Please nerf Jesus Beam!

Czirne

This thread is here just to make some people happy
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305857/i-miss-nerf-radiant-posts#latest
You're welcome.

Cathexis

I am getting a bit tired of "everybody turn and jesus beam" with only a handful of niche counters. (That said you can counter it)

timidobserver

This thread is a blast from the past.

I haven't seen a Radiant thread in a while. Nerf proc sets has been the rage.

Akinos

timidobserver wrote: »

This thread is a blast from the past.

I haven't seen a Radiant thread in a while. Nerf proc sets has been the rage.

We need a buff jesus beam thread for a change, just to trigger everybody

BuggeX

just fix the *** beam and all good getting nuked in mistform from 12k Radiant... with 75% mitigation

Brutusmax1mus

BuggeX wrote: »

just fix the *** beam and all good getting nuked in mistform from 12k Radiant... with 75% mitigation

Good job pulling numbers out of your ass

Brutusmax1mus

If you can't counter jb, you're bad or in a bad position, either way you're bad actually.

Czirne

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

If you can't counter jb, you're bad or in a bad position, either way you're bad actually.

I know, right? To break los or bash is easy, if you can position yourself well.

Sheuib

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

If you can't counter jb, you're bad or in a bad position, either way you're bad actually.

Lucky for me there are a lot of bad players out there.

WillhelmBlack

L2 Bash, from 41m away.

In all seriousness though, it's stupid that my heavy armour Magplar can 2 shot 4 out of 5 players on the EU server in open world PvP.

*** needs a nerf.

Brutusmax1mus

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

L2 Bash, from 41m away.

In all seriousness though, it's stupid that my heavy armour Magplar can 2 shot 4 out of 5 players on the EU server in open world PvP.

*** needs a nerf.

If youre 41m away, take a step back...
Only time you're going to have trouble doing something about it is in group on group, which you should have a healer helping you out.

Heavy bow into light attack poison injection > gap closer of choice with viper and velidreth proc. > Light attack and execute. All of that can hit at a single moment due to flight time, and you're thinking a move with plenty of counters is a problem???? Don't forget you can use an intimate and hit that at the same moment too.

WillhelmBlack

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

L2 Bash, from 41m away.

In all seriousness though, it's stupid that my heavy armour Magplar can 2 shot 4 out of 5 players on the EU server in open world PvP.

*** needs a nerf.

If youre 41m away, take a step back...
Only time you're going to have trouble doing something about it is in group on group, which you should have a healer helping you out.

Heavy bow into light attack poison injection > gap closer of choice with viper and velidreth proc. > Light attack and execute. All of that can hit at a single moment due to flight time, and you're thinking a move with plenty of counters is a problem???? Don't forget you can use an intimate and hit that at the same moment too.

No one Jesus Beams at 41 m away, well, maybe EP do.

You're also talking about proc armour, the thread is about a skill and FYI, my Jesus Beam (and Meteor/Javelin if I wanted to) would hit you before the 10k Dark Flare. Your health would be at 0 then.

There are counters to this, reflects, shields, 80k health etc but if you're on a siege, horse or just looking the wrong way you are dead. This is exactly the same as proc damage, proc sets won't 2 shot you either if you're on guard. Procs need a nerf, so does Radiant.

Brutusmax1mus

I guess you're right.

I actually only think the mechanic a procs needs a nerf. Maybe 1 proc per second. I think the damage on then Is fine.

It's not the same as procs though. A dark flare javalin into radiant is not going to kill anyone bit a scrub. My night blade can do 30k damage to heavy armor before they move.

Stealth heavy attack, surprise attack, both weapons enchants proc, viper, velidreth, incap, execute. That combo is still deadly without the proc sets. With them though it's too much imo.

Personally i have no problem with radiant, proc sets in on the edge on.

WillhelmBlack

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I guess you're right.

I actually only think the mechanic a procs needs a nerf. Maybe 1 proc per second. I think the damage on then Is fine.

It's not the same as procs though. A dark flare javalin into radiant is not going to kill anyone bit a scrub. My night blade can do 30k damage to heavy armor before they move.

Stealth heavy attack, surprise attack, both weapons enchants proc, viper, velidreth, incap, execute. That combo is still deadly without the proc sets. With them though it's too much imo.

Personally i have no problem with radiant, proc sets in on the edge on.

I've killed many decent players with just Dark Flare to Jesus Beam, but I won't start tagging them haha.

Psychodellix

Just my Opinion, but I feel that Removing all Executes and monster helms would make Cyrodill so much more pleasant.

White wabbit

Psychodellix wrote: »

Just my Opinion, but I feel that Removing all Executes and monster helms would make Cyrodill so much more pleasant.

Just go the full hog and remove everything from Cyrodill

Brutusmax1mus

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I guess you're right.

I actually only think the mechanic a procs needs a nerf. Maybe 1 proc per second. I think the damage on then Is fine.

It's not the same as procs though. A dark flare javalin into radiant is not going to kill anyone bit a scrub. My night blade can do 30k damage to heavy armor before they move.

Stealth heavy attack, surprise attack, both weapons enchants proc, viper, velidreth, incap, execute. That combo is still deadly without the proc sets. With them though it's too much imo.

Personally i have no problem with radiant, proc sets in on the edge on.

I've killed many decent players with just Dark Flare to Jesus Beam, but I won't start tagging them haha.

They were completely oblivious or afk then lol. Even an empowered crit wouldn't put a DECENT player to half health.

Rohaus

Amen to nerfing JB!

Kutsuu

I'm seeing people effectively counter this ability now that I've tried my hand at a magplar - LOS and interrupts are great, and the channel can be broken by invis pots or cloak. Some players also have so much block mitigation that it tickles them while they throw a burst heal (rally or w/e). It's definitely not more bursty than my stamblade, but also a more survivable character by a long shot. It'd be close with the glorious cloak of 2014 that cancelled projectiles/meteors and cleansed.

threefarms

Jesus should nerf your beam.

Dk_needs_a_buff

The only reason its annoying is the fact when theres 3 or more guys against just you theres always one lowlife who spams that the entire fight

Paneross

Can we close this thread. This is #900 of the same thing. @ZOS_JasonI @ZOS_JasonBarnes @ZOS_ZebCook @ZOS_EveP @ZOS_TristanK

Kutsuu

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

The only reason its annoying is the fact when theres 3 or more guys against just you theres always one lowlife who spams that the entire fight

Especially when the target has huge burst healing (magplar, stamdk for example), that can be the most effective thing to do so it hits them the moment they get into range from the damage of other players, rather than having the chance to get back to full.

Bandit1215

The SKILL I feel is the most annoying by far is SA. Literally zero counterplay. Basically put up hot's, hold block, and hope you don't die. If you're magicka player... RIP.

Awakatanka

The only reason you see it less is because they need to out heal the proc sets. If proc sets are gone then you see the starwars players again

scrobey

Jesus beam does nothing to the new heavy armor Jesus tanks..

Kutsuu

Bandit1215 wrote: »

The SKILL I feel is the most annoying by far is SA. Literally zero counterplay. Basically put up hot's, hold block, and hope you don't die. If you're magicka player... RIP.

There are quite a few counterplay options, one of which you mentioned.

When it comes to magicka builds, at least successful ones, players are either going to have shields or they are going to have a 1h+shield bar. Magblade and magsorcs tend to shield through it, while magDKs and magplars tend to block through it on their 1h/shield bar.

Other options are LOSing it, outranging it, or attempting to burst them while they channel it which is viable for many builds. I see this as playing chicken and don't usually try to burst but it's definitely happened to me, especially against magsorcs.

WillhelmBlack

Kutsuu wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

The only reason its annoying is the fact when theres 3 or more guys against just you theres always one lowlife who spams that the entire fight

Especially when the target has huge burst healing (magplar, stamdk for example), that can be the most effective thing to do so it hits them the moment they get into range from the damage of other players, rather than having the chance to get back to full.

Nope. That just sounds to me like you're standing out of range so you don't get killed spamming Jesus Beam.

a1i3nz

lol
I've killed good players with just a dark flare into jesus beam. Does that make it OP? Not really. Devs are catering to the try hards these days and making everyone feel good. So in comparison to the proc set meta, EoTS, and how a lot of people are running impen or heavy jesus beam is probably not OP at all. Never kills me unless I'm outnumbered and health is under 30%

I do miss these threads though

Dredlord

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

The only reason its annoying is the fact when theres 3 or more guys against just you theres always one lowlife who spams that the entire fight

Especially when the target has huge burst healing (magplar, stamdk for example), that can be the most effective thing to do so it hits them the moment they get into range from the damage of other players, rather than having the chance to get back to full.

Nope. That just sounds to me like you're standing out of range so you don't get killed spamming Jesus Beam.

Nope, that just sounds like you are clueless to all but the most basic tactics in this game.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I approve this thread!