So I turned my nightblade into a ganker...

Kram8ion · November 2016

Welcome
"One of us one of us"

WuffyCerulei · November 2016

Good thing I got a full elegent set! I'll have to try this when my Argonian NB is at 50.
Ps: Went Argonian for the potion rebate that pairs well with the Ultimate gained from potions.

WuffyCerulei · November 2016

Czirne wrote: »

So what do you think, does ganking require skill? I'll be honnest with you, i watched video, and I try hard to see some skill, but i dont. All I see is invisible guy oneshoting people and dissapearing right after kill. They dont even have time ro react and fight back.

If you're stamblade using the meta, then ganking requires 0 skill. With magicka NBs, you don't have proc sets doing all the work for you, so it's harder.

WuffyCerulei · November 2016

Bdawwg wrote: »

Gonna have to get me a set of elegance then. Thanks for the info guys
Does elegance drop in jewelry?

It does!

Kova · November 2016

Nice stuff, OP! I'm in the same canoe right now. After years of being a solo player in cyrodiil and dueling my little heart out, ganking has definitely opened up a new avenue of fun for the game.

I had a neutral attitude towards it for awhile, but after talking to some friendly players that don't think their Sithis' gift to nirn for being able to kill someone from stealth with a proc set I've come to understand the play style and has helped me enjoy the game from a non-ganking position too.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

On the topic of magblade ganking, is clever alchemist a requirement for the heavy attack build?

It's appealing because it allows me to use destro + 2X 5 piece sets and monster set. I'm just wondering if there's a comparable set that doesn't require consumables.

I'm not sure if there's anything else with the back bar benefit for ganking.

I personally think it's BiS and irreplaceable for magicka nb ganking as it's really the only set you can back bar to proc. I don't use the exact build in that video anymore, but what I'm currently testing is two clever alchemist swords, 3 body pieces, 1 ilambris, 1 kena, 2 torugs, 3 willpower.

Obviously the torugs and willpower can be replaced with elegance or another five piece.

And in case anyone wanted to know-ice ganking was a bust lol. I tried using heavy frost attack from a sharpened maelstrom ice staff into the ice clench to try to proc winterborn. I was hopeful the damage shield from the frost attack would proc infernal guardian as well so I could be like the stam gankers using proc sets but on the magicka side lol. Needless to say guardian doesn't proc off of the frost bonus shield and winterborn is pretty unreliable. So in my head (when everything procced) it looked like heavy attack+meteors+frozen from clench+winterborn+soul harvest and in practice it looked more like no AP .

Yep. Kinda what I figured. Just hoped there was a chance at variety there. I guess now it comes down to what I'll use with it.

Any idea how clever + necropotence would perform vs elegant or willpower?

Lastly, I'm purely destro, as I really don't like dw for magic. Are you melee ganking?

No, I am destro as well, I just prefer to be in melee range. You can go ahead and use swallow soul/destructive reach and soul assault instead though, just not my style.

Necropotence is nice but I've found shadow image to not always stay stealthed. What ends up happening is the shade will shoot and give you away if you aren't really conscious of what you're doing (need to constantly cloak not just crouch). If you can get the hang of it though it's a nice setup and gives a decent damage increase for sure.

The lack of variety is disheartening; believe me I've tried really bizarre setups and they just don't really compare to the standard.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

Kova wrote: »

Nice stuff, OP! I'm in the same canoe right now. After years of being a solo player in cyrodiil and dueling my little heart out, ganking has definitely opened up a new avenue of fun for the game.

I had a neutral attitude towards it for awhile, but after talking to some friendly players that don't think their Sithis' gift to nirn for being able to kill someone from stealth with a proc set I've come to understand the play style and has helped me enjoy the game from a non-ganking position too.

That's awesome! Yeah ganking is pretty fun, just have to ignore all of the hate that comes your way; it can get pretty toxic. I've found the fact that I'm a female really seems to get me even more hate mail

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Ganking has, however, made me a much better open world player. I've found I'm extremely aware now of my surroundings and am easily able to counter gank attacks now on my other characters.

Keep enjoying your ganking adventures and best of luck avoiding those ridiculous infernal guardian meteors

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GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

So what do you think, does ganking require skill? I'll be honnest with you, i watched video, and I try hard to see some skill, but i dont. All I see is invisible guy oneshoting people and dissapearing right after kill. They dont even have time ro react and fight back.

If you're stamblade using the meta, then ganking requires 0 skill. With magicka NBs, you don't have proc sets doing all the work for you, so it's harder.

You could use no proc sets and gank just as hard as a nb with proc sets. Difference being your abilitys will deal a ton of damage instead of having medocire hitting abilitys with procs.

I'll back up my statement with facts. Spriggans with Clever Alchemist can produce Incap's of 12-14k in pvp. With proc sets your looking at 8-9k Incaps (im talking crits).

Sure proc sets are good but there are some forum gankers here who use no proc sets and kill targets with 25k-30k health in heavy just as easy.

Mentioning "skill" is pretty redundant since this game is not hard to play, its just the people who lack knowledge end up lacking in performance. If you want skill go play a game with an actual competitive scene such as LoL, HotS, CS:GO, etc.

PrinceRyzen · November 2016

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Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

On the topic of magblade ganking, is clever alchemist a requirement for the heavy attack build?

It's appealing because it allows me to use destro + 2X 5 piece sets and monster set. I'm just wondering if there's a comparable set that doesn't require consumables.

I'm not sure if there's anything else with the back bar benefit for ganking.

I personally think it's BiS and irreplaceable for magicka nb ganking as it's really the only set you can back bar to proc. I don't use the exact build in that video anymore, but what I'm currently testing is two clever alchemist swords, 3 body pieces, 1 ilambris, 1 kena, 2 torugs, 3 willpower.

Obviously the torugs and willpower can be replaced with elegance or another five piece.

And in case anyone wanted to know-ice ganking was a bust lol. I tried using heavy frost attack from a sharpened maelstrom ice staff into the ice clench to try to proc winterborn. I was hopeful the damage shield from the frost attack would proc infernal guardian as well so I could be like the stam gankers using proc sets but on the magicka side lol. Needless to say guardian doesn't proc off of the frost bonus shield and winterborn is pretty unreliable. So in my head (when everything procced) it looked like heavy attack+meteors+frozen from clench+winterborn+soul harvest and in practice it looked more like no AP .

Yep. Kinda what I figured. Just hoped there was a chance at variety there. I guess now it comes down to what I'll use with it.

Any idea how clever + necropotence would perform vs elegant or willpower?

Lastly, I'm purely destro, as I really don't like dw for magic. Are you melee ganking?

No, I am destro as well, I just prefer to be in melee range. You can go ahead and use swallow soul/destructive reach and soul assault instead though, just not my style.

Necropotence is nice but I've found shadow image to not always stay stealthed. What ends up happening is the shade will shoot and give you away if you aren't really conscious of what you're doing (need to constantly cloak not just crouch). If you can get the hang of it though it's a nice setup and gives a decent damage increase for sure.

The lack of variety is disheartening; believe me I've tried really bizarre setups and they just don't really compare to the standard.

Ok, I'll definitely test out Necro. I use shade a ton so i figured it could work if the damage is there.

Btw, the reason I thought you might be melee was because you listed 2 swords in your setup. Didn't realize it was for the back bar. I've yet to run without resto in pvp.

It'll probably be a challenge but I'm hoping to have ganking potential while still being decent in a "prolonged" fight. Healing Ward, dampen + necro could offer a glass tank sone durability..

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

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Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

On the topic of magblade ganking, is clever alchemist a requirement for the heavy attack build?

It's appealing because it allows me to use destro + 2X 5 piece sets and monster set. I'm just wondering if there's a comparable set that doesn't require consumables.

I'm not sure if there's anything else with the back bar benefit for ganking.

I personally think it's BiS and irreplaceable for magicka nb ganking as it's really the only set you can back bar to proc. I don't use the exact build in that video anymore, but what I'm currently testing is two clever alchemist swords, 3 body pieces, 1 ilambris, 1 kena, 2 torugs, 3 willpower.

Obviously the torugs and willpower can be replaced with elegance or another five piece.

And in case anyone wanted to know-ice ganking was a bust lol. I tried using heavy frost attack from a sharpened maelstrom ice staff into the ice clench to try to proc winterborn. I was hopeful the damage shield from the frost attack would proc infernal guardian as well so I could be like the stam gankers using proc sets but on the magicka side lol. Needless to say guardian doesn't proc off of the frost bonus shield and winterborn is pretty unreliable. So in my head (when everything procced) it looked like heavy attack+meteors+frozen from clench+winterborn+soul harvest and in practice it looked more like no AP .

Yep. Kinda what I figured. Just hoped there was a chance at variety there. I guess now it comes down to what I'll use with it.

Any idea how clever + necropotence would perform vs elegant or willpower?

Lastly, I'm purely destro, as I really don't like dw for magic. Are you melee ganking?

No, I am destro as well, I just prefer to be in melee range. You can go ahead and use swallow soul/destructive reach and soul assault instead though, just not my style.

Necropotence is nice but I've found shadow image to not always stay stealthed. What ends up happening is the shade will shoot and give you away if you aren't really conscious of what you're doing (need to constantly cloak not just crouch). If you can get the hang of it though it's a nice setup and gives a decent damage increase for sure.

The lack of variety is disheartening; believe me I've tried really bizarre setups and they just don't really compare to the standard.

Ok, I'll definitely test out Necro. I use shade a ton so i figured it could work if the damage is there.

Btw, the reason I thought you might be melee was because you listed 2 swords in your setup. Didn't realize it was for the back bar. I've yet to run without resto in pvp.

It'll probably be a challenge but I'm hoping to have ganking potential while still being decent in a "prolonged" fight. Healing Ward, dampen + necro could offer a glass tank sone durability..

My biggest advice for you is to make sure siphoning strikes and swallow soul are somewhere then on your bar. I've had to do prolonged fights against very good dk tanks and those two were the skills that saved me for sure.

I'm still getting used to running swords instead; my dps has gone up but I feel even more vulnerable than before haha. And good luck with necro! The damage is certainly there.

ScooberSteve · November 2016

Could be worse at least his not a proctard

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Could be worse at least his not a proctard

she*
And no, I will never be a "proctard" nor a stam player for that matter.

PrinceRyzen · November 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

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Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

On the topic of magblade ganking, is clever alchemist a requirement for the heavy attack build?

It's appealing because it allows me to use destro + 2X 5 piece sets and monster set. I'm just wondering if there's a comparable set that doesn't require consumables.

I'm not sure if there's anything else with the back bar benefit for ganking.

I personally think it's BiS and irreplaceable for magicka nb ganking as it's really the only set you can back bar to proc. I don't use the exact build in that video anymore, but what I'm currently testing is two clever alchemist swords, 3 body pieces, 1 ilambris, 1 kena, 2 torugs, 3 willpower.

Obviously the torugs and willpower can be replaced with elegance or another five piece.

And in case anyone wanted to know-ice ganking was a bust lol. I tried using heavy frost attack from a sharpened maelstrom ice staff into the ice clench to try to proc winterborn. I was hopeful the damage shield from the frost attack would proc infernal guardian as well so I could be like the stam gankers using proc sets but on the magicka side lol. Needless to say guardian doesn't proc off of the frost bonus shield and winterborn is pretty unreliable. So in my head (when everything procced) it looked like heavy attack+meteors+frozen from clench+winterborn+soul harvest and in practice it looked more like no AP .

Yep. Kinda what I figured. Just hoped there was a chance at variety there. I guess now it comes down to what I'll use with it.

Any idea how clever + necropotence would perform vs elegant or willpower?

Lastly, I'm purely destro, as I really don't like dw for magic. Are you melee ganking?

No, I am destro as well, I just prefer to be in melee range. You can go ahead and use swallow soul/destructive reach and soul assault instead though, just not my style.

Necropotence is nice but I've found shadow image to not always stay stealthed. What ends up happening is the shade will shoot and give you away if you aren't really conscious of what you're doing (need to constantly cloak not just crouch). If you can get the hang of it though it's a nice setup and gives a decent damage increase for sure.

The lack of variety is disheartening; believe me I've tried really bizarre setups and they just don't really compare to the standard.

Ok, I'll definitely test out Necro. I use shade a ton so i figured it could work if the damage is there.

Btw, the reason I thought you might be melee was because you listed 2 swords in your setup. Didn't realize it was for the back bar. I've yet to run without resto in pvp.

It'll probably be a challenge but I'm hoping to have ganking potential while still being decent in a "prolonged" fight. Healing Ward, dampen + necro could offer a glass tank sone durability..

My biggest advice for you is to make sure siphoning strikes and swallow soul are somewhere then on your bar. I've had to do prolonged fights against very good dk tanks and those two were the skills that saved me for sure.

I'm still getting used to running swords instead; my dps has gone up but I feel even more vulnerable than before haha. And good luck with necro! The damage is certainly there.

Those are two staples. No question. Although magdk wings can be a nuisance.

As for dw/destro, are you liking that more than destro/resto? Better yet, is it viable (perhaps not optimal) in duels?

Alucardo · November 2016

Man, I really gotta respec my stamblade for magicka. So many times I've seen like 20-40 AD grouped up around a resource flag and wanted to dive in and blow up as many as I could.

Then the realisation of AOE caps crossed my mind and I stayed stamina.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

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Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

On the topic of magblade ganking, is clever alchemist a requirement for the heavy attack build?

It's appealing because it allows me to use destro + 2X 5 piece sets and monster set. I'm just wondering if there's a comparable set that doesn't require consumables.

I'm not sure if there's anything else with the back bar benefit for ganking.

I personally think it's BiS and irreplaceable for magicka nb ganking as it's really the only set you can back bar to proc. I don't use the exact build in that video anymore, but what I'm currently testing is two clever alchemist swords, 3 body pieces, 1 ilambris, 1 kena, 2 torugs, 3 willpower.

Obviously the torugs and willpower can be replaced with elegance or another five piece.

And in case anyone wanted to know-ice ganking was a bust lol. I tried using heavy frost attack from a sharpened maelstrom ice staff into the ice clench to try to proc winterborn. I was hopeful the damage shield from the frost attack would proc infernal guardian as well so I could be like the stam gankers using proc sets but on the magicka side lol. Needless to say guardian doesn't proc off of the frost bonus shield and winterborn is pretty unreliable. So in my head (when everything procced) it looked like heavy attack+meteors+frozen from clench+winterborn+soul harvest and in practice it looked more like no AP .

Yep. Kinda what I figured. Just hoped there was a chance at variety there. I guess now it comes down to what I'll use with it.

Any idea how clever + necropotence would perform vs elegant or willpower?

Lastly, I'm purely destro, as I really don't like dw for magic. Are you melee ganking?

No, I am destro as well, I just prefer to be in melee range. You can go ahead and use swallow soul/destructive reach and soul assault instead though, just not my style.

Necropotence is nice but I've found shadow image to not always stay stealthed. What ends up happening is the shade will shoot and give you away if you aren't really conscious of what you're doing (need to constantly cloak not just crouch). If you can get the hang of it though it's a nice setup and gives a decent damage increase for sure.

The lack of variety is disheartening; believe me I've tried really bizarre setups and they just don't really compare to the standard.

Ok, I'll definitely test out Necro. I use shade a ton so i figured it could work if the damage is there.

Btw, the reason I thought you might be melee was because you listed 2 swords in your setup. Didn't realize it was for the back bar. I've yet to run without resto in pvp.

It'll probably be a challenge but I'm hoping to have ganking potential while still being decent in a "prolonged" fight. Healing Ward, dampen + necro could offer a glass tank sone durability..

My biggest advice for you is to make sure siphoning strikes and swallow soul are somewhere then on your bar. I've had to do prolonged fights against very good dk tanks and those two were the skills that saved me for sure.

I'm still getting used to running swords instead; my dps has gone up but I feel even more vulnerable than before haha. And good luck with necro! The damage is certainly there.

Those are two staples. No question. Although magdk wings can be a nuisance.

As for dw/destro, are you liking that more than destro/resto? Better yet, is it viable (perhaps not optimal) in duels?

In duels no, not against competent players at least, but it's moreso due to the lack of regen and healing than it is to wearing clever alchemist or having dw/destro.

As for dw vs resto, I've yet to see that big of a difference, but I'm going to give it another week or so and try out some different 5 piece options with it (replacing the torugs and willpower then) before swapping back. Resto just saves me more than the extra damage helps me, if that makes sense. I love the resto ultimate because if I'm in a sticky situation I almost always have enough to pop that, a ward, and take off even with all of the projectiles hitting me through cloak.

Wings and infernal guardian procs are the bane of my existence as a nb in Cyrodiil, though wings not so much as I can at least see that and adjust accordingly.

Force-Siphon · November 2016

Just saw this post but I came up with a very similar thing (heavy attack gank build) and have been having a lot of fun, magblade ganking is harder than Stam, but ganking without proc sets feels so nice. It has inherent weaknesses that stamblade doesn't have like not having the procs to finish off someone with high mitigation for example, and weak escapability compared to Stam so it's definitely not something that can become meta IMO when stamblade is simply stronger and waaaaaaay easier with procs, Rapids, etc.

Also you can tell where the ganking meta is at the moment when 99% of people who pop you are bow stamblades running around with detect pots or spamming magelight to empower. Also people in heavy armor will cut your damage significantly with heavy attack build so you have to choose your targets really carefully...something that a stamblade doesn't have to do quite as much and find myself spending more time looking for targets than my Stam friends so it can get a little slow after awhile. It's a fun play style I chose knowing I would be really gimped compared to my Stam friends overall even though I have more burst on low mitigation players, I'm cool with it though bc I don't main nb anyway lol

Hitting 26k heavy is pretty nice when I'm triggered from pvp and just wanna take it out on people but if I was gonna main a ganker it wouldn't be magicka. Keep it up not a lot of us out there trying to make mag ganking work at the moment

Dark_Star · November 2016

Started ganking on my mag nb again and i've been having alot of fun with it.

pcar944 · November 2016

don't ever listen to naysayers

*** them

I'm doing same thing except I'm using DW, but the staff one is more efficient it seems

the other thing is, don't forget about Crippling Grasp, as if they have a little more health, you can heavy into it and keep them down for another heavy

and one last thing, there is this poison, that immobilizes people for 5.5 seconds, consider that if you don't want to use Crippling Grasp

and you can also slot a execute, imaple is a nice finisher

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

pcar944 wrote: »

don't ever listen to naysayers

*** them

I'm doing same thing except I'm using DW, but the staff one is more efficient it seems

the other thing is, don't forget about Crippling Grasp, as if they have a little more health, you can heavy into it and keep them down for another heavy

and one last thing, there is this poison, that immobilizes people for 5.5 seconds, consider that if you don't want to use Crippling Grasp

and you can also slot a execute, imaple is a nice finisher

I've swapped around the siphoning ability on my bar quite a bit-keep in mind this video is old, I think a couple days ago someone just stumbled upon it and it was a slight necro, not that I mind but I probably should edit that in somewhere lol.

Crippling grasp is nice for the dot and immobilize, but I never want to have to do more than my opening combo tbh. And most of the time I don't have to. I actually prefer having malefic wrath on my bar to cast that after the soul harvest if they aren't dead so I can get a concealed or impale in before they have a chance to block, dodge, or heal.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

Force-Siphon wrote: »

Just saw this post but I came up with a very similar thing (heavy attack gank build) and have been having a lot of fun, magblade ganking is harder than Stam, but ganking without proc sets feels so nice. It has inherent weaknesses that stamblade doesn't have like not having the procs to finish off someone with high mitigation for example, and weak escapability compared to Stam so it's definitely not something that can become meta IMO when stamblade is simply stronger and waaaaaaay easier with procs, Rapids, etc.

Also you can tell where the ganking meta is at the moment when 99% of people who pop you are bow stamblades running around with detect pots or spamming magelight to empower. Also people in heavy armor will cut your damage significantly with heavy attack build so you have to choose your targets really carefully...something that a stamblade doesn't have to do quite as much and find myself spending more time looking for targets than my Stam friends so it can get a little slow after awhile. It's a fun play style I chose knowing I would be really gimped compared to my Stam friends overall even though I have more burst on low mitigation players, I'm cool with it though bc I don't main nb anyway lol

Hitting 26k heavy is pretty nice when I'm triggered from pvp and just wanna take it out on people but if I was gonna main a ganker it wouldn't be magicka. Keep it up not a lot of us out there trying to make mag ganking work at the moment

Thanks, I haven't been in pvp as much lately (the video is like two months old I believe), but it's not due to the build or even the meta, but rather the lag and infernal guardian.

I'd have to disagree that magblade ganking is harder; personally I think it's just different with each having their pros and cons. For stam, it's nice because you can hold the bow heavy to time it exactly when you want whereas with magicka I have to count out wings/shields and hope the target doesn't recast it before they're up. It's a lot tinier of a window for sure.

That being said, as a magicka ganker my heavy attacks can hit quite a fair amount higher than stam bow attacks. I also have permacloak, purge, healing ward (not anymore but in that video I used it), shadow image, and can use rapids quite freely as I don't need stam for attacking. So I'd say my escapability is better.

Stam users don't need proc sets to gank, though I suppose it makes it easier on them lol. @GreenSoup2HoT knows more about stam ganking than I do. Their post is just a few before yours if you're interested

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Kutsuu · November 2016

Magblade escapability is bad compared to stam? I'm flabbergasted, but I shouldn't be. This is the official forum after all.

Kutsuu · November 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Force-Siphon wrote: »

Just saw this post but I came up with a very similar thing (heavy attack gank build) and have been having a lot of fun, magblade ganking is harder than Stam, but ganking without proc sets feels so nice. It has inherent weaknesses that stamblade doesn't have like not having the procs to finish off someone with high mitigation for example, and weak escapability compared to Stam so it's definitely not something that can become meta IMO when stamblade is simply stronger and waaaaaaay easier with procs, Rapids, etc.

Also you can tell where the ganking meta is at the moment when 99% of people who pop you are bow stamblades running around with detect pots or spamming magelight to empower. Also people in heavy armor will cut your damage significantly with heavy attack build so you have to choose your targets really carefully...something that a stamblade doesn't have to do quite as much and find myself spending more time looking for targets than my Stam friends so it can get a little slow after awhile. It's a fun play style I chose knowing I would be really gimped compared to my Stam friends overall even though I have more burst on low mitigation players, I'm cool with it though bc I don't main nb anyway lol

Hitting 26k heavy is pretty nice when I'm triggered from pvp and just wanna take it out on people but if I was gonna main a ganker it wouldn't be magicka. Keep it up not a lot of us out there trying to make mag ganking work at the moment

Thanks, I haven't been in pvp as much lately (the video is like two months old I believe), but it's not due to the build or even the meta, but rather the lag and infernal guardian.

I'd have to disagree that magblade ganking is harder; personally I think it's just different with each having their pros and cons. For stam, it's nice because you can hold the bow heavy to time it exactly when you want whereas with magicka I have to count out wings/shields and hope the target doesn't recast it before they're up. It's a lot tinier of a window for sure.

That being said, as a magicka ganker my heavy attacks can hit quite a fair amount higher than stam bow attacks. I also have permacloak, purge, healing ward (not anymore but in that video I used it), shadow image, and can use rapids quite freely as I don't need stam for attacking. So I'd say my escapability is better.

Stam users don't need proc sets to gank, though I suppose it makes it easier on them lol. @GreenSoup2HoT knows more about stam ganking than I do. Their post is just a few before yours if you're interested .

Yeah it's doable without procs. Maybe not quite as good but 100% doable.

Made this video with full Impen and Serpent Mundus. It's a lot nastier damage-wise if you min/max shadow with divines and have more CPs for crit damage (I only have like 15 points in that star).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyMGkC0pIY

Kutsuu · November 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

So what do you think, does ganking require skill? I'll be honnest with you, i watched video, and I try hard to see some skill, but i dont. All I see is invisible guy oneshoting people and dissapearing right after kill. They dont even have time ro react and fight back.

If you're stamblade using the meta, then ganking requires 0 skill. With magicka NBs, you don't have proc sets doing all the work for you, so it's harder.

You could use no proc sets and gank just as hard as a nb with proc sets. Difference being your abilitys will deal a ton of damage instead of having medocire hitting abilitys with procs.

I'll back up my statement with facts. Spriggans with Clever Alchemist can produce Incap's of 12-14k in pvp. With proc sets your looking at 8-9k Incaps (im talking crits).

Sure proc sets are good but there are some forum gankers here who use no proc sets and kill targets with 25k-30k health in heavy just as easy.

Mentioning "skill" is pretty redundant since this game is not hard to play, its just the people who lack knowledge end up lacking in performance. If you want skill go play a game with an actual competitive scene such as LoL, HotS, CS:GO, etc.

Spriggan + Clever, with shadow/divines, 50+ points in crit damage CP star, I would expect incap crits ranging from 12k on the heaviest high impen targets up to 18k on anything you overpenetrate with no impen (assuming crits). I'll try to get some footage of my damage now that I'm starting to min/max the crits a little more. I'm even seeing 10k non-crit incaps, but still going to be down on damage with my sub 400 CPs.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

@Kutsuu great video and good info for people who think ganking=stam proc sets. May I ask why you went full impen? Was it just to see if it was doable without divines and the shadow mundus or for the survivability if things went south?

And agreed to the whole magblade vs stamblade escapability

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GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

So what do you think, does ganking require skill? I'll be honnest with you, i watched video, and I try hard to see some skill, but i dont. All I see is invisible guy oneshoting people and dissapearing right after kill. They dont even have time ro react and fight back.

If you're stamblade using the meta, then ganking requires 0 skill. With magicka NBs, you don't have proc sets doing all the work for you, so it's harder.

You could use no proc sets and gank just as hard as a nb with proc sets. Difference being your abilitys will deal a ton of damage instead of having medocire hitting abilitys with procs.

I'll back up my statement with facts. Spriggans with Clever Alchemist can produce Incap's of 12-14k in pvp. With proc sets your looking at 8-9k Incaps (im talking crits).

Sure proc sets are good but there are some forum gankers here who use no proc sets and kill targets with 25k-30k health in heavy just as easy.

Mentioning "skill" is pretty redundant since this game is not hard to play, its just the people who lack knowledge end up lacking in performance. If you want skill go play a game with an actual competitive scene such as LoL, HotS, CS:GO, etc.

Spriggan + Clever, with shadow/divines, 50+ points in crit damage CP star, I would expect incap crits ranging from 12k on the heaviest high impen targets up to 18k on anything you overpenetrate with no impen (assuming crits). I'll try to get some footage of my damage now that I'm starting to min/max the crits a little more. I'm even seeing 10k non-crit incaps, but still going to be down on damage with my sub 400 CPs.

It was a broad estimation. All i was getting at is you dont need proc sets to gank effectively. Your video proves it is do-able without them. No need to provide numbers. (Disclaimer to anyone reading: stacking proc sets are still an issue. Don't be thinking im pro proc stack or anything.)

I could post a ganking video myself of me wiping the floor with 30k hp heavies as a dw/2h user but i just havent got around to recording any footage because i honestly dont really care to. I have nothing to prove, people who know me know how i do

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Kutsuu · November 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

@Kutsuu great video and good info for people who think ganking=stam proc sets. May I ask why you went full impen? Was it just to see if it was doable without divines and the shadow mundus or for the survivability if things went south?

And agreed to the whole magblade vs stamblade escapability .

This build is very dangerous for up to the 15 second duration of clever alchemist, and I wanted to be able to Xv1 a bit during that period without getting melted by a single critical hit ultimate. It was more valuable to me than the extra 6% crit damage. I did swap back to Shadow though, just too valuable for opener damage.

Kutsuu · November 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

So what do you think, does ganking require skill? I'll be honnest with you, i watched video, and I try hard to see some skill, but i dont. All I see is invisible guy oneshoting people and dissapearing right after kill. They dont even have time ro react and fight back.

If you're stamblade using the meta, then ganking requires 0 skill. With magicka NBs, you don't have proc sets doing all the work for you, so it's harder.

You could use no proc sets and gank just as hard as a nb with proc sets. Difference being your abilitys will deal a ton of damage instead of having medocire hitting abilitys with procs.

I'll back up my statement with facts. Spriggans with Clever Alchemist can produce Incap's of 12-14k in pvp. With proc sets your looking at 8-9k Incaps (im talking crits).

Sure proc sets are good but there are some forum gankers here who use no proc sets and kill targets with 25k-30k health in heavy just as easy.

Mentioning "skill" is pretty redundant since this game is not hard to play, its just the people who lack knowledge end up lacking in performance. If you want skill go play a game with an actual competitive scene such as LoL, HotS, CS:GO, etc.

Spriggan + Clever, with shadow/divines, 50+ points in crit damage CP star, I would expect incap crits ranging from 12k on the heaviest high impen targets up to 18k on anything you overpenetrate with no impen (assuming crits). I'll try to get some footage of my damage now that I'm starting to min/max the crits a little more. I'm even seeing 10k non-crit incaps, but still going to be down on damage with my sub 400 CPs.

It was a broad estimation. All i was getting at is you dont need proc sets to gank effectively. Your video proves it is do-able without them. No need to provide numbers. (Disclaimer to anyone reading: stacking proc sets are still an issue. Don't be thinking im pro proc stack or anything.)

I could post a ganking video myself of me wiping the floor with 30k hp heavies as a dw/2h user but i just havent got around to recording any footage because i honestly dont really care to. I have nothing to prove, people who know me know how i do .

I wasn't disagreeing with you, merely expanding on what you said and giving some values to my claims.

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Czirne wrote: »

So what do you think, does ganking require skill? I'll be honnest with you, i watched video, and I try hard to see some skill, but i dont. All I see is invisible guy oneshoting people and dissapearing right after kill. They dont even have time ro react and fight back.

If you're stamblade using the meta, then ganking requires 0 skill. With magicka NBs, you don't have proc sets doing all the work for you, so it's harder.

You could use no proc sets and gank just as hard as a nb with proc sets. Difference being your abilitys will deal a ton of damage instead of having medocire hitting abilitys with procs.

I'll back up my statement with facts. Spriggans with Clever Alchemist can produce Incap's of 12-14k in pvp. With proc sets your looking at 8-9k Incaps (im talking crits).

Sure proc sets are good but there are some forum gankers here who use no proc sets and kill targets with 25k-30k health in heavy just as easy.

Mentioning "skill" is pretty redundant since this game is not hard to play, its just the people who lack knowledge end up lacking in performance. If you want skill go play a game with an actual competitive scene such as LoL, HotS, CS:GO, etc.

Spriggan + Clever, with shadow/divines, 50+ points in crit damage CP star, I would expect incap crits ranging from 12k on the heaviest high impen targets up to 18k on anything you overpenetrate with no impen (assuming crits). I'll try to get some footage of my damage now that I'm starting to min/max the crits a little more. I'm even seeing 10k non-crit incaps, but still going to be down on damage with my sub 400 CPs.

It was a broad estimation. All i was getting at is you dont need proc sets to gank effectively. Your video proves it is do-able without them. No need to provide numbers. (Disclaimer to anyone reading: stacking proc sets are still an issue. Don't be thinking im pro proc stack or anything.)

I could post a ganking video myself of me wiping the floor with 30k hp heavies as a dw/2h user but i just havent got around to recording any footage because i honestly dont really care to. I have nothing to prove, people who know me know how i do .

I wasn't disagreeing with you, merely expanding on what you said and giving some values to my claims.

I was just replying to you for expanding on what i said, i hope i didn't sound like i was apposed to your reply. I'm sorry.