If there was a set that made break-free and dodge roll cost magicka...

WhiteMage · September 2016

Would you use it?

Imagine a light armour set that looked a little like this, in the current game we have now:
2 piece: magicka regen
3 piece: magicka regen
4 piece: maximum magicka
5 piece: Break-free and dodge roll cost Magicka instead of Stamina.

CapuchinSeven · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

Maybe, I mean as a magic player you tend to save your stamina and make sure it's ready for break free. The issue is, that is ALL you can use it for, if you dodge roll you could have opened yourself up to a hard stun, if you pop a stamina utility you've just opened yourself up to a hard stun and so on.

So maybe, but unlikely.

Omgwtfbbq321 · September 2016

Yes, I would wear this set.

I would replace Litch with it...

Change Serpent mundus into Attronarch.
Take wasted CP out of stamina recovery and put it into magicka cost reduction.
Profit.

Although, without testing, i'm not sure how much profiting i'd be doing lol.

bebynnag · September 2016

Yes, I would wear this set.

no imagine if it was a drop set, and they introduced a (crafted) magic version of eternal hunt!

Berenhir · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

Just put Hakeijo on your armor and put like 20 points total in stam recovery and tumbling. Noone should run magicka builds with less than 14k stam in PvP.

Stamina builds can't dodge roll so much because it costs stamina. It's because they wear well fitted or medium armor with dodge roll reduction passives and have a high stamina regen.

Magicka builds can easily achieve a regeneration value that is enough to break free when needed and do an occasional meteor block/dodge roll.

If you want to counter the stamina meta, this set won't help anyone. Actually it is really really bad. It could serve as an excuse for ZOS to do nothing about balancing though...

Asmael · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

Immovable pots & tristat food all the way babe.

juhasman · September 2016

If there was be set like this then YES i would use it but in the same time I would create a threads about removing or changing it.

ToRelax · September 2016

Maybe. I'd like it better if it only affected dodge roll.

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Berenhir wrote: »

Just put Hakeijo on your armor and put like 20 points total in stam recovery and tumbling. Noone should run magicka builds with less than 14k stam in PvP.

Stamina builds can't dodge roll so much because it costs stamina. It's because they wear well fitted or medium armor with dodge roll reduction passives and have a high stamina regen.

Magicka builds can easily achieve a regeneration value that is enough to break free when needed and do an occasional meteor block/dodge roll.

If you want to counter the stamina meta, this set won't help anyone. Actually it is really really bad. It could serve as an excuse for ZOS to do nothing about balancing though...

Of course the idea isn't good for balance, but it would be extremely useful anyway. The ability to reliably survive/sustain several consecutive dodge rolls is huge.

Solariken · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

Ehhh, idk, that doesn't sound super appealing for me and the way I play.

But if there were a set that split the cost of dodge, block, and break free into half stamina and half magicka... that would be pretty interesting.

WillhelmBlack · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

...it would be the stupidest thing ZOS have ever done. Using magicka as immunity yeah but using magicka to do a dodge roll, gtfoh.

What would be the point of wasting 10-16k of a resource that otherwise could be used for fighting anyway?

Rykmaar · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

No. This set would not solve anything. The survivability issues that magicka has against stamina have nothing to do with needing more gear (there's already an extreme stamina bias with that). Rather it has everything to do with light armor passives, class skills, and weapon skills, and the combat system in general.

The roll dodge meta is the problem. There should be a separate bar for rolling/sprinting.

forcing magicka to sacrifice more damage to roll dodge more is completely unwarranted. Stamina doesn't have to sacrifice damage for 100% invincibility frames, neither should magicka.

CapuchinSeven · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

Rykmaar wrote: »

forcing magicka to sacrifice more damage to roll dodge more is completely unwarranted. Stamina doesn't have to sacrifice damage for 100% invincibility frames, neither should magicka.

I think this is the strongest point, I keep hearing that magic has better sustain and I wonder how given my stamina build has as much stamina as my magic build as magic, with more regen because with sets like Viper why do I need to worry about damage...?

I can literally count to 4 in my head and deal more burst than my magic build could ever dream of with the same or better regen.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · September 2016

Yes, I would wear this set.

This would make Lich meta x1000..assuming cost would have to be pretty high or some increasing costs for this to happen. I would love the change personally though..would Stam just go to dodge rolling / blocking then?

Hiero_Glyph · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

No, the bonus we need is: Use magicka to break-free, dodge roll (or sprint?) when your stamina is too low. This would also make it viable for stamina builds.

Minno · September 2016

Spectre eye already grants dodge chance per Magicka use. As a Templar I used it with channel focus to get dodge chance for 930 per cast.

ToRelax · September 2016

Maybe. I'd like it better if it only affected dodge roll.

Minno wrote: »

Spectre eye already grants dodge chance per Magicka use. As a Templar I used it with channel focus to get dodge chance for 930 per cast.

But it's only up 50% of the time afaik.

Minno · September 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Spectre eye already grants dodge chance per Magicka use. As a Templar I used it with channel focus to get dodge chance for 930 per cast.

But it's only up 50% of the time afaik.

Better than none or using stamina to use elude/dodge roll. Tbh, elude should be tied to an action that requires some thought to use for the huge passive you gain.

Sharee · September 2016

You know what would make me wear this set? If the 5-piece bonus also read:

"This effect is also applied to any player who attacked you in the last 5 seconds"

*evil grin*

Sandman929 · September 2016

Since we're in the golden age of death-by-armor, what if there was a magicka set that proc'd damage that wasn't an AoE, or a DoT, and wasn't complete crap?

Apherius · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

be careful man , zenimax will take your idea and do a:

2) stamina regen
3) stamina regen
4) max stamina
5) class skill use Stamina instead of magicka , and do physical damage .

Pandorii · September 2016

Why would magicka types have to sacrifice a set slot just to be able to have the same privileges as stamina? That's not balance. xD

I do like the idea of magicka based cc break. Just not as a set piece...

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

the problem with this idea is that the stamina pool isnt the problem, its multiple ways that stamina builds can have a very cheap roll cost. if i spent magica and still had the raw roll cost id just be out of magica all the time.

ToRelax · September 2016

Maybe. I'd like it better if it only affected dodge roll.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

the problem with this idea is that the stamina pool isnt the problem, its multiple ways that stamina builds can have a very cheap roll cost. if i spent magica and still had the raw roll cost id just be out of magica all the time.

Actually I don't think the discrepancy between magicka and stamina builds has anything to do with dodge rolling, except maybe for DKs. Stamina builds just have to sacrify way less to get high burst compared to magicka builds.

Cronopoly · September 2016

Yes, I would wear this set.

ToRelax wrote: »

Actually I don't think the discrepancy between magicka and stamina builds has anything to do with dodge rolling, except maybe for DKs. Stamina builds just have to sacrify way less to get high burst compared to magicka builds.

To be clear it's not Only Dodge Roll in PVP, it's additionally Sprint, CCbreak, & Block. All staples of effective tactics & survival in PVP. I still think Vigor is the most important ability in PVP for Stamina specced classes.

I had to laugh on my PVP Tank running around repeatedly providing additonal healing the zerg with Vigor where otherwise some would have easily died to Seige.

CapuchinSeven · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

Cronopoly wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Actually I don't think the discrepancy between magicka and stamina builds has anything to do with dodge rolling, except maybe for DKs. Stamina builds just have to sacrify way less to get high burst compared to magicka builds.

To be clear it's not Only Dodge Roll in PVP, it's additionally Sprint, CCbreak, & Block. All staples of effective tactics & survival in PVP. I still think Vigor is the most important ability in PVP for Stamina specced classes.

I had to laugh on my PVP Tank running around repeatedly providing additonal healing the zerg with Vigor where otherwise some would have easily died to Seige.

Controversial I know, but I honestly honestly believe Stamina should have not been given a heal. I played stamina from day one and I still think that.

I know many stamina users might not like that, but there it is. Vigor and Momentum are stupidly powerful and on my stamina Nightblade I'm back up to full health in a blink, on top of huge burst.

There are times I honestly think the healing on my stamina NB is better (that's before we even cover the fact that Momentum still works in stealth last time I checked AND can remove snares or buff weapon damage). While Ward is very nice, I can't even be 100% sure it will target me.

Armitas · September 2016

No, I would not wear this set.

I would like to wear it but without damage I won't be killing anything with it.

Lord-Otto · September 2016

Yes, I would wear this set.

Since you have to run a sustain set anyway unless you want to run dry in 20 seconds, sets like Julianos are highly impractical in PvP, anyway. Exception being magblade's DW+Lich combo.

So, this set would allow to use Shuffle, a MAJOR damage mitigation that affects shields, unlike armor. More mitigation means less shield casting, means magicka saved. Looks superior to Seducer, at least to me.

And then, besides Shuffle, you could use one of the many stamina utility skills you could dump your excessive stam into... OH, WAIT! Right, every stam skill scales with stamina, whereas only stam builds have the luxury of magicka utility dumps. But just keep crying over how magicka builds have a "free" CC break bar... x'D

That aside, if blocking is not included in that set bonus, you could always dump your stam into blocking Incap Strikes and Dawnbreakers... Arguably a HUGE advantage!

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