Vigor, Caltrops, & War Horn

AcadianPaladin · March 2017

My healer and sorc have never cared about the Alliance skills and never bothered. I'm toying with a DK tank though and it seems vigor is about the only reasonable option for a decent self-heal. Is there a good option from a non-Alliance skill line instead of vigor?

DRXHarbinger · March 2017

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

My healer and sorc have never cared about the Alliance skills and never bothered. I'm toying with a DK tank though and it seems vigor is about the only reasonable option for a decent self-heal. Is there a good option from a non-Alliance skill line instead of vigor?

Na echoing vigor is too good. Pop igneous and hardens armor and the heal is stupidly good. Heals as good as resolving vigor but has 3x the radius.

Micah_Bayer · March 2017

@GreenhaloX I am just going off what you said, you are forced to go into pvp to gain skills, well PVPers have to do the exact same thing to get a multitude of items for pvp. Plus there is a difference between pvp players and pve, I hate pve, I hate being in it, I hate grinding to get what I want yet you want reprieve for leveling two skills in pvp. Give me a break, my good man.

MakeMeUhSamich · March 2017

raj72616a wrote: »

think of it like a festival event. it's hectic and funny.

we pvers do not care whether or not our alliance win in cyrodiil anyway.

go watch dozens and dozens of zergs clash with each others and see them die like flies despise your non stop healing. watch ppl futily try to lead the zergs to attak with strategy, only for them to disband and go after whatever they fancy.

sometimes you might get a small group to make down a keep with just two or three persons when the main forces are busy. it's pure pve when the enemy alliances are not coming.

if you get killed, you dont lose rank you dont lose gold you dont lose nothing. just keep going at it again. you can just surf with the zerg, make no contribution, and still earn tons of AP.

remember to spend the AP on buying some pretty flags and banners of your alliance after you're done with the skills and leave cyrodiil, and put them in your house as souvenir from the festival.

Hahaha! I like this perspective!

t3hdubzy · March 2017

Why is this thread still ongoing. I got vigor on my lowbie while at level 15 and had it unlocked within 90 minutes doing pvp in the sewers.

That time would be cut in half if i waited until I was at cp level or if i did quest or captured keeps and resources.

Please close this thread.

Rickter · March 2017

Vigor and Caltrops integrated with PvE is a meta. Dont blame the devs for the difficulty of acquisition. ZOS never told you you had to have those skills for PvE - the players do. its a meta. suck it up and dont blame ZOS. That being said, Warhorn really should be the Undaunted Ultimate

jircris11 · March 2017

DreamClown wrote: »

Could someone explain the logic behind making these skills obtainable ONLY from PVP? I'm seriously dreading the AP grind (yet again) for one of my PVE characters.

sadly i had to run pvp on my nb to unlock vigor. very hard to compete in pvp even the non CP ones without vigor as a stamblade. and besides it is a bit too stressful for me. so once i got it i got the hell out lol. Personally i dislike how game devs force you to pvp, and to those pvpers who dislike "pve" then you are playing the WRONG type of mmo lol. ESO is mainly a pvve focused game. It does not help that pvp lags like a hell at times.

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

DreamClown wrote: »

Could someone explain the logic behind making these skills obtainable ONLY from PVP? I'm seriously dreading the AP grind (yet again) for one of my PVE characters.

sadly i had to run pvp on my nb to unlock vigor. very hard to compete in pvp even the non CP ones without vigor as a stamblade. and besides it is a bit too stressful for me. so once i got it i got the hell out lol. Personally i dislike how game devs force you to pvp, and to those pvpers who dislike "pve" then you are playing the WRONG type of mmo lol. ESO is mainly a pvve focused game. It does not help that pvp lags like a hell at times.

Veli + Clever Alchemist + Spriggan. Alchemist bow back bar, 2H Spriggan front bar. Mark the targets with Reaper's Mark before executing them. That's how I got vigor for my stamblade.

KingJ · March 2017

Asardes wrote: »

I actually dislike some of the recent AP gain changes they made, because it dumbed down PvP even more. During the event I tried to PvP a bit - I don't dislike it the slightest, but I simply had other priorities - only to find out that the queue was huge and once in to get near Bleakers and have the game simply time me out and throw me out of Cyrodiil, at the beginning of an 100+ queue again. Only to find out later by inquiring on guild chats that people were just flipping that outpost back and forth, without actually fighting. Such a colossal waste of time and an exploit IMO. AP should be awarded for actually fighting other people and doing useful stuff. AP for flipping empty resources and keeps should be cut to where it was before Homestead. That aspect of the scoring system encourages brainless, annoying gameplay like that. And I bet ZoS changed it in the current update specifically to please whiners that come on forum sobbing that they can't get those skills fast enough.

TL:DR AP gain should primarily come from killing or healing players, repairing an occupied keep, preferably during a siege and successfully defending or taking such a keep. Empty keeps and resources should not earn any AP whatsoever.

QFT

t3hdubzy · March 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

DreamClown wrote: »

Could someone explain the logic behind making these skills obtainable ONLY from PVP? I'm seriously dreading the AP grind (yet again) for one of my PVE characters.

sadly i had to run pvp on my nb to unlock vigor. very hard to compete in pvp even the non CP ones without vigor as a stamblade. and besides it is a bit too stressful for me. so once i got it i got the hell out lol. Personally i dislike how game devs force you to pvp, and to those pvpers who dislike "pve" then you are playing the WRONG type of mmo lol. ESO is mainly a pvve focused game. It does not help that pvp lags like a hell at times.

I rarely run a heal on my nightblades other than rally. All you need to do is sit stealth between 2 keeps and take out low health targets riding horse back.

That is if you want to pvp. You could alternatively do a lot of pve quest in dead campaigns or support stuff such as repairs, healing with resto or a lot of other work around. It will take a bit longer but no longer than farming a trial for jewlery pieces.

Wifeaggro13 · March 2017

DreamClown wrote: »

Could someone explain the logic behind making these skills obtainable ONLY from PVP? I'm seriously dreading the AP grind (yet again) for one of my PVE characters.

lol yep , ESO design is so convoluted and backwards , ESO symbol is perfect representation of its post development process. Serpent eating its tail does not get any better then that.

React · March 2017

I took my brand new character with no impen gear, no mundus, almost no passives, who had just reached CP (i'm maxed) into cyrodill to get assault up to 5. In 2 hours I made 112k AP. I don't know whats up with people saying it takes a weekend or days to complete this. All you need to do is:

Cap resources solo or with another person. Doesn't matter if you die, you can just choose any keep to continue capping resources at.

Follow the zerg. Spam healing near DD players if you've got it, otherwise siege and be there for offensive ticks when flipping keeps. Use the AP you gain to purchase repair materials to earn more AP.

If you're really good, you can try killing players. Definitely the fastest AP gain on an experienced player, however for most people this is unrealistic on a build they just finished leveling and only need the skills for PvE.