Please nerf Jesus Beam!

Brutusmax1mus · December 2016

No decent player gets killed by 1 dark flare and 1 beam.

a1i3nz · December 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

No decent player gets killed by 1 dark flare and 1 beam.

Probably not dueling....

But in open world that's a templar gank

WillhelmBlack · December 2016

Dredlord wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

The only reason its annoying is the fact when theres 3 or more guys against just you theres always one lowlife who spams that the entire fight

Especially when the target has huge burst healing (magplar, stamdk for example), that can be the most effective thing to do so it hits them the moment they get into range from the damage of other players, rather than having the chance to get back to full.

Nope. That just sounds to me like you're standing out of range so you don't get killed spamming Jesus Beam.

Nope, that just sounds like you are clueless to all but the most basic tactics in this game.

Are you calling Jesus Beam until dead in an Xv1 situation an "advanced tactic"? I don't follow.

WhiteMage · December 2016

Seriously, thank you for this thread. I needed a break from... the outside world. It's a scary place out there these days, what with the ______ and the _______ and even some of the _______.

My fellow forumplars, I've missed you!

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Posting for a friend with a Templar

geonsocal · December 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I approve this thread!

wait a minute now - i thought we was cool on jesus beaming every living creatures in tamreil on that other thread???

Brutusmax1mus · December 2016

WhiteMage wrote: »

Seriously, thank you for this thread. I needed a break from... the outside world. It's a scary place out there these days, what with the _ petting zoos_ and the _ balloon animals_ and even some of the _ fluffy dogs _.

My fellow forumplars, I've missed you!

UppGRAYxDD · December 2016

No

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

geonsocal wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I approve this thread!

wait a minute now - i thought we was cool on jesus beaming every living creatures in tamreil on that other thread???

Oh I'm very cool with it! My approval stems from missing listening to everyone's complaints. Between proc set and crown crate nerf threads I was worried that people no longer hated us. I enjoy the tears.

geonsocal · December 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I approve this thread!

wait a minute now - i thought we was cool on jesus beaming every living creatures in tamreil on that other thread???

Oh I'm very cool with it! My approval stems from missing listening to everyone's complaints. Between proc set and crown crate nerf threads I was worried that people no longer hated us. I enjoy the tears.

I need to party with you

NaysaSimone · December 2016

Ok this really is a L2P issue, JB is easily countered, block, interrupt, gain distance. Yes it hits hard when you're caught in that low health and when raid on raid it is hard to see who it's coming from but 1v1 or small man, very very easy to counter and as I've mained Temps for the last 2 years and my recent being an exicution build with a hard hitting JB sure I've rekt people with it but a good player knows what to do and I've definitely come up against those players and will highly respect those that can counter me but in all honesty, those players are very few, probably 5is players in the 2 or so months I've mained this particular Templar. It doesn't need to be nerfed people just need to realise you can counter pretty much anything in this game

Vaoh · December 2016

I think I need help..... I don't even see the problem with jesus beam anymore.

Proc sets are so broken they make jesus beam look proportionally balanced. Fml

FriedEggSandwich · December 2016

The last time I had a problem with cheesy beems was the last time there was a multiple mundus exploit in game (2 patches ago I think). I have a ward though so my opinion might be selfish. At least the skill has more than one counter.

olsborg · December 2016

Nerf it? Yes

Dk_needs_a_buff · December 2016

The only reason its annoying is the fact when theres 3 or more guys against just you theres always one lowlife who spams it the entire fight

The true problem is proc sets. They are so unbalanced and prove zenimaz has no idea what theyr doing.

In a 1v1 just bash or use a interupt ability on jesus beam users

FearlessOne_2014 · December 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

L2 Bash, from 41m away.

In all seriousness though, it's stupid that my heavy armour Magplar can 2 shot 4 out of 5 players on the EU server in open world PvP.

*** needs a nerf.

How about Learn to use Venom Arrow (Has longer range then RD) or Crushing Shock?

Now be quite and go back into whatever closet you crawled out of.

Czirne · December 2016

Is it nerfed yet?

Lokey0024 · December 2016

Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?

Maikon · December 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

just fix the *** beam and all good getting nuked in mistform from 12k Radiant... with 75% mitigation

Good job pulling numbers out of your ass

This right here ▲

ordraveeb17_ESO · December 2016

better nerf destro ulty.... more peoples will happy)))

Paneross · December 2016

ordraveeb17_ESO wrote: »

better nerf destro ulty.... more peoples will happy)))

JB is killing one person at a time @ low health.
Eye of the Skill is killing entire groups at full health. Nuff said

technohic · December 2016

I have been using JB a bit lately and from what I see of when it is useful is when someone is probably going to be dead anyway because no heal comes; but thats me waiting for the execution window. I have noticed that I have been hit with it while I am nearly at full health and it does nothing, but what people are doing is keeping it on targets just in case someone else hits them hard while they are just spamming it.

I think the ability is fine, but what I would do is maybe make it to where the bonus damage doesn't happen unless the ability was activated on the target when the target was already in execution range. Would eliminate some of the cheese to it.

Joy_Division · December 2016

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?

Sad part is most of the people commenting on RD probably don't even know the answer to this question.

Czirne · December 2016

technohic wrote: »

I have been using JB a bit lately and from what I see of when it is useful is when someone is probably going to be dead anyway because no heal comes; but thats me waiting for the execution window. I have noticed that I have been hit with it while I am nearly at full health and it does nothing, but what people are doing is keeping it on targets just in case someone else hits them hard while they are just spamming it.

I think the ability is fine, but what I would do is maybe make it to where the bonus damage doesn't happen unless the ability was activated on the target when the target was already in execution range. Would eliminate some of the cheese to it.

That is actually one of best ideas i've ever heard/read this year!

danno8 · December 2016

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?

My tooltip for RD right now is 15k over 2.8 seconds. Add an extra 20% if you are at full magicka (which is impossible, since casting the spell will automatically give you less magicka but whatever), will give you 15*1.2= 18k over 2.8 seconds. That is what it hits for at full health.

With the 330% bonus (assuming 1% health) it will hit for 15k*4.3= 64.5k over 2.8 seconds. If you have full magicka then it is an extra 20% on top of that, so 77.4k over 2.8 seconds at 1% health. Of course at 1% health you will never see that full channel.

My tooltip right now for Soul Shatter is 55k over 2.8 seconds.

I mean, it's not even remotely close at full health. Shatter Soul/Soul Assault is vastly stronger at full health than RD, which is why you only see poor players, or players with o other options at range using RD at full health. OR misfires. That happens all the time.

Xeniph · December 2016

I have always wanted to see executes actually be conditional. Ie..unusable until their threshold is met.

To me it just makes sense that that "execute" is not even usable until the target hits 50%-25% (respectively for the execute type)

As for beam. I sure do miss the days it could be roll dodged, as stupid radiant can completely stop cloak from being casted.

technohic · December 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

I have always wanted to see executes actually be conditional. Ie..unusable until their threshold is met.d.

I like this idea best.

danno8 · December 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

I have always wanted to see executes actually be conditional. Ie..unusable until their threshold is met.

To me it just makes sense that that "execute" is not even usable until the target hits 50%-25% (respectively for the execute type)

As for beam. I sure do miss the days it could be roll dodged, as stupid radiant can completely stop cloak from being casted.

That would be fine with me. Would help stop targeting the wrong player/mob also. Targeting in this game has been terrible since they changed the tab-targeting from the reticule box to the silhouette we have now.

As for cloak not working with RD on you, are you sure you aren't being hit with Soul Assault? That skill actually prevents cloak for 2 seconds according to tooltip.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?

danno8 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Answer this truthfully templars. How much does Radiant tick for at full health. Now how much does soul assault tick for full health. Same, less, or more?

My tooltip for RD right now is 15k over 2.8 seconds. Add an extra 20% if you are at full magicka (which is impossible, since casting the spell will automatically give you less magicka but whatever), will give you 15*1.2= 18k over 2.8 seconds. That is what it hits for at full health.

With the 330% bonus (assuming 1% health) it will hit for 15k*4.3= 64.5k over 2.8 seconds. If you have full magicka then it is an extra 20% on top of that, so 77.4k over 2.8 seconds at 1% health. Of course at 1% health you will never see that full channel.

My tooltip right now for Soul Shatter is 55k over 2.8 seconds.

I mean, it's not even remotely close at full health. Shatter Soul/Soul Assault is vastly stronger at full health than RD, which is why you only see poor players, or players with o other options at range using RD at full health. OR misfires. That happens all the time.

@danno8 nailed it. We have almost identical numbers. For what it's worth, just going off of memory a non-crit RD will start at about 5k. A non crit Soul Assault will start at about 8k.

montiferus · January 2017

Here is my tooltip with a spell damage pot.

RD - 17104
SA - 81344

I don't really look when I'm in combat to see what the SA hits for. Radiant is all over the map depending on the target. I've seen as low as 7k and as high as 20k (guy must have had zero impen and no resistances).

As someone who mains a templar for PVP I acknowledge the skill is OP. I think they should lower the initial tick of damage on it and/or decrease the range?

That said if they were to do that I would love some sort of speed buff to templars in exchange for the nerf. Our mobility sucks and I would gladly make that trade.