no punishment for outposts flipping

  • Fallewarrior
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    texassob wrote: »
    Valencer wrote: »
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    Br1ckst0n wrote: »
    @Blobsky here you go buddy

    Heart Blob used flipping to finish off his grand overlord title.

    My entire time at bleakers was spent killing the flippers, organising multiple raids to stop the events and reporting players - feel free to actually check my livestream some time to see the previous broadcasts including these videos, I live stream 90% of my online playtime

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    Nice thing about playing AP police is that you get to operate within tick range while feeling good about it...

    someones salty as usual haters gonna hate

    Lol what are you? His bodyguard? He exactly did as what was said. Maximum profit from operating within tick range. I dont care tbh, but its true..
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  • Joy_Division
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    Hi everyone,

    We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

    Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:
    • PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
    • PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
    • PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
    • Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
    • Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts
    Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

    Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

    I appreciate the time and effort you took to get who you felt were the most abusive rather than just take a broad brush and punished anyone who had questionable gains. A lot of players are saying "Hey, what about NA Blackboot Mine?" but the AP exploitation on NA was not nearly as long, as prevalent, as organized, as deliberate, and systematic from what I seen on some videos. I know it happened, but I would have much preferred ZoS make sure to get the people that absolutely did exploit and that was the approach they took. If there is something just about all codes of jurisprudence follow, is that it is far more preferable to let a guilty person go free than to punish an innocent. I'm not sure all the people who are bemoaning "that's it" or "what about NA PC exploiters?" are keeping that principle in mind.

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  • Elsonso
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    Rickter wrote: »
    These guys got a three day ban.

    Why werent their AvA ranks removed? seriously this was weak sauce. Every single one of them knew this was breaking the ToS and their punishment wasa measly slap on the wrist?

    Some of them got a three day suspension. Some of them got a permanent ban. The latter, in cases where they had priors with the ToS people. No one knows what the split was.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961190/#Comment_3961190

    "If this was their first offense, they got a three-day suspension and lose all their AP as a warning. If they do it again, it'll be a ban. Some who had previous TOS violations were permanently banned."

    So, for those who got suspended, it is a second chance to not exploit the game in the future. A good portion of them will do it anyway. For them, a permanent ban is in their future. It is just a matter of time.

    Those who do get the lesson, and intend to keep that halo polished, have a big target on their back. The next significant ToS violation they get caught for is a permanent ban. I expect that these suspension "strikes" don't time out. They could go three years without a problem and one time, just one time, they mess up in something they whisper to another player, and poof, years of playing the game gone, and not just Ranks. Years of DLC, Chapters, costumes, houses, achievements, and mounts. If they came from Subscription ESO, a year of loyalty rewards. If they were in the beta, the beta rewards.

    So, yeah, they get off "easy" today, but if they intend to stick around for a while, they have to be extra careful what they do.

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  • Satiar
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    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.
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  • OrphanHelgen
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    Hi everyone,

    We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

    Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:
    • PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
    • PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
    • PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
    • Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
    • Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts
    Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

    Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Just wanted to say, huge respect ! I'm gonna buy a bundle of 15 crown crates as a support for this decision right now. Well done !
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Satiar wrote: »
    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.

    I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .
  • Rex-Umbra
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    Good job ZOS.
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  • prootch
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    Just lmao :dizzy:
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    Now, I'm going to sleep with a big smile <3
  • adeptusminor
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    As a new player--I've only had my account for ~1 month--things like this make me confident and happy that I bought my 6 month subscription. Keep up the good work guys and gals.
  • Paraflex
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    I think the best part is if you exploited the banker survey months ago plus exploited AP Boosting you got a perma ban...strike one if you only AP boosted and I hope they are fearful on the next exploit because I'd bet these people will exploit in the future who got banned today.

    We all know it's a matter of time for another exploit I hope these people have harsher punishments.
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  • Ackwalan
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    While I applaud the action ZOS is taking, their past mass bans have been less then effective. Need I remind people of the past 'cheat engine' bans that only turned into suspensions, with 'cheat engine; still being used.
  • JDC1985
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    They actually banned this many people for something so tedious but they ignore all the 100s of ce users that openly flew around cyro dropping meators like Zeus. This is pathetic they actually lifted most if not all ce users bans.
  • visionality
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    Good news and good communication about it, too. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom - job well done.

    For the future it would be great if Zenimax would take a stand early on when an abuse of game mechanics becomes public. For way too long you gave the impression that Zenimax not only tolerated AP leeching but even supported it by restricting public criticism.
  • SienneYviete
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    Get rekt!
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  • Minalan
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    Satiar wrote: »
    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.

    I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .

    Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst. :lol:

    There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.

    On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.
  • alephthiago
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Satiar wrote: »
    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.

    I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .

    Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst. :lol:

    There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.

    On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.

    Well, i did run with my guild all days of that week and EVERY big guild i know about did the same thing in TF:
    -Fight.
    -Flip keeps were there was less resistance.
    -Flip keeps with some resistance.
    -Open field GvG skirmishes (those were awesome).
    -Farm noobs in the bridge (and eventually get farmed too).
    -Go easy on defenses, since they were giving little ap.
    -Wait for groups to flip keeps and then surprise bomb the flags.

    I know very few that truly hate the players of other factions but in general we kept the right balance between good AP and being competitive, after all good guilds in TF are very proud and wouldnt settle for being quiet and waiting our turn to flip flags mindlessly...
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  • RavenRoxie
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    No punishment for PC/NA?.......................

    Really?.........................................

    Okay.

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  • silky_soft
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    Yea well cheat engine is still being used with people make new accounts. So yea what's the point, you haven't even deleted their rank. Those who sold motifs get no punishment from loss of AP since they spent it already.

    Just name and shame, get over the reluctance to.
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  • Telel
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    Next up. Bans for queue cloggers, and bridge bait. Please?

    Make it happen and Telel will reward the executioners with a comment on some nameless khajiits's unwatched Twitch stream.
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Satiar wrote: »
    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.

    I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .

    Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst. :lol:

    There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.

    On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.

    Wow , that sounds grand . I wish I could transfer a toon EU . I have to temporarily ignore a lot of zone chat while people fight it out with each other . Then I have to un ignore on Mondays because some our nice people to me but rant on weekends and I can't read Cyrodiil related news in the zone feed . Some get mad when they find out I put them on ignore so I could read the fights . They don't know it's just temporary . So it's an exercise in politeness all the time explaining myself . If people would fight via PM it would make my PVP time so much easier but .. Some like an audience . That would be so weird not seeing so many arguments . I would enjoy it .
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  • Minalan
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Satiar wrote: »
    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.

    I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .

    Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst. :lol:

    There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.

    On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.

    Wow , that sounds grand . I wish I could transfer a toon EU . I have to temporarily ignore a lot of zone chat while people fight it out with each other . Then I have to un ignore on Mondays because some our nice people to me but rant on weekends and I can't read Cyrodiil related news in the zone feed . Some get mad when they find out I put them on ignore so I could read the fights . They don't know it's just temporary . So it's an exercise in politeness all the time explaining myself . If people would fight via PM it would make my PVP time so much easier but .. Some like an audience . That would be so weird not seeing so many arguments . I would enjoy it .

    I've never been on EU, this is just what I hear from @Derra

  • SHADOW2KK
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    Harr harr, good on you ZoS :D
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  • AbraXuSeXile
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    Its good action was taken but when everyone was begging for an answer on if its allowed or not and totally ignored it. Then 1 month later its like oh yeah remember when you farrmed AP? It was bad take your ban lol.


    At least communicate with people at the time its going on.
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  • AllPlayAndNoWork
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    I didn't farm any AP myself at all BUT to know what was going on (no one was hiding the fact it was going on) and say nothing about it makes ZoS kinda complicit in all of this TBH. It should have never gotten this far.... period. ZoS must have had devs in game watching all this, even if to just to see how things were progressing during that week, then for them to do nothing at all about it is kind of pathetic. It also kinda sucks that a month later the ban hammer comes out and smites a load of people for actions that were never condemned in the first place.

    Some balls were needed to be grown during the week that it happened and some proper leadership shown, but again ZoS were slow to fix things when they were needed to be fixed. Thats nothing new.
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    Good about time these cheaters got punished. Hope you keep this up on other exploits as well. Good job ZoS.
  • prootch
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    Its good action was taken but when everyone was begging for an answer on if its allowed or not and totally ignored it. Then 1 month later its like oh yeah remember when you farrmed AP? It was bad take your ban lol.
    At least communicate with people at the time its going on.

    Now Abrax, they already had punished people abusing roe mine ressource ap bug, in the end it's nothing to be surprised about.
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    This is a joke. They took that long and 3 day bans and loss of AP? What about the gold they made from the AP. This is a slap on the wrist. And why no one takes cheating serious. Thanks for the laugh
  • Derra
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Minalan wrote: »
    Satiar wrote: »
    Ha, knew it. PC NA contains too much hate for coordinated farming of this nature.

    I don't think it is hate . There are a lot of cross faction friends on PC NA . I just think we prefer to fight for AP . Some people hate other just for faction but they are a few rice crispys short of a marshmallow treat . The rest enjoy competition when it's some what fair .

    Nope. Compared to EU, NA is a toxic community full of sociopaths. So congrats guys, on being the worst. :lol:

    There's no way any of the NA gankers would allow any kind of cross faction cooperation. There would be so much death. And tea bagging.

    On EU, people who act like jerks are ostracized from their community. And it works for them.

    Wow , that sounds grand . I wish I could transfer a toon EU . I have to temporarily ignore a lot of zone chat while people fight it out with each other . Then I have to un ignore on Mondays because some our nice people to me but rant on weekends and I can't read Cyrodiil related news in the zone feed . Some get mad when they find out I put them on ignore so I could read the fights . They don't know it's just temporary . So it's an exercise in politeness all the time explaining myself . If people would fight via PM it would make my PVP time so much easier but .. Some like an audience . That would be so weird not seeing so many arguments . I would enjoy it .

    I've never been on EU, this is just what I hear from @Derra

    Not true for everyone ofc.

    But atleast the people i play with try to create an environment where everyone is treated as a person who is trying to enjoy their freetime in a game.
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