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Please nerf Jesus Beam!
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭I was in the nerf jesus beam camp until I made a magplar to sample that greener grass. After playing as one and seeing what people do to counter it, I don't have nearly as much trouble with it on any of my chars as I used to. While I do think the damage scaling could be dialed back a bit I don't die to it as much anymore except in 1vX when I'm getting zerged pretty hard.PC/NA
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭I have always wanted to see executes actually be conditional. Ie..unusable until their threshold is met.
To me it just makes sense that that "execute" is not even usable until the target hits 50%-25% (respectively for the execute type)
As for beam. I sure do miss the days it could be roll dodged, as stupid radiant can completely stop cloak from being casted.
That would be fine with me. Would help stop targeting the wrong player/mob also. Targeting in this game has been terrible since they changed the tab-targeting from the reticule box to the silhouette we have now.
As for cloak not working with RD on you, are you sure you aren't being hit with Soul Assault? That skill actually prevents cloak for 2 seconds according to tooltip.
My bad I should have clarified, I can see the confusion. I meant Radiant Magelight being so prevelant, that once you are visible someone usually casts that to keep you from cloaking, then you can't cloak the Radiant Destruction.
My bad for paraphrasing the two abilities, apologies.Here since Beta.
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?
My tooltip for RD right now is 15k over 2.8 seconds. Add an extra 20% if you are at full magicka (which is impossible, since casting the spell will automatically give you less magicka but whatever), will give you 15*1.2= 18k over 2.8 seconds. That is what it hits for at full health.
With the 330% bonus (assuming 1% health) it will hit for 15k*4.3= 64.5k over 2.8 seconds. If you have full magicka then it is an extra 20% on top of that, so 77.4k over 2.8 seconds at 1% health. Of course at 1% health you will never see that full channel.
My tooltip right now for Soul Shatter is 55k over 2.8 seconds.
I mean, it's not even remotely close at full health. Shatter Soul/Soul Assault is vastly stronger at full health than RD, which is why you only see poor players, or players with o other options at range using RD at full health. OR misfires. That happens all the time.
Not asking tooltip. Asking actual damage tick. Im seeing 2-3k ticks from RD, and 2-3k ticks from Soul assault. Something isnt adding up.
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iseko✭✭✭✭My main is magicka templar
I think they should reduce the range (15m or so) and leave everythin else the same. Or have the base dmg be affected by range. It is ridiculous to be fighting 1v2 or 2v4 or something and have one guy perma jesusbeaming you from 20m away. Just incase u get into execute range. Ontop of that it does nice dps at base dmg.
Having to be closer to the target would reduce this happening. Tbh if you have 10-15% health and get hit by jb. 9/10 you are dead. It is a really strong execute.2 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?
My tooltip for RD right now is 15k over 2.8 seconds. Add an extra 20% if you are at full magicka (which is impossible, since casting the spell will automatically give you less magicka but whatever), will give you 15*1.2= 18k over 2.8 seconds. That is what it hits for at full health.
With the 330% bonus (assuming 1% health) it will hit for 15k*4.3= 64.5k over 2.8 seconds. If you have full magicka then it is an extra 20% on top of that, so 77.4k over 2.8 seconds at 1% health. Of course at 1% health you will never see that full channel.
My tooltip right now for Soul Shatter is 55k over 2.8 seconds.
I mean, it's not even remotely close at full health. Shatter Soul/Soul Assault is vastly stronger at full health than RD, which is why you only see poor players, or players with o other options at range using RD at full health. OR misfires. That happens all the time.
Not asking tooltip. Asking actual damage tick. Im seeing 2-3k ticks from RD, and 2-3k ticks from Soul assault. Something isnt adding up.
@Lokey0024 Don't blame you for asking. I never trust tooltips either.
Here are my ticks on a mammoth in Wrothgar (130,000 health never went less than 50% health):
Soul Shatter: (pre-buff with illuminate by killing some poor goat nearby, since RD automatically gives you illuminate buff):
8062, 8062, 8062, 13142, 13142, 13142 for a total of 63612
RD:
8432, 8432, 5173, 5173 for a total of 27210
So you can see for one thing Soul Shatter ticks for two extra ticks (Soul Shatter is the morph that has the same channel time as RD), so that is probably why you see similar ticks as RD. Also when you compare an RD crit to a SS normal tick, they are around the same which may lead one to think they are similar in magnitude unless you look more closely.
So, again it's not even close. Soul Shatter is way better DPS at full health. Just about anything is.
edit: I just realized what a nice combo of crits I got. Both tests were precisely 50% crit.Edited by danno8 on 2 January 2017 17:001 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have always wanted to see executes actually be conditional. Ie..unusable until their threshold is met.
To me it just makes sense that that "execute" is not even usable until the target hits 50%-25% (respectively for the execute type)
As for beam. I sure do miss the days it could be roll dodged, as stupid radiant can completely stop cloak from being casted.
That would be fine with me. Would help stop targeting the wrong player/mob also. Targeting in this game has been terrible since they changed the tab-targeting from the reticule box to the silhouette we have now.
As for cloak not working with RD on you, are you sure you aren't being hit with Soul Assault? That skill actually prevents cloak for 2 seconds according to tooltip.
My bad I should have clarified, I can see the confusion. I meant Radiant Magelight being so prevelant, that once you are visible someone usually casts that to keep you from cloaking, then you can't cloak the Radiant Destruction.
My bad for paraphrasing the two abilities, apologies.
A gotcha.
I don't play a magblade, or any NB at all in PvP, but I gotta say I feel for them when they get RM'd. In other games with limited stealth you can have 3-4 stealth abilities, and your opponent will maybe have 1-2 anti-stealth abilities and careful use of either is what can decide a fight.
In a game with (somewhat) unlimited stealth and unlimited anti-stealth with no cooldown it seems it comes down to whether you have a hard counter slotted or not.
On my Templar if a NB fails a gank and I have RM slotted, it feels almost unfair. RM, charge, jabs, RM, charge, jabs, RM, RD. Something like that and it's over unless they manage to use fear and quickly slip away. I used to use immovable/reveal pots but I find I barely need them anymore.
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Czirne✭✭✭✭Holy crap, they actually did it! they nerfed jesus beam!
Now we need to start like a hundred discussions about nerfing proc sets, and in summer of 2018 they will nerf proc sets!I believe in lagless Cyrodiil!2 -
a1i3nz✭✭✭✭Good job qq
Now templar got jb nerfed AND blazing spear effectively reducing us to tanks or healers.
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Czirne✭✭✭✭a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »Good job qq
Now templar got jb nerfed AND blazing spear effectively reducing us to tanks or healers.
Well, thats a good thing, isn't it? Nowodays every magplar in cyrodiil is tank, healer and damage dealer at same time.I believe in lagless Cyrodiil!4 -
iseko✭✭✭✭They should have either reduced the range (15m or so) or the execute range (50% to 20%).
This wont do anything against temps hiding in zergs and perma jesusbeaming you. Which even with a 21% dmg nerf is still going to be op as ***.
My base tooltip (HA temp) is 15k. So after battle spirit at 330% it ticks at 24k unmitigated.
With this nerf it is going to be base 11.85. After battle spirit at 330% it ticks for 20k unmitigated.
This nerf does nothing for the real problem. Temps wearing LA in zergs perma jesusbeaming people getting hit from 20m away. They should undo the 21% and reduce range of the skill. Or even keep the 21% but reduce range for *** sake!0 -
Gal✭✭✭just fix the *** beam and all good getting nuked in mistform from 12k Radiant... with 75% mitigation
That 12k tick comes from you being at like 1 hp, even if beam wasn't hitting you, you'd die anyway. The 12k tick just makes it look worse than it is
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Nyteshade✭✭✭In this age of gank blade proctards, how is jesus beam even a problem?
I remember getting killed maybe once in the last month by jesus beam...vs how many times by proc gank builds? Case closed1 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In this age of gank blade proctards, how is jesus beam even a problem?
I remember getting killed maybe once in the last month by jesus beam...vs how many times by proc gank builds? Case closed
Well; I can say after getting wrecked by some proc-blades, I started spamming that *** when I saw a NB trying to escape just for the LULz.
Plenty of cheese and lots of whine to go with it.1 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup they nerfed the Jesus Beam. Lol, I honestly think it's pretty funny. To me all of the nerfs to proc sets and Magicka Sorc and Magplar nerfs seems like PvE nerfs. But what ever this is a PvE game any ways with a small mass pvp Mod from the devs.
I mean does any one else finds themselves dumb founded that Magplar get hit with pretty big nerfs. All the while heavy armor and Proc Set stackers are still going to be supreme in Cyrodiil? I guess this is ZOS just pigeonholing all of the PvPers into Heavy Armor or stacking proc sets.
Things like I explain above are the reason you'd be hard press to find me in Cyrodiil these days. However I will say thank goodness their are some actual good PvP games on the market for non potatoes like my self. Now ZOS instead of continuously nerfing already somewhat gimped magicka based builds. How about you allow us to buy more character slots. I've ran out of characters to level up on my account and would like to buy at least 6 more character slots to level up more characters.0
