Nightblades fear
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want wings on my NB, fear on my sorc, breath of life on my DK, and bolt escape on my Templar.
Every class has strengths and weaknesses. By calling for nerfs to strong but not op skills, you risk putting another spec in the same place as mDK.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't get some people that play this game.
If your fighting a nb you really should be expecting a fear, just be prepared and you'll find you break free pretty much instantly.PS4 EU DC
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OP, when you give Nightblades the 18% (really 28%) weapon damage, 3k stamina, 15% stam regen, plus 10k resistance werewolves get or the 10% regen bonus to magicka and stam, faster sneak speed, and undeath passive that vamps get, then you get to hit them 20% harder.
Look, fear sucks. I get it. We've all had people that seemed to just mow us down while we can't break free, or that use it at juuuust the right time to set up a burst (which is really all their class has; burst). But I would advise you to play as a nightblade for a little bit and see how "OP" they really are. They are not.
And by asking for a weakness added to a player for using a skill, it sounds like a nerf, to meat any rate.
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✭✭✭✭✭Advocate to make CC break more reactive when feared, not to remove the fear from a Nightblade's skillset.4 -
Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Let's just remove classes and introduce something new! How about a fix for willows path.R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Werewolf fear requires use of ultimate and feedings.
In general I don't think nightblades are op. Every once in awhile I run into that tower spamming unkillable sap tank and I get salty. Smash the controller down, Scream profanities, go to store by a new controller and log back in lol but mass hysteria is better than all 6 templar ultimates for a stamplar. Then again binding javelin is better than all templar ultimates too grrr.
I love it when my nightblade ally runs into a group spamming my resource tower and fears them. I don't want the skill taken away or the level of fear nerfed but fearing multiple people and then snaring them and maiming them should come at a cost.
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's just remove classes and introduce something new! How about a fix for willows path.
Wroble already said he wants every class to be able to do everything . Why not just remove classes and open every skill up to everybody. At first everybody would run the op skills and be monsters but it would make it very easy for the developers to see what needs to be adjusted and in the long run it would create variety in cyrodil.0 -
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✭Every other fear comes at a price. For instance you either must become undead, only works on undead/daedra, use an ultimate or have an ally synergies an ability. For nightblades this is sadly not the case.
I'm not advocating we remove their class ability but can there at least be a price that comes with using the most op skill in the game.
The most OP skill in the game is BoL0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭thankyourat wrote: »Every other fear comes at a price. For instance you either must become undead, only works on undead/daedra, use an ultimate or have an ally synergies an ability. For nightblades this is sadly not the case.
I'm not advocating we remove their class ability but can there at least be a price that comes with using the most op skill in the game.
The most OP skill in the game is BoL
Thats Debatable. BoL is an extremely strong skill for a magplar when they invest over 120 CPs into elemental expert and blessed. BoL is puny to a stamplar.
Mass hysteria is equally powerful to mag blades and stam blades. Instantly fears up to 3 opponents and then Snares and maiming them for 4 seconds. The best part is you guys don't have to invest CP's into it to make it strong.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Gotta love it the same players that attack RD as op defending fear! lol
Funny when shoe is on other foot.Edited by TequilaFire on 10 July 2016 01:421 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Gotta love it the same players that attack RD as op defending fear! lol
Funny when shoe is on other foot.
Haha yes i noticed that. I don't mind fear and I don't mind that it's buggy and has a delay when it's broken or that it doesnt have a very good indicator that I am feared but it should have a subtle change.Edited by Drdeath20 on 10 July 2016 02:210 -
Ara_Valleria✭✭✭✭✭
Oh hey I want to use major mending on my nightblade like a stamplar too, why cant I? I cant unless I wear a resto staff and do a heavy attack
major mending doesnt help a stamplar
Major mending, the single most op buff for any stambuild running vigor and rally, somehow doesn't help a stamplar ?
ok
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RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Gotta love it the same players that attack RD as op defending fear! lol
Funny when shoe is on other foot.
What's the counter to RD from a player outside gap close range (since RD has a longer range)? Nothing. Can multiple people Fear you at once? No. If you don't think there's something wrong with RD you're completely out of touch. If you could break free or dodge from RD, then maybe you could compare the two. What other execute is completely undodgeable? Not to mention it is massively over scaled.
If you're on a Stamplar calling fear an "I win" button you have no idea what you're talking about and need to get more regen, run immovability pots, or manage your resources better. Not to mention saying "Major Mending doesn't do anything for Stamplars.... Fear can be broken, and if you have problem with fear its a L2P issue. If you're a Stamplar and you're not constantly fighting within your ritual, that's a "you" problem.
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RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭Ara_Valleria wrote: »
Oh hey I want to use major mending on my nightblade like a stamplar too, why cant I? I cant unless I wear a resto staff and do a heavy attack
major mending doesnt help a stamplar
Major mending, the single most op buff for any stambuild running vigor and rally, somehow doesn't help a stamplar ?
ok
And how could you possibly cast an ability before your rally? I mean, it's not like every Stam DK on the planet doesn't do that with Igneous or anything, and you can't keep igneous up the same way Stamplars can keep Ritual up.
Maybe the fact he isn't running MM is why he's having so many problems, but instead of evaluating his own build and skills, he just comes on the forums and QQs "fear OP."
Yeah, Fear is SOOO OP. So OP that I regularly drop it on my Stamblade...Aldonius Direnni - Vet Altmer Sorc (AD)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU
End of discussion, thanks Jules!Edited by RadioheadSh0t on 10 July 2016 03:10Aldonius Direnni - Vet Altmer Sorc (AD)
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✭✭✭✭Doncellius wrote: »Advocate to make CC break more reactive when feared, not to remove the fear from a Nightblade's skillset.
This. Fear is fine (although annoying as hell)... it's the times when it becomes unbreakable that are the problem.1 -
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✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Gotta love it the same players that attack RD as op defending fear! lol
Funny when shoe is on other foot.
Yes, it's nice when balanced things are defended and op things are debated.
I'm a nightblade player, but I'm also the first to suggest nightblade nerfs when warranted. To suggest otherwise is ignorant.Kena
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cc break needs the work, not fear. It's unbreakable ccs that the op is likely frustrated with. I'm frustrated with floppy fish ccs like Dizzying Swing too. Can we talk about those?
If not, Willow's Path thread.Kena
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Ara_Valleria wrote: »
Oh hey I want to use major mending on my nightblade like a stamplar too, why cant I? I cant unless I wear a resto staff and do a heavy attack
major mending doesnt help a stamplar
Major mending, the single most op buff for any stambuild running vigor and rally, somehow doesn't help a stamplar ?
ok
And how could you possibly cast an ability before your rally? I mean, it's not like every Stam DK on the planet doesn't do that with Igneous or anything, and you can't keep igneous up the same way Stamplars can keep Ritual up.
Maybe the fact he isn't running MM is why he's having so many problems, but instead of evaluating his own build and skills, he just comes on the forums and QQs "fear OP."
Yeah, Fear is SOOO OP. So OP that I regularly drop it on my Stamblade...
Thats bcz your trying to be a glass cannon and can burst down 30k worth of damage in less than 4 seconds. Probably got 5k+ weapon damage. Its very hard for a stamplar to get over 3500 weapon damage. Those sap tank nightblades that can plow through 4 or 5 guys by fearing away 3 are just ridiculous.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Ara_Valleria wrote: »
Oh hey I want to use major mending on my nightblade like a stamplar too, why cant I? I cant unless I wear a resto staff and do a heavy attack
major mending doesnt help a stamplar
Major mending, the single most op buff for any stambuild running vigor and rally, somehow doesn't help a stamplar ?
ok
And how could you possibly cast an ability before your rally? I mean, it's not like every Stam DK on the planet doesn't do that with Igneous or anything, and you can't keep igneous up the same way Stamplars can keep Ritual up.
Maybe the fact he isn't running MM is why he's having so many problems, but instead of evaluating his own build and skills, he just comes on the forums and QQs "fear OP."
Yeah, Fear is SOOO OP. So OP that I regularly drop it on my Stamblade...
Thats bcz your trying to be a glass cannon and can burst down 30k worth of damage in less than 4 seconds. Probably got 5k+ weapon damage. Its very hard for a stamplar to get over 3500 weapon damage. Those sap tank nightblades that can plow through 4 or 5 guys by fearing away 3 are just ridiculous.
Now that is just a plain lie, king richard has like 36k stamina, 2k regen and 4.1k wpn dmg buffed.
Try again, 12th time lucky.PS4 EU DC
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Oh hey I want to use major mending on my nightblade like a stamplar too, why cant I? I cant unless I wear a resto staff and do a heavy attack
major mending doesnt help a stamplar
Sorry what?? So You want to tell me 25% increased healing doesnt help? Not mentioning same skill it gives that bonus also removes 5 negative effects. It's like saying scales doesnt help stam dk.Edited by juhasman on 10 July 2016 05:380 -
juhasman✭✭✭✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Major Mending doesn't help Stamplars?
Yet every good Stamplar in the game is using that buff...
I think you should spend some time theory crafting your build.
The passive Sacred ground ,Major mending, only occurs when you stand in your rune or your cleansing ritual. That means before I can use rally I have to cast another ability and we all know that if you don't use rally instantly it almost always means death.
The mending passive only works with restoring light skills. Stamplars put skill points in stamina and my champion points in stamina based passives. Breath of life heals are puny for stamplar.
If we get into a duel and are able to keep the fight in our cleansing ritual than our rally is pretty strong but that's a big if.
Ok ok now i get it. You just dont know how templar works overall. So let me explain it to You. 1st of all major mending from templar passive applies to all heals not restoring light only. Also it stays on You all the time You're inside cleansing ritual and 4 seconds after leaving it and if You'll leave it then walk again bonus will refresh. Ritual have 12m radius and last around 20 seconds depends of morph. It's barely impossible to not get major mending. Even in open pvp You can cancel animation of ritual with roll dodge and then use rally+vigor.0 -
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✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Major Mending doesn't help Stamplars?
Yet every good Stamplar in the game is using that buff...
I think you should spend some time theory crafting your build.
The passive Sacred ground ,Major mending, only occurs when you stand in your rune or your cleansing ritual. That means before I can use rally I have to cast another ability and we all know that if you don't use rally instantly it almost always means death.
The mending passive only works with restoring light skills. Stamplars put skill points in stamina and my champion points in stamina based passives. Breath of life heals are puny for stamplar.
If we get into a duel and are able to keep the fight in our cleansing ritual than our rally is pretty strong but that's a big if.
Ok ok now i get it. You just dont know how templar works overall. So let me explain it to You. 1st of all major mending from templar passive applies to all heals not restoring light only. Also it stays on You all the time You're inside cleansing ritual and 4 seconds after leaving it and if You'll leave it then walk again bonus will refresh. Ritual have 12m radius and last around 20 seconds depends of morph. It's barely impossible to not get major mending. Even in open pvp You can cancel animation of ritual with roll dodge and then use rally+vigor.
When your getting bursted down to nothing are you gonna drop a cleansing ritual and them rally bcz you won't have time or are you gonna rally. It's that simple. When it really matters it's you have to cast 2 skills to use it. That's why I said that and you guys are really getting off topic. The hoops people will jump through.....0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Major Mending doesn't help Stamplars?
Yet every good Stamplar in the game is using that buff...
I think you should spend some time theory crafting your build.
The passive Sacred ground ,Major mending, only occurs when you stand in your rune or your cleansing ritual. That means before I can use rally I have to cast another ability and we all know that if you don't use rally instantly it almost always means death.
The mending passive only works with restoring light skills. Stamplars put skill points in stamina and my champion points in stamina based passives. Breath of life heals are puny for stamplar.
If we get into a duel and are able to keep the fight in our cleansing ritual than our rally is pretty strong but that's a big if.
Ok ok now i get it. You just dont know how templar works overall. So let me explain it to You. 1st of all major mending from templar passive applies to all heals not restoring light only. Also it stays on You all the time You're inside cleansing ritual and 4 seconds after leaving it and if You'll leave it then walk again bonus will refresh. Ritual have 12m radius and last around 20 seconds depends of morph. It's barely impossible to not get major mending. Even in open pvp You can cancel animation of ritual with roll dodge and then use rally+vigor.
When your getting bursted down to nothing are you gonna drop a cleansing ritual and them rally bcz you won't have time or are you gonna rally. It's that simple. When it really matters it's you have to cast 2 skills to use it. That's why I said that and you guys are really getting off topic. The hoops people will jump through.....
You are supposed to have cleansing Ritual up all the time.0 -
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✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »Most op skill wat ?
Correct. Name 1 thing I can do to make an impactfull change to being feared? Invest 100 CP's into ironclad only saves you a second of being feared. It Cannot be dodged, bashed, purged or blocked and can be applied on up to 3 targets instantly. On top of that mass hysteria Snares and maims for 4 seconds. But wait there's more, sometimes the break is bugged. Like I originally said, I can live with that. My entire problem is that Every other fear in the game comes with a contingency.
WW means you have to feed to keep up the former and your now vulnerable to poison.
Fighters guild fear only works on undead and daedra.
Trapping webs only works as a synergy.
So why doesn't nightblades?
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✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Major Mending doesn't help Stamplars?
Yet every good Stamplar in the game is using that buff...
I think you should spend some time theory crafting your build.
The passive Sacred ground ,Major mending, only occurs when you stand in your rune or your cleansing ritual. That means before I can use rally I have to cast another ability and we all know that if you don't use rally instantly it almost always means death.
The mending passive only works with restoring light skills. Stamplars put skill points in stamina and my champion points in stamina based passives. Breath of life heals are puny for stamplar.
If we get into a duel and are able to keep the fight in our cleansing ritual than our rally is pretty strong but that's a big if.
Ok ok now i get it. You just dont know how templar works overall. So let me explain it to You. 1st of all major mending from templar passive applies to all heals not restoring light only. Also it stays on You all the time You're inside cleansing ritual and 4 seconds after leaving it and if You'll leave it then walk again bonus will refresh. Ritual have 12m radius and last around 20 seconds depends of morph. It's barely impossible to not get major mending. Even in open pvp You can cancel animation of ritual with roll dodge and then use rally+vigor.
When your getting bursted down to nothing are you gonna drop a cleansing ritual and them rally bcz you won't have time or are you gonna rally. It's that simple. When it really matters it's you have to cast 2 skills to use it. That's why I said that and you guys are really getting off topic. The hoops people will jump through.....RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Major Mending doesn't help Stamplars?
Yet every good Stamplar in the game is using that buff...
I think you should spend some time theory crafting your build.
The passive Sacred ground ,Major mending, only occurs when you stand in your rune or your cleansing ritual. That means before I can use rally I have to cast another ability and we all know that if you don't use rally instantly it almost always means death.
The mending passive only works with restoring light skills. Stamplars put skill points in stamina and my champion points in stamina based passives. Breath of life heals are puny for stamplar.
If we get into a duel and are able to keep the fight in our cleansing ritual than our rally is pretty strong but that's a big if.
Ok ok now i get it. You just dont know how templar works overall. So let me explain it to You. 1st of all major mending from templar passive applies to all heals not restoring light only. Also it stays on You all the time You're inside cleansing ritual and 4 seconds after leaving it and if You'll leave it then walk again bonus will refresh. Ritual have 12m radius and last around 20 seconds depends of morph. It's barely impossible to not get major mending. Even in open pvp You can cancel animation of ritual with roll dodge and then use rally+vigor.
When your getting bursted down to nothing are you gonna drop a cleansing ritual and them rally bcz you won't have time or are you gonna rally. It's that simple. When it really matters it's you have to cast 2 skills to use it. That's why I said that and you guys are really getting off topic. The hoops people will jump through.....
You are supposed to have cleansing Ritual up all the time.
Gotcha. I'll try that. This is getting off topic though. Want to focus this back on the differences between fears in this game.0 -
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✭✭✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Major Mending doesn't help Stamplars?
Yet every good Stamplar in the game is using that buff...
I think you should spend some time theory crafting your build.
The passive Sacred ground ,Major mending, only occurs when you stand in your rune or your cleansing ritual. That means before I can use rally I have to cast another ability and we all know that if you don't use rally instantly it almost always means death.
The mending passive only works with restoring light skills. Stamplars put skill points in stamina and my champion points in stamina based passives. Breath of life heals are puny for stamplar.
If we get into a duel and are able to keep the fight in our cleansing ritual than our rally is pretty strong but that's a big if.
Ok ok now i get it. You just dont know how templar works overall. So let me explain it to You. 1st of all major mending from templar passive applies to all heals not restoring light only. Also it stays on You all the time You're inside cleansing ritual and 4 seconds after leaving it and if You'll leave it then walk again bonus will refresh. Ritual have 12m radius and last around 20 seconds depends of morph. It's barely impossible to not get major mending. Even in open pvp You can cancel animation of ritual with roll dodge and then use rally+vigor.
When your getting bursted down to nothing are you gonna drop a cleansing ritual and them rally bcz you won't have time or are you gonna rally. It's that simple. When it really matters it's you have to cast 2 skills to use it. That's why I said that and you guys are really getting off topic. The hoops people will jump through.....
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