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This is Getting Ridiculous - Rapid Regeneration and Mutagen
GrumpyDuckling
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It just took me NINE casts of Rapid Regeneration to get it to land on our group's tank. The first eight casts repeatedly went to the same two DPS players in our four-person group.
Please ZOS, just revert Rapid Regeneration and Mutagen to the way they were before this random targeting mechanic was implemented and made this skill so inconsistent.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
Please ZOS, just revert Rapid Regeneration and Mutagen to the way they were before this random targeting mechanic was implemented and made this skill so inconsistent.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
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jakeedmundson✭✭✭✭✭agreed.... i've been using my sorc to heal for pledges lately and i can hardly hit the lowest health player with mutagen... it just seems to spam it to the same players over and over.CP690
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Chew_Magna✭✭✭I second that motion. I remember the day they broke it, I almost quit healing on my NB. I've had times where it wouldn't target a certain group member for half a dungeon or more. That plus the Funnel nerf really makes NB healing aggravating sometimes. I used to keep groups up with those two HoT's alone.4 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chew_Magna wrote: »I second that motion. I remember the day they broke it, I almost quit healing on my NB. I've had times where it wouldn't target a certain group member for half a dungeon or more. That plus the Funnel nerf really makes NB healing aggravating sometimes. I used to keep groups up with those two HoT's alone.
Agreed, it's tougher these days to heal as a Nightblade. Also the only access Nightblades have to Major Mending is via Restoration Staff heavy attacks. All the more reason we need Rapid Regen and Mutagen to work well.3 -
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✭I wish they would at least say something about it. They broke a great heal and swept it under the rug5 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I wish they would at least say something about it. They broke a great heal and swept it under the rug
You're right. It has been ignored since the change and I don't ever recall reading about the change in patch notes anywhere.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I wish they would at least say something about it. They broke a great heal and swept it under the rug
Lately ZOS hasn't been in a talkative mood, they're TOO FOCUSED on One Tamriel and Lottery Boxes.CP: 2128 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.Retired.
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »It just took me NINE casts of Rapid Regeneration to get it to land on our group's tank. The first eight casts repeatedly went to the same two DPS players in our four-person group.
I think I hit my limit with this spell last night. I don't know how many times I spammed it while standing right next to the tank but I can tell you it was more than nine. Those were some healthy DPS in my group though.Edited by wayfarerx on 25 August 2016 12:59@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion0 -
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✭This is getting annoying.Wake up, we're here. Why are you shaking? Are you ok? Wake up...1 -
Xhyros✭Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.
Has that EVER been the case though?0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Speaking of mis-targeting spells did purge and it's morphs get fixed yet ?0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.
You get an extra 5% healing for resto staff skills with a resto staff equipped from the passives. This is more then the extra nirn spell damage, even from duel swords, as that is only around 3%.0 -
Chew_Magna✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Agreed, it's tougher these days to heal as a Nightblade. Also the only access Nightblades have to Major Mending is via Restoration Staff heavy attacks. All the more reason we need Rapid Regen and Mutagen to work well.
Well, I wouldn't say it's tough really. I still think NB is the easiest healer class to play just because you can spam all day and not worry about resources. Even with the nerf and broken skill we're still very effective healers.1 -
Stiltz✭✭✭Yup it's very bad.
After banished cells yesterday one of the dps still had the dot on him from the boss fight so I stood next to him and spammed rapid regen from when he was 100% to maybe 5% then I BoL to save him--> back to 100% then back to 5% then BoL. Repeat. Repeat maybe 4-5 times before my rapid regen finally hits him. I couldn't even believe it.
I have a precise Maelstrom restoration staff so I don't have the option of not slotting rapid regen, and no, I won't use a different resto staff. I'd much rather the issue just be addressed as it's affecting the majority of healers in the game.Edited by Stiltz on 25 August 2016 20:591 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can someone please link what ZoS exactly changed regarding this skill? I've been super busy to keep up with stuff.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.
You get an extra 5% healing for resto staff skills with a resto staff equipped from the passives. This is more then the extra nirn spell damage, even from duel swords, as that is only around 3%.
It's not that, I expect it to go down, but I don't expect it to ignore the weapon in hand. Basically Rapid Regen doesn't care if I switch to a nirn sword or a sharpened sword. Nirn or sharpened yield the same heal tick even though Nirn should give a higher tick.Retired.
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Can someone please link what ZoS exactly changed regarding this skill? I've been super busy to keep up with stuff.
I don't think it was an intentional change with a patch note attached, just a bug that makes it pick targets as reliably as a drunken uncle.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Shanjijri✭✭✭✭So I am not alone with this problem... I hope Zos just fix it. I love RR/Mutagen. Great HoT. It is so annoying to spam it 456642 times to target only three players...0 -
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✭devs rarely read the forum without a in game bug ticket this is unlikely to get an address. Only when mods send them stuff or flag it does a dev look at it. Ppl tag Gina and Jessica and that's great but they are not devs.Edited by DHale on 25 August 2016 22:48Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.
You get an extra 5% healing for resto staff skills with a resto staff equipped from the passives. This is more then the extra nirn spell damage, even from duel swords, as that is only around 3%.
It's not that, I expect it to go down, but I don't expect it to ignore the weapon in hand. Basically Rapid Regen doesn't care if I switch to a nirn sword or a sharpened sword. Nirn or sharpened yield the same heal tick even though Nirn should give a higher tick.
I would like to see some evidence for this because in my experience, it does. I have used both nirn and sharpened for my back bar and I did notice a drop in healing.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.
You get an extra 5% healing for resto staff skills with a resto staff equipped from the passives. This is more then the extra nirn spell damage, even from duel swords, as that is only around 3%.
It's not that, I expect it to go down, but I don't expect it to ignore the weapon in hand. Basically Rapid Regen doesn't care if I switch to a nirn sword or a sharpened sword. Nirn or sharpened yield the same heal tick even though Nirn should give a higher tick.
I would like to see some evidence for this because in my experience, it does. I have used both nirn and sharpened for my back bar and I did notice a drop in healing.
Just tested again. It doesn't care if it's nirn sword or a sharpened sword, the heal ticks for the same. This is very easy to self test so I'm not going to take the time to make a video of it.
Bar 1 nirn sword
Bar 2 powered resto > cast RR switch to bar 1 1325 heal
Bar 1 sharpened sword
Bar 2 Powered resto > cast RR switch to bar 1 1325 healEdited by Armitas on 26 August 2016 10:31Retired.
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Also rapid regen is not recalculating heal strength from weapons that you swap too. So if you switch from a resto to a nirn weapon your Rapid Regen will not take the added spell damage into effect. That is kind of a big deal as nirn weapons are supposedly balanced against sharpened due to the fact that nirn also increase healing.
You get an extra 5% healing for resto staff skills with a resto staff equipped from the passives. This is more then the extra nirn spell damage, even from duel swords, as that is only around 3%.
It's not that, I expect it to go down, but I don't expect it to ignore the weapon in hand. Basically Rapid Regen doesn't care if I switch to a nirn sword or a sharpened sword. Nirn or sharpened yield the same heal tick even though Nirn should give a higher tick.
I would like to see some evidence for this because in my experience, it does. I have used both nirn and sharpened for my back bar and I did notice a drop in healing.
Just tested again. It doesn't care if it's nirn sword or a sharpened sword, the heal ticks for the same. This is very easy to self test so I'm not going to take the time to make a video of it.
Bar 1 nirn sword
Bar 2 powered resto > cast RR switch to bar 1 1325 heal
Bar 1 sharpened sword
Bar 2 Powered resto > cast RR switch to bar 1 1325 heal
Okay having a chance to do this my self, you are right. 2 different casts of mutagen, same result aftet switching. Something is wrong with this.
Extended ritual is working correctly. Get a small bost from the nirn weapon.
This needs to be looked at. It is not a huge difference but there is a difference nonetheless.0 -
Omgwtfbbq321✭✭✭I used to use it to help counter sheild breaker. Now I just overload spam so it becomes a "light-attack off", and hope they dont have reflect.
Removed it the very day they broke it.My ping is higher than your resource recovery...0 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »Can someone please link what ZoS exactly changed regarding this skill? I've been super busy to keep up with stuff.
as @wayfarerx said, the skill used to be a smart heal before DB patch, which means it used to heal allies who lost HP first. And it was also affecting other allies who didn't have the buff more reliably.Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!2 -
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Please, can you tell us if the Regeneration skill and its morphs will be fixed, or if anyone at ZOS is even aware of the issue?1 -
This needs a bump, very frustrating problem and even more frustrating that ZOS are just being silent on the issue.
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Rykmaar✭✭✭It's okay guys, this hasn't worked for healers for a while, but ZoS made vigor+rally better at healing than your resto staves.
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✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Can someone please link what ZoS exactly changed regarding this skill? I've been super busy to keep up with stuff.
I think it showed up after they fixed the ability to spam it
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