Kneighbors wrote: »

So right now there are already many indications to it that ESO is loosing players fast and amount of new players is minimal.

where exactly are you getting this information? are you subscribed to @FENGRUSH ? because he loves to advocate this stuff. Judging from your poll results, you are misguided and you are spreading false information that you really have no hard data or insight into other than your own opinionated observations.

hmmm, also just like the person i linked.

Not dieing ..was in the Gold Coast yesterday to do world boss dailies. .they were down and dead in about 15 seconds. My frame rate I don't think went above 30..it was a freaking zoo.

The people that are experiencing a downswing are the people that see their money-gains going down. This is intended by ZoS to even out the economy before Morrowind. Everyone is waiting for the release.

It might depend on which server you're on, but I actually see people complaining that there are too many people around!

I find it a bit tricky to judge because One Tamriel made a big difference - before you could only ever play with 1/3 of the people on your server (outside of dungeons), now you can meet any of them but even allowing for that I don't think the population has dropped noticeably since the game went Buy-to-Play.

I started exactly a month before that (on purpose, got to use my free month) and there were definitely a lot fewer people around back then, it was a massive change from what I remembered during the betas, but once they dropped the sub it changed dramatically - suddenly there were people everywhere. I think a lot of it was previous players returning to see what the game was like now, but it also attracted people like me who felt the subscription model didn't suit them.

One thing to consider is the buy-to-play model does make it easier to take breaks from the game. Because you're not paying for months in which you're allowed to play you don't need to commit to playing for a month (or 3 or 6). But on the other hand it also makes it easier to come back. A lot of the people who logged in for the first time in ages after the B2P switch probably weren't intending to come back long-term and wouldn't have been willing to commit to playing for a month, they just wanted to log in once to see what the game was like now. But some of them will have found they liked what they saw and decided to stick around, where they wouldn't even have looked before.

Also, I don't know if anyone else has found this but One Tamriel has made me much more aware of other players. Before I could solo pretty much any world boss, or even public dungeon boss (because I was permanently over-level for the zone I was in), so I didn't really think about whether I was alone or not. Now most of them are too difficult for me to take solo so I'm always looking around for other people, and it usually doesn't take more than a few minutes for some other people to come along, if they're not there already.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I can go into the most remote areas and still run into other players. I can remember those same areas being completely empty.

Agreed. What a lot of people think is "decline" is still significantly higher than what we had at this time in 2016. Even using the Steam data, there was an average of 7,430 players in March 2017. Compare that to 2,425 in March 2016. That is a significant increase. Significant.

Compare the 25% decrease in average players between December 2016 and March 2017 to the 3X population increase from 2016 to 2017.

Horribly biased poll aside; everything I see on the Xbox One NA server says that there's no "downswing" in any way. Players are everywhere, Zones are packed, and my character couldn't spit without hitting someone else.

If anything, the game is more popular than ever. Even major game magazines and MMO-focused magazines are describing ESO as one of the "major" MMORPG's on the market, and routinely compare it positively with the largest MMO's in the history of the genre.

Whether or not a person agrees with those comparisons is moot, it's still happening.

ESO is a very popular, and populated, MMORPG, OP; just because YOU might be unhappy with it, doesn't mean it's on a "downswing".

Everything I see is the opposite.. the game as a whole is growing, and so is the playerbase.

The only thing I do see is the same in every DLC cycle... there is a slight dip in player activity in the few weeks up to a new patch. Basically where some people burn out slightly and slow down a bit until the new content comes along.

All zones are far more active than they once were; Now I'm certain that one tamriel changes had a lot to do with that, but not entirely.

There was a point, maybe a year ago... that every "leveling" zone was a ghost town. Currently, there is always someone about and with the big dolmen farming groups and boss killing groups it seems every zone is active.

Pvp dropped off a little, but it certainly isn't dead. You still see 3 bars poplocked at prime times.

If morrowind is a hit and brings a nice influx of new players and old back, it will be solid again.

All mmo's have a drop off between content releases. People play new games, but many a game that people switch to do not have true replayability. So, every player giving "for honor" a try or Mass Effect Andromeda a try... there will be many who moved to them from eso coming back.

Even wow always had big dropoffs during an expansion and toward the end of it.

Defilted wrote: »

Pc player population is very low. Xbox you cannot find a place in the server without people in it.

I would expect PC player population to be very low on the XBox.

Rickter wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

So right now there are already many indications to it that ESO is loosing players fast and amount of new players is minimal.

where exactly are you getting this information? are you subscribed to @FENGRUSH ? because he loves to advocate this stuff. Judging from your poll results, you are misguided and you are spreading false information that you really have no hard data or insight into other than your own opinionated observations.

hmmm, also just like the person i linked.

Pretty sure the OP is talking about the general population - which has likely done pretty well over the last year and change. Theyve done a good job on a lot of the expansions and features added for the majority of the population (PVE). PvP is a smaller community, and that one hasnt done well. Seems youre taking my point on that and ironically spreading false information in a post you told someone about spreading false information.

Just cause you dont like me doesnt mean you have to make stuff up.

Perspective.....from an original player is different than players who've come in the last year or even after Tamriel Unlimited.

There are a lot of good changes however the bugs and unfinished or what some describe as lazy development and the cash grab is what turns others off


In short the population has drastically changed so ppl who are accustomed to any F2P models seem to not mind this new focus and other than the bugs, many would argue that the game isn't going through a downswing.

(Looks at the 150 friends who haven't logged on in over 6 months)

MissBizz wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Perspective.....from an original player is different than players who've come in the last year or even after Tamriel Unlimited.

There are a lot of good changes however the bugs and unfinished or what some describe as lazy development and the cash grab is what turns others off


In short the population has drastically changed so ppl who are accustomed to any F2P models seem to not mind this new focus and other than the bugs, many would argue that the game isn't going through a downswing.

(Looks at the 150 friends who haven't logged on in over 6 months)

.... you're allowed more than 100 friends on console? Guessing since it's tied to your console friends?

We're only allowed 100 on PC I'm pretty sure.

@MissBizz I only know the Xbox perspective, but Xbox LIVE allows you to have 1000+ friends on your Friend's List, and has a helpful dashboard tool that lets you know who's online and what they're playing at any given time.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

So right now there are already many indications to it that ESO is loosing players fast and amount of new players is minimal.

where exactly are you getting this information? are you subscribed to @FENGRUSH ? because he loves to advocate this stuff. Judging from your poll results, you are misguided and you are spreading false information that you really have no hard data or insight into other than your own opinionated observations.

hmmm, also just like the person i linked.

Pretty sure the OP is talking about the general population - which has likely done pretty well over the last year and change. Theyve done a good job on a lot of the expansions and features added for the majority of the population (PVE). PvP is a smaller community, and that one hasnt done well. Seems youre taking my point on that and ironically spreading false information in a post you told someone about spreading false information.

Just cause you dont like me doesnt mean you have to make stuff up.

I personally don't get the "bash well known players" bit. I'm semi-hardcore PvE and casual PvP. I know that you are hardcore PvP and I can see your frustrations. I may not agree with everything you say, but think everyone is entitled to their own opinion . I think you are right that PvE is growing and has had some pretty good additions lately, while PvP seems like the same thing every time I jump into Cyrodiil.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

(Looks at the 150 friends who haven't logged on in over 6 months)

You should look at my Overwatch friendlist.

Number of players online in my trade guilds went down, but IMHO it is the usual wave between updates. ESO doing good job with event giving chance all new players to catch up in XP, motifs and gold with elders, so I think they plan Morrowind equally smart.