Bound aegis (sorc skill)

MalakithAlamahdi · September 2016

Good day lads and girl's,

I've had a magicka sorc for over a year now, but haven't really started playing it since DB came life, which probably is the worst time ever to do so.

However, I don't really understand the role of bound aegis is PvP, it takes you 2 slots, gives resistance that gets negated by a simple sharpened weapon, but gives you 8% more max magicka. But for this you can just slot inner light, which takes 1 slot, can reveal NB's, gives crit, 2% regen (passive) and can empower your spell's, still giving 5% Max magicka.

Is it me or is bound aegis just a wasted spell when it comes to PvP? If not, I would really like to know it's role on a PvP build. If others don't see it's role either I have some suggestions, which I want your feedback on.

Right, suggestion one:
Make it a passive skill like magelight, so you can put it in one bar and get its buff, that way it won't always cost you a second slot as recasting it every time you weapon swap seems a waste to me.

Suggestion two:
Make the 8% max magicka passive when you got it on your bar, but make the armor it gives a major buff you got to cast, lasting for 30 seconds or so. The cost of casting can be bumped up a bit to bring it more in line with other buffs. That way it would be a bit like the Templar rune, but giving you mag magicka instead of regen. The only problem with this one is fighting form, which also gives a major buff. Instead make this the minor buff, keep the speed bonus and perhaps buff it's damage a little bit.

Suggestions three:
Keep it the way it is but instead of giving you the armor, making it so that it gives that value in spell penetration or give it 8% more damage like the NB skill has with the spectral bow (forgot the name for a sec).

Please let me know what you think about this spell and perhaps my suggestion of how to change it. Or if you got a better idea for it.

Thanks for your time!

Beardimus · September 2016

Comparing inner light and aegis isn't comparing apples for apples. It's not a this or that decision, you could run both. Or say you want the anti-gank power of Radiant Magelight then you can draw your pool via BA. I dont know that many PvP MinMaxers run it though, but depends on your whole setup I guess

Your Option 1 would be awesome, so it didn't take up slots on all bars. But I think this thread will light up with people declaring that would be OP!

SorataArisugawa · September 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

Comparing inner light and aegis isn't comparing apples for apples. It's not a this or that decision, you could run both. Or say you want the anti-gank power of Radiant Magelight then you can draw your pool via BA. I dont know that many PvP MinMaxers run it though, but depends on your whole setup I guess

Your Option 1 would be awesome, so it didn't take up slots on all bars. But I think this thread will light up with people declaring that would be OP!

Yeah... but there are passives in the skilltrees of the other classes, that do even more. I know it is the way of the mixture, that counts, but it wont be OP...

Beardimus · September 2016

No I agree, I definitely don't think its OP. Nor is anything Sorc right now

but I'm sure some will think it is!

jhharvest · September 2016

Yeah, I don't have anywhere close enough slots to run Aegis in PVP.

My suggestion for sorc toggles would be to allow you to slot your toggles to your overload bar and have them be active whenever you have enough ulti to activate overload. Sorcs have too many toggles, this would take them burden of them out, kinda. Too OP? Eh, maybe.

MalakithAlamahdi · September 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

No I agree, I definitely don't think its OP. Nor is anything Sorc right now but I'm sure some will think it is!

I dare to whoever calls it OP to run a mag sorc this or next patch

I think the skill is a bit sad, it's a class skill yet a skill everyone has access to is better in pretty much all ways, that's why I think it needs a small change so it's more in line rune focus and spiked armor. You could say lightning form is the sorc skill for that but then I still fail to see a place for aegis, it just isn't worth 2 slots on your bar right now imo

At least there are no nerf sorc comments yet!

Beardimus · September 2016

True dat!. Honestly BA as a non toggle, improving Dark Conversion as a dexent class heal would help so much.

Add pets as a non toggle too and BADDUM quite a few happy Sorc's

Lord_Hev · September 2016

Pets absolutely need to be made into true summons.(and stop being called pets ffs) They should be duration-based just like all the other TES games this game is based off of, and as it were in Beta.... That's right, our summons were actual summons on PTS.... Why they were made stupid pet toggles is beyond me. What a horrible design.

Nightblades get free 8% magic through a passive, meanwhile Sorcerers have to slot it on both bars. #Logic It should be the other way around as far as I'm concerned. Sorcerers are supposed to be running around with the massive magic pools, but weak in health and stam. NB passives and design further encourage more evened stats. They do not deserve free magic when it's Sorcs that require it.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2016

It's an odd skill for sure, the mitigation is indeed pointless, but it's a useful skill all the same; 8% more magicka is not to be sniffed at. Inner light also needs to be double bar'd to get the magicka boost on both bars. Many sorcs slot both Inner Light and Bound Aegis for pve, I do this for vma and have 44k magicka. Only leaves 3 slots per bar for other skills but you don't need that many skills to do damage and stay alive. It's not a pvp skill though.

Jar_Ek · September 2016

Bound Armour in both flavours has been discussed many times and it could do with the magelight treatment, in that it should have a passive and active effect.
Generally Bound Aegis active should be a useful defensive mechanic - such as a protection buff or a shield duration buff.
Bound Armaments active should have a useful offensive mechanic - such as a berserk buff, or a fast, single target damage attack.

IMO if they get an active and passive effect, then both should be resource agnostic (stamina or magicka) if at all possible - boosting the higher of the two resources by default.

Cathexis · September 2016

@Jar_Ek i would love to see BA give a berserk buff and/or a shorter range high damage low cost no min range gap close.

Maybe something like..

Minor Berserk?
0-(10-15m) range (no base)
Competitive base damage
Crit rush style % damage increase over distance.
Low stam cost (maybe increase cost at low range?)

Just an idea, might be too op, but the GENERAL concept would be to allow high mobility in a crowd at minimal cost which also doubles for single target burst at a higher cost.

Apherius · September 2016

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Good day lads and girl's,

I've had a magicka sorc for over a year now, but haven't really started playing it since DB came life, which probably is the worst time ever to do so.

However, I don't really understand the role of bound aegis is PvP, it takes you 2 slots, gives resistance that gets negated by a simple sharpened weapon, but gives you 8% more max magicka. But for this you can just slot inner light, which takes 1 slot, can reveal NB's, gives crit, 2% regen (passive) and can empower your spell's, still giving 5% Max magicka.

Is it me or is bound aegis just a wasted spell when it comes to PvP? If not, I would really like to know it's role on a PvP build. If others don't see it's role either I have some suggestions, which I want your feedback on.

Right, suggestion one:
Make it a passive skill like magelight, so you can put it in one bar and get its buff, that way it won't always cost you a second slot as recasting it every time you weapon swap seems a waste to me.

Suggestion two:
Make the 8% max magicka passive when you got it on your bar, but make the armor it gives a major buff you got to cast, lasting for 30 seconds or so. The cost of casting can be bumped up a bit to bring it more in line with other buffs. That way it would be a bit like the Templar rune, but giving you mag magicka instead of regen. The only problem with this one is fighting form, which also gives a major buff. Instead make this the minor buff, keep the speed bonus and perhaps buff it's damage a little bit.

Suggestions three:
Keep it the way it is but instead of giving you the armor, making it so that it gives that value in spell penetration or give it 8% more damage like the NB skill has with the spectral bow (forgot the name for a sec).

Please let me know what you think about this spell and perhaps my suggestion of how to change it. Or if you got a better idea for it.

Thanks for your time!

for the suggetion two , you say that the bound aegis should be cast every 30 second ? Please man , i know you play pvp but ... if it's this ... don't forgot PVE player ..; we play with this , and recast it will destroy the pve sorc , and make him even worse .

for the suggestion 1 , yes , but we should have the Buff in the second bar too ... we are the second class with big mana cost ... switch between bar with bound aegis and innter light we would lose 2K mana per switch of bar ...

for the suggestion three YES I AGREE ! please ! this is a very good idea .

Beardimus · September 2016

Interesting points indeed @Lord_Hev !

Nestor · September 2016

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

bound aegis is PvP, it takes you 2 slots, gives resistance that gets negated by a simple sharpened weapon, but gives you 8% more max magicka. But for this you can just slot inner light, which takes 1 slot,....so you can put it in one bar and get its buff, that way it won't always cost you a second slot as recasting it every time you weapon swap seems a waste to me.

Since when does Inner Light have an effect on a Bar that it is not slotted on?

MalakithAlamahdi · September 2016

Apherius wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Good day lads and girl's,

I've had a magicka sorc for over a year now, but haven't really started playing it since DB came life, which probably is the worst time ever to do so.

However, I don't really understand the role of bound aegis is PvP, it takes you 2 slots, gives resistance that gets negated by a simple sharpened weapon, but gives you 8% more max magicka. But for this you can just slot inner light, which takes 1 slot, can reveal NB's, gives crit, 2% regen (passive) and can empower your spell's, still giving 5% Max magicka.

Is it me or is bound aegis just a wasted spell when it comes to PvP? If not, I would really like to know it's role on a PvP build. If others don't see it's role either I have some suggestions, which I want your feedback on.

Right, suggestion one:
Make it a passive skill like magelight, so you can put it in one bar and get its buff, that way it won't always cost you a second slot as recasting it every time you weapon swap seems a waste to me.

Suggestion two:
Make the 8% max magicka passive when you got it on your bar, but make the armor it gives a major buff you got to cast, lasting for 30 seconds or so. The cost of casting can be bumped up a bit to bring it more in line with other buffs. That way it would be a bit like the Templar rune, but giving you mag magicka instead of regen. The only problem with this one is fighting form, which also gives a major buff. Instead make this the minor buff, keep the speed bonus and perhaps buff it's damage a little bit.

Suggestions three:
Keep it the way it is but instead of giving you the armor, making it so that it gives that value in spell penetration or give it 8% more damage like the NB skill has with the spectral bow (forgot the name for a sec).

Please let me know what you think about this spell and perhaps my suggestion of how to change it. Or if you got a better idea for it.

Thanks for your time!

for the suggetion two , you say that the bound aegis should be cast every 30 second ? Please man , i know you play pvp but ... if it's this ... don't forgot PVE player ..; we play with this , and recast it will destroy the pve sorc , and make him even worse .

for the suggestion 1 , yes , but we should have the Buff in the second bar too ... we are the second class with big mana cost ... switch between bar with bound aegis and innter light we would lose 2K mana per switch of bar ...

for the suggestion three YES I AGREE ! please ! this is a very good idea .

For suggestion two I only meant the 30 seconds for the major armor buffs, the 8% mag magicka would still be a passive from just having it slotted. A bit like how defensive posture works. I'm personally also the biggest fan of suggestion 3 or 1 though. I don't want it to become bad in PvE either, so the extra magicka should always remain a passive from having it slotted.

Suggestion one won't make a difference for PvE, it will just make it work the way magelight does, giving you the option to put it on one bar if want that. You can of course always wear it on two

MalakithAlamahdi · September 2016

Nestor wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

bound aegis is PvP, it takes you 2 slots, gives resistance that gets negated by a simple sharpened weapon, but gives you 8% more max magicka. But for this you can just slot inner light, which takes 1 slot,....so you can put it in one bar and get its buff, that way it won't always cost you a second slot as recasting it every time you weapon swap seems a waste to me.

Since when does Inner Light have an effect on a Bar that it is not slotted on?

It doesn't, I meant that you can just slot it on the bar you need it for and have it being effective, while aegis has to be slotted on two bars to be effective because you'd need to cast it again with each weapon swap.

Gothren · October 2016

Jar_Ek wrote: »

Generally Bound Aegis active should be a useful defensive mechanic - such as a protection buff or a shield duration buff.

i like this idea. hopefully a nontoggle that gives something like minor protection and a shield size equivalent to harness magicka

Jsmalls · October 2016

Something definitely needs to be done with it I agree, but since you asked!

You can choose to run Bound Aegis instead of inner light if you choose to use spell power/crit pots in PvP. By using those pots and bound armor you have 1% more Magicka, 2% more spell damage, and 1200 (I can't remember the value of minor) more of each resistance.

3 small buffs kind of add up to something useful.

Izaki · October 2016

I'm fine with it being a toggle (damn those effects are sweet) but it really needs an active ability. Kinda like Flames of Oblivion for DKs I'd say. Also both Minor Armor buffs should be really part of the base skill.

raasdal · October 2016

Stamsorcs slot Bound Armor (both versions are good), to get the Daedric Passive for HP and Stam Regen.