Lacking General Cooperation in PvP

ArchMikem

My Alliance has Bleakers and there's a large back and forth brawl there so I take part. I'm healing, shielding, a real team player today. As I'm returning to the Outpost on my Mount from helping stop a back cap at Chalman, one of the Blues attempts to Gank me directly in front and to the left of the Outpost's front door where half of the Pact are standing around. I just barely survive by burning through self heals and as me and another guy turn back around to counter, the Ganker's gone again. But I know people LOVE to pick off people at the Outpost, so I hide and wait, casting Inner Light. Eventually I detect him, and I engage. Remember, this is happening TEN FEET away from where half the Pact is gathered outside the front door dawdling their thumbs. The guy is a 2Handed MagBlade and I'm on my Ranged Templar Healer so after about twenty seconds I lose the fight.

In the death screen I turn my camera around to see if anyone else noticed the fight and came over to avenge me or at least remove the threat.



Not. A single. Person. Helped.

NO ONE in that massive group even bothered to turn their head and notice. Not a SINGLE person. You'd think we were supposed to be Soldiers of the Pact, in an Army, fighting a War. And this isn't the first time it's happened to me either. And when I finally rezzed at the Outpost and called them out on it, I got called Trash for my efforts.

It's Bull like this that makes me want to go join and support the Destro Ult groups that farm the Bridges. That's the only kind of actual Organized Unit Cohesion I've seen in PvP.

Tabbycat

Next time try: "Yo, bro, I'm gonna take down this jerk that tried to gank me. You got my six?"

And see if you get better results.

Ackwalan

Where you raging in chat recently? Could of been "oh it's that guy" moment. It might not be ESO, it might not be the players, it may be you.

Katahdin

lol yep

I was at a fight at Arrius mine last night. AD was in the tower. EP would rush in there kill some, die, AD would rush out, kill the EP outside and a few of them would die.

EP just kept spawning at the nearby keep for over half an hour and running back and feeding AD AP the whole time.
AD kept a camp up and spawning and running back, doing the same over and over too.

At least it was semi organized but after a while the kills you do get are worth 5 AP each.

Just seems so pointless to keep rinsing and repeating the same thing over and over and over.

I will say there were a few people rezzing others though which was nice.

runagate

I people like you they'll rez you, help when you get attacked. If they don't like you - not so much.

willlienellson

On the other hand, I find it exceptionally annoying how any "even" fight that lasts longer than 20 seconds draws a crowd and becomes a question of numbers=win.

How it USUALLY GOES:
You and the guy start fighting 1v1. After 10 seconds when you're at 20% health and he is at 50% health, ten of your friends jump in to kill him 11v1. Then you teabag him for 90 seconds while you regen your health back to full.

Cause trolling is the real end game of ESO.

You had a LEGIT 1v1 fight and lost. That's still a win. You got a legit 1v1 fight!

Zvorgin

That group in the background was probably afk or being told to stay on crown so they could go do something worthwhile.

A group can't stay organized if they run off chasing every tanker they see. This doesn't seem like that big of a thing to rage over.

Osteos

If you aren't dead set on EP come try DC. I would never stand on the porch and let a fellow DC player get ganked.

Theosis

LadyLavina

Join groups. If you were by yourself, you really can't be mad that they didn't rush to assist.

Edit: Edited so i don't get yelled at by mods

zaria

willlienellson wrote: »

On the other hand, I find it exceptionally annoying how any "even" fight that lasts longer than 20 seconds draws a crowd and becomes a question of numbers=win.

How it USUALLY GOES:
You and the guy start fighting 1v1. After 10 seconds when you're at 20% health and he is at 50% health, ten of your friends jump in to kill him 11v1. Then you teabag him for 90 seconds while you regen your health back to full.

Cause trolling is the real end game of ESO.

You had a LEGIT 1v1 fight and lost. That's still a win. You got a legit 1v1 fight!

If I was in Cyrodil and saw one in my alliance was fighting an enemy I would help, only reason for not helping is he was hit by 3+ enemies and they would kill me after finishing him.
I would expect others to do the same its not trolling its helping in an war.

KingYogi415

2 handed mageblades are just too OP.

Maybe wait for a mageblade with 1 hand before attacking next time?

Cheers!

ArchMikem

Ackwalan wrote: »

Where you raging in chat recently? Could of been "oh it's that guy" moment. It might not be ESO, it might not be the players, it may be you.

I dont rage. I dont use the chat because im trying to help win fights. Whenever i see someone fighting alone i rush over to help, heals at the ready if theyre losing.

No. Its not me.

BRogueNZ

I think its a shame 10 people jump on one, especially that close to a spawn point.

I mean I do both, i have no problem with 'zerging' down one player if they're continuously being a pain in the ass, or waiting and healing my guy just when hes about to drop just to troll the enemy (which they love believe me) but that close to a keep? I normally let people 1v1 even if its ending badly for our guy.

IcyDeadPeople

ArchMikem wrote: »

The guy is a 2Handed MagBlade

How does that work?

Runs

To be fair if they were in a group and their leader didn't tell them to go chasing the squirrel, then they shouldn't have gone. Some leaders have plans(even if that plan is just to stay on the porch and let the enemy come to you) and do not tolerate group members who run off doing their own thing.

Ampnode

I probably wouldn't help you either. However, I'm not fond of Xv1ing someone, or interrupting a duel. But anway, if the group had good intentions, I'd assume they didn't want to be jerks and ruin a 1v1. So I don't see why it's a problem if the group didn't want to zerg a duel while you expected them to.

So nah, it's you.

kyle.wilson

Most groups that I run with won't interfere in a 1v1 fight. The fact that those ep didn't zerg down 1 person says more about them, than you crying about losing.
I guess there is an ep group somewhere with some honor.

Shimmer

Re roll dc, I've never had this happen with dc.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Tbf if you where/are a healer, why would you try take a ganker out by yourself? I mean that's if your character is a Pvp healer.

Pvp healer with springs, regen etc will get decked by most ppl 1v1.

Edit: was gunna edit word decked to wrecked but it fits well too.

visionality

If you're set up for a healer, you shouldn't attack gankers. Its one thing for a healer to be hit by a ganker and try to survive - then I would be equally frustrated when a bunch of DDs stand right beside me and don't come to help. But if you search and single-attack an enemy player, people can easily assume that you want to duel or get some revenge. Next time, range-attack the guy and pull him to the others. Or just leave him be. Most gankers are not worth the hassle.

Most_Awesome

I have no honour, I have no shame, I Xv1 and collect rage tells, I would have helped you OP then Tbagged the enemy afterwards.

ninjaguyman

if i catch someone in a 1v1, i would usually prefer that it stay as a 1v1, even if i have teammates in eyesight of the fight. And even if i end up losing.

FriedEggSandwich

Ampnode wrote: »

I probably wouldn't help you either. However, I'm not fond of Xv1ing someone, or interrupting a duel. But anway, if the group had good intentions, I'd assume they didn't want to be jerks and ruin a 1v1. So I don't see why it's a problem if the group didn't want to zerg a duel while you expected them to.

So nah, it's you.

Agree. If I'm in an informal 1v1 and my alliance jump in to help I will stop. If I see a 1v1 and am not aware it was a gank I will stand and watch until my ally becomes outnumbed. If I see a 1v1 and know it was a gank attempt on an ally I will probs jump in to help, unless I know that person can handle it themselves. I'm also not a fan of zerging people down. I got yelled at in zone by an ally once; I was riding to arruis and got ganked, I dismounted and recovered and was fighting the guy. Then 2 more ad show up and help, so I stop and watch because otherwise it would have been 3v1. Apparently that was the wrong thing to do. Oops.

Korah_Eaglecry

So youre angry that you got spanked and no one stepped in and saved your sorry butt from the loss you obviously deserved?

Youre right OP. It is the players. Namely you.

ArchMikem

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

The guy is a 2Handed MagBlade

How does that work?

I dunno, i saw cloak spam, i assumed magic.

LinearParadox

First off, barely anyone plays MagBlade.
Second off, NO ONE plays MagBlade with a 2H. That was a StamBlade, like almost all gankers.
Third off, team behind you or no, valliant effort aside, trying to 'root out' a NB gander, as a ranged heal play, is freakin suicide. Even if people had come to help, you probably would've been dead anyway.
Fourth off... welcome to Pact. Honestly, all factions are guilty of the same 'sins' at some time or another; zerging, farming, trolling, etc. But honestly I find Pact players to be, on average, the most clueless and the most likely to Zerg.
Being a team player and aware of gankers and such, sounds like you need to be in AD or DC.

chaserstorm16909

zaria wrote: »

willlienellson wrote: »

On the other hand, I find it exceptionally annoying how any "even" fight that lasts longer than 20 seconds draws a crowd and becomes a question of numbers=win.

How it USUALLY GOES:
You and the guy start fighting 1v1. After 10 seconds when you're at 20% health and he is at 50% health, ten of your friends jump in to kill him 11v1. Then you teabag him for 90 seconds while you regen your health back to full.

Cause trolling is the real end game of ESO.

You had a LEGIT 1v1 fight and lost. That's still a win. You got a legit 1v1 fight!

If I was in Cyrodil and saw one in my alliance was fighting an enemy I would help, only reason for not helping is he was hit by 3+ enemies and they would kill me after finishing him.
I would expect others to do the same its not trolling its helping in an war.

You have to be careful with this. Sometimes if you enter a fight thinking you are helping an ally they will turn on you. That's because they were dueling with the other person and didn't want your assistance. If the enemy player is really strong your ally will let you die while they stand there and watch. Or if you try to cloak and escape, your ally will follow you to tip off your position to the enemy.

Silver_Strider

Idk, I can't really say who's the one at fault.

You knew there was a ganker. Alright, that's fine but I do have a few questions.

1. Why not tell your alliance mates to be careful and keep on their toes for the ganker? If you are correct and no one else noticed the ganker, wouldn't it have been wiser to inform them of this threat against them?
2. Why not ask for assistance prior to pursuing this ganker instead of assuming? You're clearly not suited to go off on your own to kill someone but you went ahead anyways under an assumption but that assumption backfired so can you really blame ANYONE but yourself for that?
3. How many times have you been in a 1v1 engagement only to be zerged down by that player's Alliance members? If so, why would you encourage that behavior instead of taking it like a man/woman and accepting the loss?

I can't speak for those players in your Alliance as we haven't heard their half of the story but there are some faults with them as well, barring any circumstances such as being AFK. However, it would be wiser to consider the questions about your own behaviors and see if you can answer them before placing the blame elsewhere.

Inhuman003

That's what made me solo in PvP, that's why I'm glad there's 4v4v4 coming in ESO soon.

Osteos

Duelers have a nice fancy arena in Stormhaven and can duel anywhere now they do not need to be clogging up queues in Cyrodiil or dueling next to keeps and expecting other players to know they are dueling or to care. Show no mercy because you will receive none. In my opinion if you see a fellow alliance member in trouble you should definitely help them. That being said if I see 2 people fighting and the DC player looks like he/she is holding their own and going to be victorious I move on, that victory is theirs. I also find it amusing that somehow aiding your allies means zerging people down. FYI we don't all run around in 24 man groups.