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Argonian Genocide: Who Do You Think Gave The Order?

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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Pretty sure Wrobel gave the order...
  • Mojmir
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    I did, my bad
  • Abeille
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    Daraugh wrote: »
    @Abeille can you link or quote any evidence?

    Right now I'm on my phone and about 4h away from my PC, but there are other posts on this thread (mine and from other players) pointing at the relevant quests, dialogues and documents.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Daraugh
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    Abeille wrote: »
    Daraugh wrote: »
    @Abeille can you link or quote any evidence?

    Right now I'm on my phone and about 4h away from my PC, but there are other posts on this thread (mine and from other players) pointing at the relevant quests, dialogues and documents.

    I see posts about Shadowfen and the Dominion as part of quests with Cariel in Reaper's March, but the only rogue general there was the Colovian General Lavinia.
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  • Abeille
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    Daraugh wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Daraugh wrote: »
    @Abeille can you link or quote any evidence?

    Right now I'm on my phone and about 4h away from my PC, but there are other posts on this thread (mine and from other players) pointing at the relevant quests, dialogues and documents.

    I see posts about Shadowfen and the Dominion as part of quests with Cariel in Reaper's March, but the only rogue general there was the Colovian General Lavinia.

    We might be talking about different quests. The one I am talking about is about uncovering a slave smuggling scheme involving high ranked people of the three factions, and it explains both the "Dominion" and the "Covenant" presences in the Pact. You need to read everything and to wait until the enemies finish talking, though.
    The worst part is that the Pact contact is an Argonian.

    The influence of the Worm Cult is heavily hinted throughout the story too, which is why I like this theory too.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    I don't think I've done the slavery quest in Reaper's March, but as to Estre and Molag Bal...

    Here is the letter wherein Estre's ties to Mannimarco are spelled out.
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  • leeux
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    This is the quest mentioned in Reaper's March: A Traitor's Luck

    Also, this is the location: Pa'alat

    I don't remember anything more worth noting, since I did that quest more than a year and a half ago :blush:

    If you do a search for the traitor's name Krin Ren-dro on UESP you get lots matches on many notes, locations and quests that mention him.

    EDIT:
    IMO, the key is to know who wrote this letter -> Request Denied. Whomever it was, was someone in a position of power and knew of Ruuvitar's mission.
    Sadly, that letter doesn't have signature... by the language employed, it doesn't seem to be coming from a Khajiit either.
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    Edited by leeux on 27 September 2016 00:11
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  • Daraugh
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    I went back and did the quest A Traitor's Luck again. It explained why there were more troops in Stonefalls, but there wasn't a single word in any part of the dialog, letters, notes, books or npc chatter about Shadowfen. I went through everything and screenshotted every bit. There was nothing to connect Krin-Ren dro to Shadowfen. I think there was mention of Silent Mire in an earlier comment, but that's in Deshaan.

    I'm really not trying to be difficult here, just very curious to follow every lead to find who gave the order.
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    May they find the joy that has never known suffering
    May they be free from attachment and hatred
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    wasn't me
  • UrQuan
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    Daraugh wrote: »
    I went back and did the quest A Traitor's Luck again. It explained why there were more troops in Stonefalls, but there wasn't a single word in any part of the dialog, letters, notes, books or npc chatter about Shadowfen. I went through everything and screenshotted every bit. There was nothing to connect Krin-Ren dro to Shadowfen. I think there was mention of Silent Mire in an earlier comment, but that's in Deshaan.

    I'm really not trying to be difficult here, just very curious to follow every lead to find who gave the order.
    I've got a few characters who haven't done any of the EP questline yet, and now that One Tamriel has dropped they can totally go and do it. I'm very tempted to start taking one of them through it in a search for more clues on this...
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)     		Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)     		Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Naughty_Ryder
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  • WalksonGraves
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    Sometimes you have to break eggs to make an omelet
  • Necrelios
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    "Genocide" seems like a strong word here. After all, they are just beasts. I prefer to look at it like a simple culling of the overpopulated heard.
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  • UrQuan
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    WalksonGraves wrote: »
    Sometimes you have to break eggs to make an omelet
    It's like I always say. You can't make an omelet without killing a lot of people.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)     		Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)     		Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Doctordarkspawn
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    Alchemist Ruuvitar
    Ruuvatar is the most likely candidate, however as many have said it isn't that much of a stretch to say Worm Cult manuvered him in there.

    Though I personally doubt it given Ayrenn's administration is nieve enough to be betrayed not once, not twice, BUT AROUND THREE FRIGGIN TIMES from people she considers personal friends and even family. At best, it wasn't very hard for them to manuver him in there.

    Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. It's entirely possible that the Altmer consider wiping out the next generation of argonian young 'humane' because they were beast races anyway.
    Edited by Doctordarkspawn on 28 October 2016 23:04
  • Bigevilpeter
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    Tywin Lannister
  • wayfarerx
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    I'm pretty sure this thread is seditious, I'm reporting you all to the Thalmor.
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