Lacking General Cooperation in PvP

Maole1989 · February 2017

Sounds like you got a raw deal. I think it's admirable you tried to help out a fellow Pact soldier. Even if you did get ganked, it's the thought that counts. I'm sure the other guy appreciated your effort. It's unusual no one helped out though. I play NA PS4 on Haderus/Scourge and I haven't seen this before. Usually a lone AD/DC player is the Pact call to arms. Perhaps that group was talking in their voice chat, waiting for their AP tick, or thought you could handle it.

I usually run in a small 3-4 man group but if any one of us were there we would of helped out. Even if there was a green zerg and 0 chance of survival. We're also team players and our motto is "Every man(woman) counts." Doesn't matter whether you're a Grand Overlord or Volunteer. I'm sure we've all been in the position where we die only to see Pact soldiers crouching behind trees in stealth when they could of made a difference. Not that this was the case but some people think Cyrodiil is the Matrix and dying in the game means death IRL.

Don't listen to the negative comments. If we're honest the Pact needs more soldiers like you, not the wayshrine warriors spamming chat with how they would rek someone 1v1 because they're salty they got killed by more than one enemy. This is Cyrodiil - anything can happen and not everyone is built for 'mad deeps'. Take that 1v1 mentality back to the closest PVE wayshrine. Criticism is only good if it's constructive. Let's train up the next intake of Pact recruits and not cause them to defect to AD/DC cause let's be honest, sometimes it's straight green in Cyrodiil.

PVP is not for the faint of heart and can be daunting on players new to Cyrodiil. Usually it takes a lot of trips to the wayshrine, build-tweaking, and general experience before one becomes formidable in Cyrodiil. There is some solid advice here among the flames though. As someone mentioned, join a guild that does PVP or just ask if any pug groups are running when you enter Cyrodiil. That way you know people have your back.

NOTE: If you're a new healer in Cyrodiil, run Reactive and whatever other sets you like. Malubeth and Transmutation are usually run with Reactive but isn't a must. Some call this 'cheese' but that's just because it's so effective on a magplar . Running 5 heavy impen is also recommended since being a healer is like popping WW. As soon as people see you waving your hands around they'll swarm you like flies on fresh guar dung.

We all start somewhere and unfortunately it's the bottom until we work our way up. Some people tend to forget this and a quick to say L2P, get gud, without providing any constructive criticism or advice. In saying that there are a lot of good, helpful and team players out there. Keep at it and who knows you could be the next Emperor.

For the Pact!!!

runningtings · February 2017

I think your problem might be that you play Xbox.
All us grown ups have PCs...

In all seriousness, I never struggle for a res if there are other DC around and I always try to res anyone near me if possible.

If someone is in a 1v1 I take a moment to assess whether they need my help or not, wouldn't want to rush in and steal the KB unless they are struggling, I have learned this is not cool.

Minno · February 2017

SaRuZ wrote: »

Come over to the Blues, where we rez you.

DC doesn't zerg, we large group play

DC is ready for Battlegrounds lol

ArchMikem · February 2017

runningtings wrote: »

If someone is in a 1v1 I take a moment to assess whether they need my help or not, wouldn't want to rush in and steal the KB unless they are struggling, I have learned this is not cool.

I personally don't see where that comes from. ESO PvP is supposed to be capture the Keeps and Scrolls. I'd be glad you showed up to aid me if I was caught alone, but then if I'm caught alone usually it ends with a Nightblade landing four separate hits on me at the same time.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · February 2017

I never help a person who is 1v1ing.

A) more than once I have received a tell saying "wtf man we were dueling! " why are they dueling in such a conspicuous place I don't know.

I wouldn't want anyone to interfere with me 1v1ing.

Get in a group if you want help. Especially one using discord or teamspeak.

Joy_Division · February 2017

@ArchMikem -

As you can tell by this thread, there are about as many opinions of what is "honorable" and "good" PvP are as there are players. Some people prioritize competitive fights over Alliance loyalty. I don't think either side is "right" or "wrong," we all play for different reasons.

Pretty much every night I play, I see the exact same situation happen outside Bleakers. I can tell you from the 100s of times that:

Often most people aren't really paying attention waiting for their ticks. They are emoting, shield-bashing friends, firing random abilities, typing in chat log, etc.
Some of the people who are paying attention will see a 1v1 and opt not to interfere because they don't want to make the fight imbalanced. They don't know you are a ranged healer. I PvP every night and can say I only know a minority of my alliance mates builds and tactics.
The people who would intervene, and ask any solo-small player around, there are maaaaaaaaaaaaaany of them, just happened to be the ones not paying attention. Poor luck for you; good luck for the ganker.

You probably got trash because those people who otherwise would have helped you probably didn't appreciate getting accused of something they aren't. So the very people who might have stuck up for you were alienated. It's frustrating to die but I have come to the realization that 999 times out of 1000 it is just best to rez at wayshrine and shrug off whatever frustrated you about the death. We all get zerged down, ulti-bombed, lagged out, seemingly targeted by cordial acquaintances, left out in the lurch by alliance mates, etc. It happens. It's just part of PvP. Expecting this stuff not to happen and complaining about it is like expecting to play football and not getting hit.

If you value Alliance/group comradeship, then you should find a group. Not all opt to farm. Some do play the map first. Your build and contribution will be a lot more effective. It's hard playing a ranged healer by yourself because without a zerg to surf, these builds are generally squishy targets and lack the offense to fight off dedicated attackers.

ArchMikem · February 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

[*] Some of the people who are paying attention will see a 1v1 and opt not to interfere because they don't want to make the fight imbalanced. They don't know you are a ranged healer. I PvP every night and can say I only know a minority of my alliance mates builds and tactics.

Cyrodiil is a Warzone. Wars are nothing but imbalanced fights.

"Go get a group" shouldn't be the default answer. If ZOS intended Cyrodiil to be the PvP arena the majority of players actually treat it as then they should've canned the whole Alliance War plot to begin with. "Go to Cyrodiil to beat the crap out of others!" There, that's all that's needed and then the issues wouldn't exist. But it's not, it's an Alliance WAR. Cyrodiil is a Warzone and we're entering Campaigns as soldiers of our Alliance. If players don't want to play as part of an Army then they don't deserve the Military Rank Titles they earn. "You're a Grand Overlord? That must've been a ton of Ganking and standing around for Defense Ticks you did."

If players are Dueling they can do it outside of Cyrodiil now. That's the whole reason why ZOS gave it to us to begin with right? Cause people complained about being forced to duel in Cyrodiil. Now that we have PvE Dueling, all 1 on 1 fights found in Cyrodiil shouldn't be automatically assumed to be Duels and left alone. They should be seen as "That guy is getting Ganked, I should help!" And then you help save your Ally and the both of you go on to contribute to the Campaign elsewhere immediately.

Joy_Division · February 2017

Well, I tried to help but you seem more intent on badgering people into how they should play a game. Good luck with that.

ArchMikem · February 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

Well, I tried to help but you seem more intent on badgering people into how they should play a game. Good luck with that.

With what? I'm not asking for help, I'm discussing a change to player behavior. One that could only make experiences better. One that would fit better with the intended design of the game mode. This isn't me ordering people to play a certain way just for my benefit. I don't badger.

Seriously I couldn't care less about PvP. A lot of the time I hate it, it's miserable, but it's part of the end game and I love this game, so I'm a part of it too. I'm just trying to shed light on how it could be better on the whole through Player actions alone.

Sandman929 · February 2017

As far as I'm concerned, if you're dueling in Cyrodiil you're inviting interference. The entirety of PvE land can be used for controlled 1v1 engagements, players should make use of it. See an enemy, kill an enemy.

thankyourat · February 2017

Sandman929 wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, if you're dueling in Cyrodiil you're inviting interference. The entirety of PvE land can be used for controlled 1v1 engagements, players should make use of it. See an enemy, kill an enemy.

I don't think people purposely set up duels in cyrodiil. I think it just sort of happens. Especially with solo players you get into a fight with another good player and it just turns into a duel. With that being said I don't know why players get mad if it gets interrupted because you are in cyrodiil. If I get into a duel and people interrupt it I just walk off. Even if I see players in a 1v1 I'll usually watch. this for alot of people is one of the few times they'll get to practice their skills especially if they always play in large groups

NBrookus · February 2017

If you hate PvP, don't do it. There's other stuff to do.

But if you are going to be a zerg healer, stay with the zerg. When you've got one or two offensive skills on your bars, hunting down players solo doesn't work.

If I'm having a good 1v1, last thing I want is a zerg coming over the hill and sticking their noses in. It has nothing to do with "dueling" -- because the randomness and the fact you are running around in an open world build makes it different.