How much does Sharpened trait matter ?

KoreanAwtamatic · July 2016

Can anyone give me an idea of how much of a difference your damage is reduced in PVP when you have a precise trait vs sharpened. I have the 2 handed maelstrom sword in precise as well as bow and I'm really debating if it's worth it to grind maelstrom for a sharpened 2 hander.

KenaPKK · July 2016

I think it's about 650 resistance = 1% damage mitigation. This makes sharpened about an 8.5% damage bonus. It's massive.

Precise maelstrom is good, but honestly a crafted maul with the crafted damage glyph is more damage overall.

Edit: precise is underwhelming in PvP because of shields and impen

KoreanAwtamatic · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

I think it's about 650 resistance = 1% damage mitigation. This makes sharpened about an 8.5% damage bonus. It's massive.

Precise maelstrom is good, but honestly a crafted maul with the crafted damage glyph is more damage overall.

Edit: precise is underwhelming in PvP because of shields and impen

Gotcha. Yeah im running maelstrom bow and sword with 5 alchemist 1 Kena 1 blood spawn and I'm almost 36k stam with over 5k weapon damage. Think I should drop blood spawn and run leki shoulder with sharpened leki maul and bow ? Would that be a better option

KenaPKK · July 2016

Assuming you compensate for the loss of regen, yes, that'll be a lot more damage.

Lokey0024 · July 2016

A must.

Jaronking · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

I think it's about 650 resistance = 1% damage mitigation. This makes sharpened about an 8.5% damage bonus. It's massive.

Precise maelstrom is good, but honestly a crafted maul with the crafted damage glyph is more damage overall.

Edit: precise is underwhelming in PvP because of shields and impen

@KenaPKK Do you know how big the difference between a MA great sword Sharpened and a MA Maul sharpened is?Is it noticeable or not much of a difference.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

It's also know as "heavy armors bane"........... yea

KenaPKK · July 2016

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

Torbschka · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

Kena, so u would say in general that we should drop the VSMA weapons and instead use craftet weapons with the + spelldmg/wpndmg glyph?

My setup for mage is:
5x Lich
3x Seducer
3x Willpower
1x VSMA sharpened destro firestafff

(I have the +dmg glpyh on my healing staff)

But because I would prefer lightning staff a lot more, would I lose much if I use:

5x LIch
4x Magnus (the destro lightning staff)
3x Willpower?

KenaPKK · July 2016

@Torbschka you need that damage glyph somewhere. If I were you, I would keep the Lich resto enchanted with it and keep the Maelstrom destro. That's your max damage. Also consider changing the 3 seducer out for 3 torugs. I doubt you need that extra regen with Lich.

Torbschka · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Torbschka you need that damage glyph somewhere. If I were you, I would keep the Lich resto enchanted with it and keep the Maelstrom destro. That's your max damage. Also consider changing the 3 seducer out for 3 torugs. I doubt you need that extra regen with Lich.

@KenaPKK thank you for the answer! But I suspect that Torug will have much more dmg and I will only get 1 useful stat, I dont need the extra HP.

So I chosse

+Mag rec
+Mag max

instead of

+Spelldmg
+HP max

I mean, what would I gain? 40 tooltip dmg maybe? But lower shields and lower reg (I spam shields a lot, or, I have to ^^)

Lexxypwns · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

The sword bonus damage also affects your heals as well, I see that get overlooked a lot

cschwingeb14_ESO · July 2016

Crit and nirnhoned also affect your heals. It's one of the reasons why sharpened is so much better for damage. It's the only pure damage trait

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

No ... no heavy armor did not get buffed in any way..... If you mean wraith please get your head checked out.

arkansas_ESO · July 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

No ... no heavy armor did not get buffed in any way..... If you mean wraith please get your head checked out.

Nah, heavy armor totally wasn't buffed at all, that's why half of Cyrodiil went from wearing 1-2 pieces of heavy at most last patch to at least 1/3rd of them running 5+ pieces of heavy this patch.

nordsavage · July 2016

Put sharpened on everything and do not look back.

sluice · July 2016

The best weapon trait is Sharpened.
The second best trait is Sharpened.
You could also consider Sharpened?
But either way, you are better suited with Sharpened!

In all seriousness, you need Sharpened as your trait on your primary weapon(s).
There are no possible debate, I'm afraid, to have here....

On your second bar though, it gets interesting!

You can use different trait depending on your build:
Precise : Crit those heals!
Defending : You even out versus a sharpened!
Infused: Makes your weapon damage glyph go from 348 damage to 418!

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

No ... no heavy armor did not get buffed in any way..... If you mean wraith please get your head checked out.

Nah, heavy armor totally wasn't buffed at all, that's why half of Cyrodiil went from wearing 1-2 pieces of heavy at most last patch to at least 1/3rd of them running 5+ pieces of heavy this patch.

it cause of malubeth and black rose not cause HA been buffed.

Sandman929 · July 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Jaronking their traits will be identical. It's the 2h passive that gives the maul additional penetration. I don't remember how much pen you get though. You'll have to check. It's the 2nd or 3rd passive down in the list. I want to say it's 20%?

Regardless, I know it's a percentage, making it stronger the higher the enemy's resistances are. Heavy armor just got buffed, so you'll get plenty of work out of this.

Do keep in mind that the sword is an additional 5% (?) damage amplification across the board from the same passive. *does maths* ... Assuming swords give 5% damage and mauls give 20% armor pen, you'll need to be hitting a player with 16,250 physical resistance to even out. Also remember that swords will get their higher damage against shields, but the maul passive doesn't affect damage against shields, which don't have resistances.

No ... no heavy armor did not get buffed in any way..... If you mean wraith please get your head checked out.

Nah, heavy armor totally wasn't buffed at all, that's why half of Cyrodiil went from wearing 1-2 pieces of heavy at most last patch to at least 1/3rd of them running 5+ pieces of heavy this patch.

it cause of malubeth and black rose not cause HA been buffed.

Actually Wrath is pretty damned nice. Having the mitigation to deal with the greatly increased stam damage, also nice. Increase to Constitution..also nice. Heavy armor definitely got a buff. Black Rose just buffs the buff.

Armitas · July 2016

Since it is within the realm of discussion I would like to add that on some classes a powered weapon on your back bar might be good choice. For example on the mDK if burning embers is on your back bar it will benefit from powered if you manually take the heal out. To the best of my ability to test it it also buffs dragons blood, which makes it the only trait that can buff dragons blood because dragon blood is not based on spell power and it can't crit.

Also if anyone is using nirnhoned rather than sharpened because they think rapid regen will benefit from the spell damage they should know that it does not appear to be accessing weapon damage when you swap. Nirnhoned will give you the same RR tick as sharpened. RR/mutagen behaves very strangely. To clarify this is when you cast it with a powered restostaff and switch to a nirn or sharpened non resto weapon.

Toc de Malsvi · July 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Since it is within the realm of discussion I would like to add that on some classes a powered weapon on your back bar might be good choice. For example on the mDK if burning embers is on your back bar it will benefit from powered if you manually take the heal out. To the best of my ability to test it it also buffs dragons blood, which makes it the only trait that can buff dragons blood because dragon blood is not based on spell power and it can't crit.

Also if anyone is using nirnhoned rather than sharpened because they think rapid regen will benefit from the spell damage they should know that it does not appear to be accessing weapon damage when you swap. Nirnhoned will give you the same RR tick as sharpened. RR/mutagen behaves very strangely.

I stopped using RR/Mutagen because they wouldn't actually go to the targets with low health. At one point in PVP I had 3 allies near me 2 at around +90% health and one that was at 20%, I spammed it 7 times and it went to the high health guys every single time.

Armitas · July 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Since it is within the realm of discussion I would like to add that on some classes a powered weapon on your back bar might be good choice. For example on the mDK if burning embers is on your back bar it will benefit from powered if you manually take the heal out. To the best of my ability to test it it also buffs dragons blood, which makes it the only trait that can buff dragons blood because dragon blood is not based on spell power and it can't crit.

Also if anyone is using nirnhoned rather than sharpened because they think rapid regen will benefit from the spell damage they should know that it does not appear to be accessing weapon damage when you swap. Nirnhoned will give you the same RR tick as sharpened. RR/mutagen behaves very strangely.

I stopped using RR/Mutagen because they wouldn't actually go to the targets with low health. At one point in PVP I had 3 allies near me 2 at around +90% health and one that was at 20%, I spammed it 7 times and it went to the high health guys every single time.

I think it prioritizes people without RR/Mut first which probably should be the case for RR but doesn't make any sense for Mutagen. I also heard mutagen only works if it's cast while someone is at low health. I really hope they fix that plus what ever is screwing up the scaling on it.