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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Vigor Changes
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Astanphaeus✭✭✭✭✭Meh, stam builds shouldn't even have vigor, they should use their limited magicka pools for healing like magicka builds use their stam pools for roll dodging, blocking, and cc-breaking.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Astanphaeus wrote: »Meh, stam builds shouldn't even have vigor, they should use their limited magicka pools for healing like magicka builds use their stam pools for roll dodging, blocking, and cc-breaking.
Stam builds use the same resource pool to damage and heal.
Just like magicka builds do.PS4 EU DC
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Astanphaeus✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Astanphaeus wrote: »Meh, stam builds shouldn't even have vigor, they should use their limited magicka pools for healing like magicka builds use their stam pools for roll dodging, blocking, and cc-breaking.
Stam builds use the same resource pool to damage and heal.
Just like magicka builds do.
Magick uses both pools to mitigate damage, stam doesn't.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Lol this change will make stam NBs even more annoying as it will push us to become gankers
Are we done pretending that you weren't before?
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nightblades have Shadow Barrier. Nightblades have Shadow Image. Nightblades have speed buffs. Nightblades have Siphoning Attacks. Nightblades have Stamina and Magicka regeneration passives.Strider_Roshin wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The change to Vigor's functionality is intended, and we apologize for missing the patch note for it. Vigor will now remove you from sneak or invisibility when cast, and we've updated the Live patch notes to reflect this change.
The high-pitched audio sound that you're hearing is not intended, though, and we're currently investigating that issue.
This only shows how out of touch you guys are with your own game. You took the squishiest class out there and thought to yourselfs, hmmm how can we make it even more squishy. Good job! Again making changes that are totaly random and damn right wrong, but when ppl dirrect you to a real problems, you just ignore it. Just terrible at balancing the game.
Okay, I do think this change was a good one. At the same time I also agree that the Nightblade could be a bit tankier than they currently are. DKs have a free 3500 spell resistance, increase in healing with spiked armor active, and more damage mitigation when blocking. Templars have 4% more spell resistance, increase damage mitigation from physical when blocking, and major mending passively. Sorcs have the only good and reliable escape in the game, and the strongest damage shield. Nightblades have cloak, which has so many counters that I don't even put it on my magblade anymore. Nightblades need a little defense buff in my opinion.
Sadly, Nightblades also have a lot of scrubs playing them.
Agreed and then said scrubs show up here to misinform more nb scrubs about the class...0 -
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That's the reason I barely log in to the game anymore, these cloak changes have ruined stamblade PvP for me & playing magplar is boring.
No thats not the reason you barely log in to the game.
It is because of your ridiculously unrealistic expectations...
You are so *** clueless you are here argueing you should be able to use a hard hitting, empowering, gap closer with no min. range and NOT COME OUT OF STEALTH?
Please tell me i have misunderstood you.4 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭How did this all of a sudden become a "stamina-nightblades have been nerfed" thread?
You guys realize, that every stamina class is affected by this, and it's perfectly fine by the way? This is an AoE healing ability.Edited by Kelces on 13 August 2016 08:02You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wait, they made it so that teleport strike breaks cloak now?....... That was my favorite thing about nightblades, and it was a key to using maneuverability to be survivable in combat. I don't even use cloak on my mageblade anymore, but this is devastating to learn...... I'm legitimately sad.
I'm basically never going to play my stamblade again. The skill cap has been devastated with this one change. Kena
Former Class Rep
Former Legend GM
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Bdawwg✭✭✭Any skill that affects any other player in addition to yourself should take you out of stealth period.
Vigor is a group HoE.
Rally is a self heal that's why rally doesn't take you out of stealth.
Say it with me nightblades group v self.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
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That's the reason I barely log in to the game anymore, these cloak changes have ruined stamblade PvP for me & playing magplar is boring.
No thats not the reason you barely log in to the game.
It is because of your ridiculously unrealistic expectations...
You are so *** clueless you are here argueing you should be able to use a hard hitting, empowering, gap closer with no min. range and NOT COME OUT OF STEALTH?
Please tell me i have misunderstood you.
No, you have not misunderstood anything.
You do realize cloak lasts only 2.9 seconds, right? You have time to Ambush+Surprise Attack for a stun combo and that's pretty much it. Yet, it's what you need to play DW/DW or DW/Bow NB competitively.
Also, I wouldn't call Ambush "hard hitting" - there's a reason most fotmblades were using Crit Rush even before this major nerf to Ambush & Cloak.
It worked perfectly fine before and no one complained, I think Kena summed it up pretty well:Wait, they made it so that teleport strike breaks cloak now?....... That was my favorite thing about nightblades, and it was a key to using maneuverability to be survivable in combat. I don't even use cloak on my mageblade anymore, but this is devastating to learn...... I'm legitimately sad. I'm basically never going to play my stamblade again. The skill cap has been devastated with this one change.
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Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
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That's the reason I barely log in to the game anymore, these cloak changes have ruined stamblade PvP for me & playing magplar is boring.
No thats not the reason you barely log in to the game.
It is because of your ridiculously unrealistic expectations...
You are so *** clueless you are here argueing you should be able to use a hard hitting, empowering, gap closer with no min. range and NOT COME OUT OF STEALTH?
Please tell me i have misunderstood you.
Whoa salty stam NB hater here eh?
Using the stealth gap closer combo was one of the greatest combos for NBs its like the talons + whip combo etc.
Now it was taken away and for what? It wasn't OP I never saw a thread post about it.Power Wealth And Influence.1 -
Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Lol this change will make stam NBs even more annoying as it will push us to become gankers
Are we done pretending that you weren't before?
Nope. In duels non meta stam NBs(DW/Bow or DW/DW) had survivability with vigor cloaks crit ticks.
Now that its gone you are required to have a 2h for heals NBs don't have major mending and vigor ticks won't work with cloak so you might as well be a ganker now.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The change to Vigor's functionality is intended, and we apologize for missing the patch note for it. Vigor will now remove you from sneak or invisibility when cast, and we've updated the Live patch notes to reflect this change.
The high-pitched audio sound that you're hearing is not intended, though, and we're currently investigating that issue.
This only shows how out of touch you guys are with your own game. You took the squishiest class out there and thought to yourselfs, hmmm how can we make it even more squishy. Good job! Again making changes that are totaly random and damn right wrong, but when ppl dirrect you to a real problems, you just ignore it. Just terrible at balancing the game.
Shutup and go 2 shot somebody....Balanced3 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In the meantime, dragon blood is still at the bottom of all priorities....
Fix Dragon Blood!!!!!!Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Lol this change will make stam NBs even more annoying as it will push us to become gankers
Are we done pretending that you weren't before?
Nope. In duels non meta stam NBs(DW/Bow or DW/DW) had survivability with vigor cloaks crit ticks.
Now that its gone you are required to have a 2h for heals NBs don't have major mending and vigor ticks won't work with cloak so you might as well be a ganker now.
Vitality Pots provide self heal buffs equal to major mending.0 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Or just use Soul Siphon to get the buff.
Edited by Amdar_Godkiller on 16 August 2016 09:211 -
the_man_of_steal✭✭✭I would like to request that one morph of vigor be the AOE heal that takes you out of stealth and the other individual heal be only for the individual and therefore NOT take you out of stealth. @ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom0
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Bosov✭✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »
That's the reason I barely log in to the game anymore, these cloak changes have ruined stamblade PvP for me & playing magplar is boring.
No thats not the reason you barely log in to the game.
It is because of your ridiculously unrealistic expectations...
You are so *** clueless you are here argueing you should be able to use a hard hitting, empowering, gap closer with no min. range and NOT COME OUT OF STEALTH?
Please tell me i have misunderstood you.
Whoa salty stam NB hater here eh?
Using the stealth gap closer combo was one of the greatest combos for NBs its like the talons + whip combo etc.
Now it was taken away and for what? It wasn't OP I never saw a thread post about it.
Comparing a gapcloser with empowerment + spamable cheap high damage abilty with major fracture which also applies a hard CC if done from stealth to a soft CC without much damage + a low damage high cost whip + free whip with decent damage with an okayish heal?
Dont even compare mag dk with stam nb. Stam NB is so extremely good while mag dk is ***.Xbox One - EU - GT : Bosov
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Omgwtfbbq321✭✭✭LOL!
Did someone just compare Talons+Whip to Ambush+Surprise Attack? I’m guessing I’m wrong because I have never died to Talons+Whip…
On topic - This change brings Vigor in line with the rest of the Non self-only heals.
Edited by Omgwtfbbq321 on 17 August 2016 07:05My ping is higher than your resource recovery...0