Kindly ask the Healer to Heal.

HoT during execute, burn while monitoring Health to Damage. Play it by ear.

...what I do, anyway.

*edit*

I mean when I'm on my Healer.

I was guilty of this last night and we wiped b/c I was not paying attention. I was very embarassed and apologised profusely. I was with a group doing much less damage than I was used to. We rezzed, I focused on healing and let the group take their time wearing the boss down. No more deaths. A hard earned lesson!

It's a L2P issue on both sides. You are right in everything you say except 1 thing. Regardless of who your DPS is they need to understand that they won't be out DPSing a Templar in an execute situation.

A bit of communication is needed between all parties really. I've made the mistake of doing what you described, but I've also saved many groups by doing it as well. The Templar needs to survey the situation and block cancel the beam, but the other group members should understand that they have a Mariano Rivera in the group and would be wise to back off a bit while the closer closes.

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sounds like it's time for you to roll a healer. Then you can slot the skills you want others to for you. Everyone has skills that will heal them in this game through class or weapon morphs. Whether they choose to take those skills or not is on them.

From a healers perspective, I toss up HoT heals and then DPS to help the group as healers ARE expected to DPS also. If they are only healing, other players will get upset that they aren't DPS'ing.

The bottom line is everyone needs to help the group. Everyone should have a heal ability or potion that they can pop at times and not rely on one player who's expected to heal/dps/debuff/buff etc. Everything that a DPS does can help a healer. When a player is standing in red and refusing to move because it will lower their DPS, they shouldn't blame the healer if they die.....

I'm not saying that's what happened with your group, but it is pretty typical of some of the dungeon runs I have been on.

And you can't always heal fast enough when one of the DPS get's one-shotted or is right beside the boss's AOE while on low health. However, they usually apologize for being clumsy. Sometimes they're just *** about heals.

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

What do you do when your healer is running out of magicka because they are dpsing too much and often late on heals. There was one instance where the templar completely stopped healing once the boss hit 30% and radiant destruction on the boss while the tank and dps all died from damage. Also the templar doesn't use shards and doesn't use repentance.... what is one to do?

I did a dungeon last night where the tank was wearing a destruction staff and proceeded to shoot lightning the entire dungeon. So this is not just a healer phenomenon.

I agree with some of your post though. People should prioritize their stated roles. That is the point of having combat roles to begin with. These players who want to perform other combat roles and do something other than what they signed up for should simply sign up as their preferred role instead.

But I would not be so quick to kick them or start a feud that could end the group. A lot of times you can get the job done even with a sloppy group. The tone of your post leads me to suspect you might be a tad too demanding since you seem to criticize the Templar for not using the specific abilities you believe that he or she should be using. That's where you lose me. You should allow players to play their characters as they wish. But expecting them to prioritize their chosen combat roles is not unreasonable.

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sounds like it's time for you to roll a healer. Then you can slot the skills you want others to for you. Everyone has skills that will heal them in this game through class or weapon morphs. Whether they choose to take those skills or not is on them.

From a healers perspective, I toss up HoT heals and then DPS to help the group as healers ARE expected to DPS also. If they are only healing, other players will get upset that they aren't DPS'ing.

The bottom line is everyone needs to help the group. Everyone should have a heal ability or potion that they can pop at times and not rely on one player who's expected to heal/dps/debuff/buff etc. Everything that a DPS does can help a healer. When a player is standing in red and refusing to move because it will lower their DPS, they shouldn't blame the healer if they die.....

I'm not saying that's what happened with your group, but it is pretty typical of some of the dungeon runs I have been on.

And you can't always heal fast enough when one of the DPS get's one-shotted or is right beside the boss's AOE while on low health. However, they usually apologize for being clumsy. Sometimes they're just *** about heals.

@wolfninja101b14_ESO because they have 16k health in a Vet Dungeon or Trial with a food buff.....You'd think with all that max stamina they could at least block.....

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

For pretty tough content, you need pretty specific skills used to maximum damage output. Perfect example is helping a stam class keep kena up 75% of the fight or more they will probably need shards or repentance.

Oh, thanks for reminding me....I forgot about the below so it's now updated....

Everyone should have a heal ability or potion that they can pop at times and not rely on one player who's expected to heal/dps/debuff/buff/other player resource management etc. Everything that a DPS does can help a healer.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I often fall asleep while healing. No one in the group ever thinks it is as funny as i do.

Anywho you cant really blame them. Ive seen tons of post o these forums saying if you arent also dpsing as a healer you suck. So healers dps. Which has always been funny to me since in like 90% of the dungeons 2 dps doing decent dps kill a boss very fast.

But whatever. It isnt enough you keep them alive you need to carry them to the finish line as dps as well.

What I do is test the group first.

A group with a good tank and competent damage dealers - it's pretty easy to switch back and forth between healing and DPS. But if the group consistently takes massive spike damage I don't even attempt doing any damage because it's just too risky.

Jeremy wrote: »

The tone of your post leads me to suspect you might be a tad too demanding since you seem to criticize the Templar for not using the specific abilities you believe that he or she should be using. That's where you lose me. You should allow players to play their characters as they wish.

Thank you! I tried WGT with a PUG last week and had crown demanding I use abilities I don't prefer and morphs I didn't choose. If you have a healer, go play it. If you don't, STFU.

The guy was expecting me to drop Barrier on command during Planar Inhibitor while I was on portal duty. If you can't survive without your healer for ten seconds during the many mechanics that take them out of commission, you're a one-shot wonder and a soul gem sinkhole.

What do you do when the healer has 3k spell damage and 1200 regen because he is more concerned about dpsing and doesn't have room on his bar for shards to help the tank? I get it Off dpsing is great and does help, but there is a fine line and I'm trying to figure out how to adjust.

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

What do you do when the healer has 3k spell damage and 1200 regen because he is more concerned about dpsing and doesn't have room on his bar for shards to help the tank? I get it Off dpsing is great and does help, but there is a fine line and I'm trying to figure out how to adjust.

Really depends on the dungeon or content to be honest. As a tank I never expect to see shards being used, I can maintain my stamina quite well with heavy attacks. If they are used, bonus.

A good healer adjusts their game accordingly - sometimes you F it up like I did. Was just a reminder to me to pay attn. I do hate being ordered about though. Makes me want to take my resto staff and go home.

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

What do you do when your healer is running out of magicka because they are dpsing too much and often late on heals. There was one instance where the templar completely stopped healing once the boss hit 30% and radiant destruction on the boss while the tank and dps all died from damage. Also the templar doesn't use shards and doesn't use repentance.... what is one to do?

If the healer is running out of magicka, they're not doing it right. It's a good idea to keep about ~30% of your magicka pool filled at all times, to be ready for an emergency. When you get to that mark, it's a good idea to Heavy Attack via Resto Staff. Good thing that Templars have really cheap DPS; they can keep that up for days. Plus, the free blue potions that drop from bosses are great to sustain magicka.

Healers can be late on heals because A: They are focusing too much on DPS. B: They don't have a good reaction time. C: They've changed their build recently. Yesterday, I tried doing vICP, and my healing was a significant step down from how it normally is because the magicka DK wanted Elemental Drain (I don't take that for 4-man content unless asked). So I had to swap my bars around a bit. It messed up my healing and abilities. But I guess that's just a 'get used to it' issue. On the bright side, an Elemental Drain-Crushing Shock Templar has great magicka sustain.

Also, they shouldn't be letting people die during Radiant Destruction channel. They should be canceling it early if they need to heal.

The Templar healer also seemed rather inexperienced. He should know that you get really good DPS by using Blazing Spear (Shards), and free heals with Repentance, so you can DPS more.


However, now I must bring up some questions for you: did your group stand in red constantly? Did your group run away from the healer (not the healer running away from you)? Because those could be reasons for dying and late heals. I hate seeing group members die during Lord Warden Dusk because they're on the other side of the arena and I can't heal them, so distance can be a real cause of slow heals/deaths.