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MagBlade, High burst High end PvP Build. Q/a

mechsauc3
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Im looking to start up a magclass for high end competitive pvp build.

I have never played a mag build before, so im very new to this.

I have some priority questions, i need to ask before starting the class.

- What gear setup/armor/weapon ( ex. 5light,1heavy,1med dw/restro )
- Is it a must to get meteor ( mage guild skill )
- Is magnb a 1trickpony?
- Is this the most fast paced magicka class out of the 4 ?
- DW is our main bar, but if i go destro on backbar.. will i be constantly switching bars for dmg, or 1 bar for dmg, 1 bar for cc/heals/etc
- Race? min/max of current patch, and when the race passive patch hits?


Ty
  • DRXHarbinger
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    If you want a gank build or "burst build" just go all spell power and max magika. Relentless focus, Stealth, proxy on, lotus fan, soul harvest, concealed weapon, killer blade spam until they drop. Not much too it. I just use scathing mage, will power, nerenith and maelstrom inferno.
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  • mechsauc3
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    If you want a gank build or "burst build" just go all spell power and max magika. Relentless focus, Stealth, proxy on, lotus fan, soul harvest, concealed weapon, killer blade spam until they drop. Not much too it. I just use scathing mage, will power, nerenith and maelstrom inferno.

    is magblade the most fast paced class as a magicka build dps out there?

    also what weapon,armor should i focus leveling to reach 50Lv asap?

    what are my options if i go destro/restro?
  • DRXHarbinger
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    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.
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  • sluice
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    Note that you will have no where near the burst damage of a Stamblade.
    What is lacking is that high damage opener (Bow Heavy Attack => Poison Injection) that stamina build have.

    In return, you will have many really cool and useful skills in your arsenal:
    -Shadow Image (this thing is the most fun skill to use in PVP!)
    -Mass Hysteria (Best CC in game)
    -Cloak (you can spam it forever and ever, if build allows it)
    -Crippling Grasp (good AOE + Major expedition to you + Root!)
    -Merciless Resolve (8% increase damage plus that thing hit's hard!)
    -Sap Essence (Major Sorcery + Heal + AOE... use this to finish dodge rollers and to uncloak those pesky nightblades!)
    -Piercing Mark (The best anti nightblade tool)
    -etc.

    Ok stamblade have access to all these skills, but are very limited on how often they can use them.
    Learn to use Shadow Image and cloak efficiently and you will be so annoying to fight agains't.


    - What gear setup/armor/weapon ( ex. 5light,1heavy,1med dw/restro )
    I'm currently rolling with 5 lights and 2 mediums.
    The mediums armor provides better passives for my type of sneaky gameplay than Heavy Armor.


    - Is it a must to get meteor ( mage guild skill )
    No although, Meteor is one of the hardest hitting ultimate in the game...
    Meteor + fear = Apocalypse

    Still am not using Meteor on this character as I'm too lazy to do Lorebooks run. (Already done it with 2 other characters..)

    Clouding Swarm hits hard and fell true to the class style, in my opinion.
    Also can't go wrong with Soul Tether.

    I always use Soul Harvest on my first bar as Magblade currently lack burst damage, this very cheap ultimate is a must to bring down foes in 1v1 situation.
    - Is magnb a 1trickpony?
    Nah. Some run tankish self healing build. Some run dot build.
    But most often, you will see them as sneaky melee build.

    Note: They are somewhat weak right now. Very fun to play. But weak.
    Little to no burst and harder to play than other class.

    There is nothing that beats the feeling of cloaking right through a Zerg or killing by killing someone down a keep wall and then teleporting back with shadow image.
    - Is this the most fast paced magicka class out of the 4 ?
    Yes, it's crazy fast.
    I recommend to go Vampire.

    Vampire + Conceiled Weapon + Double Take...
    Is almost like sprinting with major expedition, but in stealth!

    That said Sorcerer is probably faster out of stealth. But in stealth, vamp nightblades are the thing.

    - DW is our main bar, but if i go destro on backbar.. will i be constantly switching bars for dmg, or 1 bar for dmg, 1 bar for cc/heals/etc
    I recommend using Resto staff on back bar.. That healing ward is your main life saver.
    When in trouble, cast: Healing Ward => Cloak (then wait for the Healing Ward to fully heal you)
    - Race? min/max of current patch, and when the race passive patch hits?
    Depends what you want to do.
    You can't go wrong with Altmer (Max Magicka & Recovery) or Breton (Max Magicka, Cost reduction AND spell resistance)

    I'm running a Bosmer (used to be stamina beforehand..) And honestly, I'm not sure I will change once race change are available. The 10% increase damage when in stealth is great since I'm built for all around sneak.

    If I would have to change, I would go with Breton (no hesitation).






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  • sluice
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    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.


    What does 5 pieces light armor provides versus 7 pieces:
    -15% reduce cost of magicka spells (instead of 21% with 7 light pieces)
    -20% increase magicka recovery (instead of 28% with 7 lights)
    -1815 Increase of spell resistance (Instead of 2541 with 7 lights)

    So what is the trade off for giving 6% reduce cost, 8% recovery and 726 spell resistance to go with 2 mediums pieces?
    -Increases Stamina Recovery by 8%
    -Reduces the Stamina cost of abilities by 6%
    -Reduce cost of sneaking by 14%
    -Reduce Size of Detection by 10%
    -Increase movement speed while sprinting by 6%
    -Reduce cost of Dodge Roll by 8%
    -Better overall armor since there is a decent difference between light and medium.
    -PLUS, if you have Undaunted level 9, you get 4% increase max Stamina, Magicka and Health

    For an all around stealth build (if that's what you are going for)... that 14% reduce sneaking cost and 10% reduced detection size sounds pretty interesting!


    Off topic:
    But templar's the strongest overall magicka class right now, in my opinion.
    Even in solo play and most definitely not because of Jesus Beam.
    When running in solo my Magplar is my favorite character since I can 1vX so efficiently with it.
    When playing in small group, I prefer my magicka nightblade.

    Magicka class, In order of strength currently:
    1. Templar (they can heal, they can purge, they can DPS effeciently and kill you from ranged or melee)
    2. Sorcerer (still super strong, whoever says otherwise never took time to adapt or never faced good sorcerer in duels)
    3. Magblade (Annoying to fight because of cloak, but easy to kill if you can neutralize their cloaking ability)
    4. Mag DK (Annoying to fight, if they are Talons spammer and/or if they are super tanky but rarely a threat unless in groups.)

    I'm speaking out of my hat for Mag DK. This is from what I saw and heard. I do roll a Templar, Sorc and Magblade.

    Sorcerer are still strong when played well..
    #fact: A super strong Magicka Sorcerer pre DB, is still a super strong Magicka Sorcer post DB.


    @mechsauc3, I'm not trying to steer you away from playing a magicka nightblade when saying that it's currently weak.
    Trust, me when I say it's crazy fun to play in PVP and I don't struggle in most 1v1 as long as I have the upper hand.

    I have overall better success with all my other character, no doubt. But if you ask me the most fun I've had in pvp?
    Without hesitation: Magicka Nightblade.
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    Edited by sluice on 20 July 2016 13:12
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    Anýa - Bosmer Nightblade (0..50)

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    Arýä - Altmer Sorcerer (50)
    Marksar - Breton Templar (50)
    Maksar - Bosmer Nightblade (50)
    sluice - Imperial Dragonknight (0..50) R.I.P.

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  • mechsauc3
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    sluice wrote: »
    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.



    @mechsauc3, I'm not trying to steer you away from playing a magicka nightblade when saying that it's currently weak.
    Trust, me when I say it's crazy fun to play in PVP and I don't struggle in most 1v1 as long as I have the upper hand.

    I have overall better success with all my other character, no doubt. But if you ask me the most fun I've had in pvp?
    Without hesitation: Magicka Nightblade.
    #CloakAllDay
    #ShadowImageAllDay


    this.

    i always prefer fun over whats broken of the moth.

    the thing that got me hook on magnbs, is that the way they can outplay you, and have control of the fight. ( bwb perspective, only been playing for about a 2weeks as a stam melee class )

    my last question.

    - What set should i be running as i level 1-40? ( gna grind to 40, then stop to play bwb till im 50, as my learning phase of pvp'in magnb )

    Ty!
  • thankyourat
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    mechsauc3 wrote: »
    sluice wrote: »
    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.



    @mechsauc3, I'm not trying to steer you away from playing a magicka nightblade when saying that it's currently weak.
    Trust, me when I say it's crazy fun to play in PVP and I don't struggle in most 1v1 as long as I have the upper hand.

    I have overall better success with all my other character, no doubt. But if you ask me the most fun I've had in pvp?
    Without hesitation: Magicka Nightblade.
    #CloakAllDay
    #ShadowImageAllDay


    this.

    i always prefer fun over whats broken of the moth.

    the thing that got me hook on magnbs, is that the way they can outplay you, and have control of the fight. ( bwb perspective, only been playing for about a 2weeks as a stam melee class )

    my last question.

    - What set should i be running as i level 1-40? ( gna grind to 40, then stop to play bwb till im 50, as my learning phase of pvp'in magnb )

    Ty!

    Magblade is very rewarding and is really good at controlling fights. Some of the sets that I've had success with are (5 seducer 4 mangus), (5 kags 5 seducer on back bar) and (5 Julianos 5 lich with crit damage mundus stone) 3 willpower on all. Also magblade has access to alot of movement speed buffs so it's incredibly fast pace. it also has a lot of snares which if you use both of those to your advantage you will literally walk circles around your opponent. Destro/restro works as well but I find I have more burst with dual wield.
  • DRXHarbinger
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    mechsauc3 wrote: »
    sluice wrote: »
    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.



    @mechsauc3, I'm not trying to steer you away from playing a magicka nightblade when saying that it's currently weak.
    Trust, me when I say it's crazy fun to play in PVP and I don't struggle in most 1v1 as long as I have the upper hand.

    I have overall better success with all my other character, no doubt. But if you ask me the most fun I've had in pvp?
    Without hesitation: Magicka Nightblade.
    #CloakAllDay
    #ShadowImageAllDay


    this.

    i always prefer fun over whats broken of the moth.

    the thing that got me hook on magnbs, is that the way they can outplay you, and have control of the fight. ( bwb perspective, only been playing for about a 2weeks as a stam melee class )

    my last question.

    - What set should i be running as i level 1-40? ( gna grind to 40, then stop to play bwb till im 50, as my learning phase of pvp'in magnb )

    Ty!

    Magblade is very rewarding and is really good at controlling fights. Some of the sets that I've had success with are (5 seducer 4 mangus), (5 kags 5 seducer on back bar) and (5 Julianos 5 lich with crit damage mundus stone) 3 willpower on all. Also magblade has access to alot of movement speed buffs so it's incredibly fast pace. it also has a lot of snares which if you use both of those to your advantage you will literally walk circles around your opponent. Destro/restro works as well but I find I have more burst with dual wield.

    How do you run 5 lich and 5 Julianos?
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  • Waffennacht
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    mechsauc3 wrote: »
    sluice wrote: »
    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.



    @mechsauc3, I'm not trying to steer you away from playing a magicka nightblade when saying that it's currently weak.
    Trust, me when I say it's crazy fun to play in PVP and I don't struggle in most 1v1 as long as I have the upper hand.

    I have overall better success with all my other character, no doubt. But if you ask me the most fun I've had in pvp?
    Without hesitation: Magicka Nightblade.
    #CloakAllDay
    #ShadowImageAllDay


    this.

    i always prefer fun over whats broken of the moth.

    the thing that got me hook on magnbs, is that the way they can outplay you, and have control of the fight. ( bwb perspective, only been playing for about a 2weeks as a stam melee class )

    my last question.

    - What set should i be running as i level 1-40? ( gna grind to 40, then stop to play bwb till im 50, as my learning phase of pvp'in magnb )

    Ty!

    Magblade is very rewarding and is really good at controlling fights. Some of the sets that I've had success with are (5 seducer 4 mangus), (5 kags 5 seducer on back bar) and (5 Julianos 5 lich with crit damage mundus stone) 3 willpower on all. Also magblade has access to alot of movement speed buffs so it's incredibly fast pace. it also has a lot of snares which if you use both of those to your advantage you will literally walk circles around your opponent. Destro/restro works as well but I find I have more burst with dual wield.

    How do you run 5 lich and 5 Julianos?

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  • thankyourat
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    mechsauc3 wrote: »
    sluice wrote: »
    Don't bother with resto imo. If you get in any trouble just use cripple and stealth and flee.

    Tbh just use light, I run 7/7 light pieces. Resto is just for spamming healing ward, if you need to spam it you may as well just drop imo and respawn elsewhere. Magblade are probably the fastest out there, sorcs have good burst but are boring to play, DKs are all about dot's and Templars are op if you like the idea of grouping up and using radiant to melt everyone.



    @mechsauc3, I'm not trying to steer you away from playing a magicka nightblade when saying that it's currently weak.
    Trust, me when I say it's crazy fun to play in PVP and I don't struggle in most 1v1 as long as I have the upper hand.

    I have overall better success with all my other character, no doubt. But if you ask me the most fun I've had in pvp?
    Without hesitation: Magicka Nightblade.
    #CloakAllDay
    #ShadowImageAllDay


    this.

    i always prefer fun over whats broken of the moth.

    the thing that got me hook on magnbs, is that the way they can outplay you, and have control of the fight. ( bwb perspective, only been playing for about a 2weeks as a stam melee class )

    my last question.

    - What set should i be running as i level 1-40? ( gna grind to 40, then stop to play bwb till im 50, as my learning phase of pvp'in magnb )

    Ty!

    Magblade is very rewarding and is really good at controlling fights. Some of the sets that I've had success with are (5 seducer 4 mangus), (5 kags 5 seducer on back bar) and (5 Julianos 5 lich with crit damage mundus stone) 3 willpower on all. Also magblade has access to alot of movement speed buffs so it's incredibly fast pace. it also has a lot of snares which if you use both of those to your advantage you will literally walk circles around your opponent. Destro/restro works as well but I find I have more burst with dual wield.

    How do you run 5 lich and 5 Julianos?

    4 peices of lich on the body. 3 peices of Julianos on the body. 2 Julianos swords. And a lich restro on the back bar. It's pretty good. It's the set I've had the most success with this patch because you can stack your damage really high and still have enough sustain. It hits just as hard as a stam nightblade for the most part if you have a Breton or high elf especially.
  • mistermutiny89
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    Cloak is really broken at the moment... I've always liked glass cannon builds but with nearly everything pulling you out of cloak I'd strongly consider going for a sap tank build in Pvp.

    I run 5 vicious death, 5 kags and two engine guardian.

    I have 38k magicka, 29k health and 15k Stam. When my spell power is buffed it's at 3k.

    Ensuring a healer isn't in the Zerg with barrier and their healing ultimate you can jump into zergs with proxy, dodge chance and block up and stay alive long enough to wipe a fair amount of the group out and then decide whether or not to run away or keep fighting.

    Gankers? Well they feel kind of stupid when they knock you off your horse and can't kill you by the time you get back up. Only really weakness sap tanks have is being feared, but I like to keep piercing mark on my back bar against other nightblades... Most start freaking out when they can't cleanse it haha.
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