Xylphan wrote: »

So, do you always blame the victim or is that just a game thing you do?

I'm not quite sure what you are a victim of....

Prices dropped a little so now you aren't making as much gold?
It's a freaking game, bud.
Prices for mats, especially vr1 to vr14 are going to massively drop when DB drops anyway.
If you can't overcome the price drop and don't want to wait a little while for prices to recover, find a different item to start selling to make some gold. There is always something that people are willing to buy.

daemonios wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

Xylphan wrote: »

So, do you always blame the victim or is that just a game thing you do?

I'm not quite sure what you are a victim of....

Prices dropped a little so now you aren't making as much gold?
It's a freaking game, bud.
Prices for mats, especially vr1 to vr14 are going to massively drop when DB drops anyway.
If you can't overcome the price drop and don't want to wait a little while for prices to recover, find a different item to start selling to make some gold. There is always something that people are willing to buy.

The market consequences don't seem to be that serious. My gripe is mainly that ZOS is promoting a cheater culture, no exploit is off-limits. You can see it daily in Cyrodiil with the jumping into keeps (ZOS have confirmed multiple times that it's considered an exploit) and in some cases it can impact even PvE content (e.g. leaderboards with people using the multiple mundus exploit for months).

PROMOTING is imo way to strong a word.

Is everyone not ACTIVELY involved in punishment of insider trading, or burglarly or shoplifting guiltybof promoting those crimes?

No.

Promotion requires an sctive endorsement or support.

If you believe ZOS punishments are too light, thats one thing. It may be negligent or ignoring or even permitting in your view.

But promotion is none of those.

Imo

I am amazed this thread is still going on. ZOS has no way to track what is in your inventory. Otherwise they would have returned my boyfriend's lost crown soul gems when they didn't go in the bank and he deleted a character. He got this *** about restoring the character inventory could delete everything in his bank.

ZOS can't remove the materials. It's limitations in their engine. Do you want them to rework the engine so they can, or do you want them to fix bugs and Cyrodil lag.

And sorry. There is no room for both.

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

ZOS has no way to track what is in your inventory.

This is completely inaccurate.

If it's inaccurate, where's the proof they CAN?

Xylphan wrote: »

I'm not the victim, ZOS and the broader community are.

Again, with this very specific post, not sure who ANY victims are. Prices for certain mats supposedly dropped, something I never ever noticed, or knew about til I read this. I fail to see how anyone suffers from this. Frankly, dropping prices slightly you would think would be an all right thing, allowing more of the poorer players the ability to buy more instead of farming. But greed, bro. I guess? I don't know, call me a sociopath after reading a few posts on a site for a video game where you are upset about the prices of mats dropping... yeah, seems legit.

Xylphan wrote: »

Which has rules, terms, and conditions that you agreed to when you signed up to play. Among those rules is not to hack or use exploits. Sociopaths believe that such rules don't apply to them and I've seen numerous players just like you post angry rants about being perma-banned "unjustly" for not following the rules. Most people have a moral compass of some sort and realize that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

And openly admitting to using exploits on a ZOS controlled forum? Not exactly the best idea. You see, now they can nuke your account from orbit, and have your admission in writing for justification. Don't be too surprised to receive an email from ZOS, quoting your post, and politely saying your business is no longer welcome.

I just spent some time reading their terms of service, didn't see a mention about using in game exploits. If they(ZOS) wants to suspend or ban me for openingly admitting to "using in game exploits" based off of a post I put up on a forum that never actually mentions specifically which one I did, that's fine. Maybe they should worry less about that, and more on the game breaking lag and crashes, but that's just a thought.

Xylphan wrote: »

And you continue with the self-justification for openly violating the rules. o_O

Whatever. Why even play the game if all you're going to do is cheat and exploit?

I actually don't just cheat and exploit the game, you just assume I do. If you consider going fishing in wrothgar while it's double pulling fish a exploit, well frankly I am not going to wait around and see how long it's going to take ZOS to fix this and just not fish, so yeah, I cheat. If, somehow, someone found a way to one shot every single player every single time with a series of broken skills or something like that, go ahead punish that player. To punish a player for fishing, come on.
And really, you mean to tell me you never used the pig farm? That place was so busy, sometimes you would have to wait for people to leave, or so I'm told.
Again, it's a game, and I still really don't see the issue here, I suppose that's because I'm a sociopath. Or maybe I just don't understand how people are upset because the price of some in-game item supposedly dropped....

GaldorP wrote: »

I posted this before in another thread that was deleted.

Current legendary upgrade material prices based on MM data from one of the most active trading guilds on PC EU server:

Tempering Alloy:

Dreugh Wax:

Rosin:

Don't see a huge impact from the exploit yet. Will see how it changes in a few days.

Is that a 45 gold tempering allow in there?

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

I couldn't give to craps about the exploiters getting rich. They are only making personal gains, I'm not being affected. The only way it could possibly hurt me is if I buy tempers pff them, oh wait. They sell them cheaper than what regular farmers would sell them for.. Thanks for the deal!

see the post above yours. but aside from the economy damage the main problem here is the precedent it sets and the feeling of impunity exploiters will garner from this. not to mention the advantages having a lot of gold gives exploiters over people who play fair.

It's sounds an aweful

Bossdonut wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

I posted this before in another thread that was deleted.

Current legendary upgrade material prices based on MM data from one of the most active trading guilds on PC EU server:

Tempering Alloy:

Dreugh Wax:

Rosin:

Don't see a huge impact from the exploit yet. Will see how it changes in a few days.

Is that a 45 gold tempering allow in there?

Wow that's really screwed the market then

It was just 1. Probably a noob selling it.

So y'all mad cause you can get gold mats cheap THE F*CK.

Ohh by the way when DB drops and the prices go up for gold mats cause of new armors and traits upgrades how will you know normal sells from the exploiters that saved them mats and sell at the normal price is groups of 8?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So y'all mad cause you can get gold mats cheap THE F*CK.

Ohh by the way when DB drops and the prices go up for gold mats cause of new armors and traits upgrades how will you know normal sells from the exploiters that saved them mats and sell at the normal price is groups of 8?

Uh, no. People are mad because of cheating and little being done about it. How is this not obvious?

sickboy2808 wrote: »

What the heck was pig farm bug??

It was a place in the game (don't remember where) where there were a lot of pigs giving hide and respawning quite instantly or extremely quickly. People used to farm them intensively since it was very easy and "neverending", and got a lot of tempers, including gold tempers, from refining the hides.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So y'all mad cause you can get gold mats cheap THE F*CK.

Ohh by the way when DB drops and the prices go up for gold mats cause of new armors and traits upgrades how will you know normal sells from the exploiters that saved them mats and sell at the normal price is groups of 8?

You see that thing flying over your head? That was the point of most comments here. You missed it. It's not about cheap mats, it's about cheaters not being punished, which promotes further cheating in the future.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ZENIMAX handled the issue really well.

rewarding exploiters is not a good thing ZOS.

And how do I know? It is quite obvious if people sell materials 2k lower than usual all of the sudden in all zone chats lol.

At least now everyone know what to do the next time such an "opportunity" arises... just hope it doesn't involve a ridiculously expensive NPC

I am late as he'll to thread, but is the same note to a different song.
Did for NOT punish exploiters. We haad the problem of item supers in the beginning of the game. I can understand, it is hard to tell, sometimes.... sometimes... sometimea to tell from the exploiters from the exploiters. I duped some items too, and didn't even know... but they seen to ignore the people who actually get to f*** the econmy/get an advantage. Tak a me for instance... I duped MAYBE 300 iron ore. I noticed, did NOT report, but I I did not purposly abuse it. -innocent (I hope). But why are people allowed to walk free for something that knew would give an ufair advantage? I never understood this. It makes me want to take advantage too, because why not?

Okay lets see pass the rage for three seconds for the real point you're mad cause they got away with it right? How about those that used to bug and don't know it was bugged? If players X and Y knew it was a bug and made gold to benefit themselves then easy judgment right? What about Player Z who made Gold and got Mats from the bug don't or know at first that it was a bug how then are they handled?

Should ZoS take all their gold and all the mats, lifetime ban for a bug in the coding on they don't make? Exploiter will always p*ss everyone off but guess what the number of people unknowingly benefiting from any given exploit is always higher then the ones doing it for the exploit.

Great example is the Axe bleed bug I used Axes on my DK and Shadow Tank cause a little more damage from a Great sword on tank build was a waste same as armor pen from Hammers with no power behind it I used the Axes for the bleed. Now with the bug there should I have been punished for using Axes I got more kills in PvP meaning it was an EXP, AP, PvP mail and Leveling exploit all in one. I even more after a week knew it was a bug. Should I have been punished? Hell no I don't make the bug and used Axes before it was a bugged thing.

To punish those that openly exploited and not all the players that used the exploit knowingly or not is not fair. Unless the player farm a ton of mats you can't truly know maybe the player was not trying to be greedy and only made gold mats from themselves. How can you be sure which is which you can't. Should players selling mats next update be banned as they easily could have been using patience, how about the player that gold full sets of Armor and Weapons next update?

Looking at this as well they cleared did it so just ban them and no getting the other that clearly benefited would be unfair. You all are looking at this with zero thought to players that don't know or player that knew and wanted to wait till the coast was clear to make their money. That a 22 year old American and 1 of just 17 black people that play the game is the voice of Reason highlights the sad state of these Forums.

daemonios wrote: »

Just gonna leave Blizzard's statement regarding possible cheating in Overwatch (I bolded some parts for emphasis):

"If a player is found to be cheating—or using hacks, bots, or third-party software that provides any sort of unfair advantage—that player will be permanently banned from the game. Full stop." Blizzard Community Manager Stephanie Johnson writes on the game's forums. "Not only does cheating undermine the spirit of fair play that all of our products are based on, but it works to diminish the fun and enjoyment of others.

I don't think that ZOS has the willpower to do something like this. Willpower was removed after Oblivion.