would you determine it's usefulness?
The sets from HoF?
Depends on how they work, if they refresh the buff on the same characters, does it work like with vigor and PA and hits characters that doesn't have the buff etc (sadly haven't played around with it yet, since I don't play on pc)
But the damage is insanely strong, and will surely be used in some way, in organized teams.
Yes from HoF.
The set only buffs two players at a time. So unless half the team is wearing these sets. I don't see how it would be a relevant set to use as opposed to existing tank sets. Or for healers and DpS to use their varients from the trial with better individual buffing going on
The ones granting Major Slayer is not for tanks, but for DDs, since it also grants Minor Slayer, and can efficiently replace IA/MD.
But why replace those? We only get 1 5 piece set, 2 piece monster set, and the optional 4 or 2 piece set depending if you have Maelstrom weapons.
I don't see anyone getting rid of BSW ir Necro for a ultimate buff once every 40 seconds or so
Nope, there is a lot new interesting options and builds next patch
Sorry I meant 3 piece with optional maelstrom weapons.
Anyways, yeah I've seen all the new sets, the NDA partial lift revealed the new sets being released in the public test server. I still don't see any reason to replace the usual
5 BSW/Necro
2 Grothdar/lambris
3 piece Infallible/Moondancer
Maelstrom staves front and back bar
Or If no maelstrom weapons the 4 piece infallible or moondancer
VMA on front bar hasn't been BiS since it came out, unless some specific builds for VMA etc. A sharpened IA/MD is BiS most of the times.
What I'm saying is, a lot of the current builds (Homestead) will change next patch (Vvardenfell), and it opens up some nice new options.
Magicka DK uses vMA inferno on front bar because blockade of elements is on the front bar.
Yes I know, that's why I said "unless some specific builds for VMA etc", pretty much the only thing to use WoE on front is mDK and mNBs (in VMA).
Magicka DK having WoE on front bar is not a vMA build. That's the standard trial build (and can be used for dungeons too obv).
I don't even run it on front bar for my dk, that spell damage enchant is way too op.
Edit: Unless I was not using a vma staff.Edited by DjMuscleboy02 on 4 May 2017 18:54Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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✭IronCrystal wrote: »IronCrystal wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »Automated Defense/War Machine
Going to be ridiculous with major slayer and aegis on there, only useful in 4 mans but will definitely increase tank utility in small groups.
That and I can spam deathstroke to keep it up indefinitely.
Only useful in small groups...LOL.
Well I guess since you think Roar of Alkosh is a useless set for tanks and believe tanks should be snowflakes and run Lightning WoE for some reason I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
out of curiosity how would you determine it's usefulness?
The sets from HoF?
Depends on how they work, if they refresh the buff on the same characters, does it work like with vigor and PA and hits characters that doesn't have the buff etc (sadly haven't played around with it yet, since I don't play on pc)
But the damage is insanely strong, and will surely be used in some way, in organized teams.
Yes from HoF.
The set only buffs two players at a time. So unless half the team is wearing these sets. I don't see how it would be a relevant set to use as opposed to existing tank sets. Or for healers and DpS to use their varients from the trial with better individual buffing going on
The ones granting Major Slayer is not for tanks, but for DDs, since it also grants Minor Slayer, and can efficiently replace IA/MD.
But why replace those? We only get 1 5 piece set, 2 piece monster set, and the optional 4 or 2 piece set depending if you have Maelstrom weapons.
I don't see anyone getting rid of BSW ir Necro for a ultimate buff once every 40 seconds or so
Nope, there is a lot new interesting options and builds next patch
Sorry I meant 3 piece with optional maelstrom weapons.
Anyways, yeah I've seen all the new sets, the NDA partial lift revealed the new sets being released in the public test server. I still don't see any reason to replace the usual
5 BSW/Necro
2 Grothdar/lambris
3 piece Infallible/Moondancer
Maelstrom staves front and back bar
Or If no maelstrom weapons the 4 piece infallible or moondancer
VMA on front bar hasn't been BiS since it came out, unless some specific builds for VMA etc. A sharpened IA/MD is BiS most of the times.
What I'm saying is, a lot of the current builds (Homestead) will change next patch (Vvardenfell), and it opens up some nice new options.
Magicka DK uses vMA inferno on front bar because blockade of elements is on the front bar.
Yes I know, that's why I said "unless some specific builds for VMA etc", pretty much the only thing to use WoE on front is mDK and mNBs (in VMA).
Magicka DK having WoE on front bar is not a vMA build. That's the standard trial build (and can be used for dungeons too obv).
VMA etc, maybe worded clumsy but I obviously meant for some few builds (mDK) and some scenarios (mNB VMA).
I was not saying it's for a mDK in VMA.
Then we agree. It sounded like you meant mDK in vMA.Make PC NA raiding great again!
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✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »Automated Defense/War Machine
Going to be ridiculous with major slayer and aegis on there, only useful in 4 mans but will definitely increase tank utility in small groups.
That and I can spam deathstroke to keep it up indefinitely.
Only useful in small groups...LOL.
Well I guess since you think Roar of Alkosh is a useless set for tanks and believe tanks should be snowflakes and run Lightning WoE for some reason I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
It only affects you and the 2 closest people, I'm sure someone like you might think that helps a dozen people but it doesn't.
Because only one person can wear the set?
If you have a good team and good coordination, it will be very good.
But with those special snowflake builds and pugs I guess you don't see the value and power in the new sets.
Yeah I don't see the value in it, that's why I posted about how it will be awesome. Great logic. I'm thinking about what my character can bring to a group, not "how can I micromanage other people".
You stated that they only will be useful in small groups, which is completely wrong.
Please explain how this helps more than 2 other people without having complete control over group composition.
The HoF sets are specifically designed with that target effect limit to create an incentive to spread the sets across the whole group so the buff is trial wide. It promotes a certain level of coordination with an equally beneficial pay off more than we currently have in end game hm trials.
They are absolutely beneficial to trial groups moreso than 4 man content. You fail to understand how these sets are designed. When used properly, the net damage increase across the entire trial group, is increased substantially . As a matter of fact if the sets are left as is, I would argue they will be BIS for hm trials based on what has been seen in beta so far.
You say "without complete control over group composition"... these sets are intended for end game trials where that level of control and organisation is the norm.Edited by exeeter702 on 4 May 2017 19:051