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RIP SORC!
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Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
Because it's six seconds and there is a ton of CC that can outlast the shield. You won't have time to apply two shields and do DPS with 6 second duration. Every class can now get a shield as well as STA. So you don't see how it can be a nerf? Come n.
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
People are QQ'ing since they can't now just run with shields primed for more than 6 seconds if it takes 7 to get into the fight.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 502 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »So I was optimistic when I first jumped on the PTS, then I ran into THIS guy...
LOL, WHAT? Is this what ZOS calls "balancing stamina"?
They needed to nerf my Ward for this???
By the way I DID kill that guy after 3 or 4 tries, but it wasn't easy and I think he might have been AFK, LOL.
You think that's bad, you outta get hit by overload. At least incapacitating strike can't be spammed. Also I have never been hit that hard by an ambush. Maybe 4k max (I wear all impenetrable, and I'm a Nord with 67 points into hardy). However I've gotten hit by overload for 10k with the same gear set up and 87 points into elemental defender.3 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
Because it's six seconds and there is a ton of CC that can outlast the shield. You won't have time to apply two shields and do DPS with 6 second duration. Every class can now get a shield as well as STA. So you don't see how it can be a nerf? Come n.
isnt that the point. now a sorc has to decide to defend or attack.4 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭shield duration is annoying - maybe 10-12 seconds would have been bearable. The dawnbreaker change is by far the worst for my sorc. Dawnbreaker of smiting has such good synergy with the sorc rotation. Please rethink this change otherwise what is our option for cheap ulti like that?
whats stam option for ult? makes sense that mage guild gets mag and fighters guild gets stam.0 -
ishilb14_ESO✭✭✭✭I'm happy shield stacking got nerfed. God forbid sorcs have to actually put work into staying alive.Original DC #Bloodthorn2014
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »So I was optimistic when I first jumped on the PTS, then I ran into THIS guy...
LOL, WHAT? Is this what ZOS calls "balancing stamina"?
They needed to nerf my Ward for this???
By the way I DID kill that guy after 3 or 4 tries, but it wasn't easy and I think he might have been AFK, LOL.
you can get those numbers on a mag build too.1 -
ishilb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
Only time a sorc's shield lasts longer than 6 seconds in a fight is if they are hiding behind a tree like a puss.Original DC #Bloodthorn2014
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Officer - Mega Best Friends
Officer - Eminent Gaming3 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
Because it's six seconds and there is a ton of CC that can outlast the shield. You won't have time to apply two shields and do DPS with 6 second duration. Every class can now get a shield as well as STA. So you don't see how it can be a nerf? Come n.
isnt that the point. now a sorc has to decide to defend or attack.
I was explaining to Zabus how it was a nerf because he "Honestly couldn't see how people think this is a nerf." So to recap, hardened ward duration went from 20 seconds to 6 seconds and every other class has a shield that has the same effect whether STA build or MAG.
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boundsy88✭✭✭i dont care much for the hardened ward duration change, but harness magicka is use by all classes and shouldnt suffer from sorcs abusing the skill for so long3 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
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So it encourages sorcerers to play smart. What's the big deal. I'm a sorcerer and I don't see this as an issue. Something had to be done about sorcerers they are simply too strong in PvP.
Get on Pts. fight someone with fear. ur going to lose every single time.
This is nothing new to anyone who didn't have Ward.2 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Well, we all know that Zenimax just can't balance at all. They're really just incompetent at anything else than nice storylines and shiny effects, any balance is thrown out the window for the next shiny crown store item that costs 5k crowns each (hello merchant and banker). We got the power creep that just keeps going up more and more, PvP is just a major gankfest and PvE is just all about dps.
R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD8 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
Because it's six seconds and there is a ton of CC that can outlast the shield. You won't have time to apply two shields and do DPS with 6 second duration. Every class can now get a shield as well as STA. So you don't see how it can be a nerf? Come n.
isnt that the point. now a sorc has to decide to defend or attack.
I was explaining to Zabus how it was a nerf because he "Honestly couldn't see how people think this is a nerf." So to recap, hardened ward duration went from 20 seconds to 6 seconds and every other class has a shield that has the same effect whether STA build or MAG.
im sorry but what class has a shield that scales from mag? other classes have to go outside their respective classes to get a shield like that. Besides, most sorcs i dont believe realize how often they use their shields. Most sorcs are refreshing them inside 6 sec anyways.0 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.
i did, and the ward change is the only one i take issue with. i believe a far more reasonable change is 10 sec and 12 sec, the way it is now is just far far far to much of a reduction
That's fair. Shields as a whole is something that got changed so it's worth trying these out (maybe even in Cyrodiil against other players) to see how it feels. We'll be publishing individual feedback threads for all the classes in a bit, and you can post your thoughts there after giving it a test run.
The issue with this change is that Sorcs have no innate survivability outside of their wards. Coupled with the fact that sorcs already struggle to keep up with other damage dealers in both PvE and PvP unless they choose to sacrifice health, regen, and resistances to pump up max magicka and spell damage, this change will effectively reduce sorcs to either hitting like a wet paper towel or melting if their target lasts any more than 30 seconds due to the cost needed to maintain their only means of survival.
Simply put, Sorcs will be forced to either attempt to emulate NBs, only without the same capacity to burst or escape, or become mediocre DPS's with mediocre survivability.10 -
Jsmalls✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.
As far as magicka sorcerers go all that was really changed was the spell absorption (still not worth slotting in normal circumstances) and the nerfs to wards (Sorcs can't afford another two slot loss for pets most of us are already gimped to 3 skills to match other classes in DPS). Everything else was classwide.
I'm a bit upset that the Sorcerers' unique all damage type shield is also now being given to all builds through the light armor and undaunted skill lines.
I'm not destroyed by the 6 second time frame, 10 would be a better compromise, but I'd survive with 6.
And with everyone in PvP now running a damage shield Surge is more useless than it was before.
I just see it as each class has a unique defense mechanic. Sorcs had their Ward, DKs had wings, NB had cloak, and Temps had BoL.
Now everyone has a damage shield comparable to a Sorcs Ward, so what is my unique defense?
I can't even run away from the fight with streak without it costing me 2 arms and 2 legs.
Just curious as to why it was decided that full damage shields would be given to all classes?10 -
ForsakenSin✭✭✭✭✭
✭well i guess there will be allot of "overload , overload ,overload ,ward ,overload ,overload,overload , ward"
As many players will be reduced to that to keep alive .. and on next patch overload will be nerferd
"By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
"You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."3 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yep Sorcs are dead now well either time for me to leave the game or play my Templar I expected Templars to get a buff but I don't think they did.Edited by RebornV3x on 26 April 2016 02:37Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.1 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
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Not really the issue. The reason i loved sorc was because it wasn't spammy. this change just turned it into you now have spam your defense and i hate that ***. you have no choice now, spam or gtfo.Invictus5 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
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Not really the issue. The reason i loved sorc was because it wasn't spammy. this change just turned it into you now have spam your defense and i hate that ***. you have no choice now, spam or gtfo.
Yes because spam=once every 6 seconds.2 -
b92303008rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.
Thing is the rest of the changes are lackluster and since when are 8 changes considered many changes?1 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »
Not really the issue. The reason i loved sorc was because it wasn't spammy. this change just turned it into you now have spam your defense and i hate that ***. you have no choice now, spam or gtfo.
Yes because spam=once every 6 seconds.
more like every 2-3 seconds. and yes it is spammy and not just for sorcs.Edited by Lucky28 on 26 April 2016 03:00Invictus2 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »
Not really the issue. The reason i loved sorc was because it wasn't spammy. this change just turned it into you now have spam your defense and i hate that ***. you have no choice now, spam or gtfo.
Yes because spam=once every 6 seconds.
more like every 2-3 seconds. and yes it is spammy and not just for sorcs.
If your hitting your shields every 2 or 3 seconds, this nerf doesn't apply to you anyway because it is still being used before it is expired. I'm sorry but having to time your shields in 6 second windows is fine. Other players do this sort of thing on the regular. The most popular one being vigor. This is not the nerf everyone thinks it is. Just merely a bunch of overreacting fools who probably don't even realize how often they currently apply their shields and that 20 seconds was really a waste when someone is constantly attacking you anyway.2 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »
Not really the issue. The reason i loved sorc was because it wasn't spammy. this change just turned it into you now have spam your defense and i hate that ***. you have no choice now, spam or gtfo.
Yes because spam=once every 6 seconds.
more like every 2-3 seconds. and yes it is spammy and not just for sorcs.
If your hitting your shields every 2 or 3 seconds, this nerf doesn't apply to you anyway because it is still being used before it is expired. I'm sorry but having to time your shields in 6 second windows is fine. Other players do this sort of thing on the regular. The most popular one being vigor. This is not the nerf everyone thinks it is. Just merely a bunch of overreacting fools who probably don't even realize how often they currently apply their shields and that 20 seconds was really a waste when someone is constantly attacking you anyway.
lemme get this straight here. I say " i loved the sorc because it wasn't spammy" and your rebuttal is "well other classes spam"....... like really dude?.Edited by Lucky28 on 26 April 2016 03:29Invictus5 -
nihonseanb14_ESO✭✭✭Conjured Ward: Reduced the duration of this ability and the Hardened Ward morph to 6 seconds from 20 seconds.
Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph): Reduced the duration of this morph to 8 seconds from 20 seconds.
Idk what to say..
Lol, if 20 seconds of hardened ward are the only thing propping up your build you're doing something wrong.
That being said, the reduction is a bit severe, All shields should be at around 10 seconds, so you can cast and then go back to your dps/tanking/heals bar and still have enough time on it for the shield to be useful. Zeni really needs to look at how people are placing shields on their bars and factor that into their recalculation of timers.1 -
ForsakenSin✭✭✭✭✭
✭They should make Bastion instead of making the shield stronger to give shield longer time or have another CP skill line adding the shield duration and done..
then everybody can customize the duration of their shield"By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
"You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."4 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »
Not really the issue. The reason i loved sorc was because it wasn't spammy. this change just turned it into you now have spam your defense and i hate that ***. you have no choice now, spam or gtfo.
Yes because spam=once every 6 seconds.
more like every 2-3 seconds. and yes it is spammy and not just for sorcs.
If your hitting your shields every 2 or 3 seconds, this nerf doesn't apply to you anyway because it is still being used before it is expired. I'm sorry but having to time your shields in 6 second windows is fine. Other players do this sort of thing on the regular. The most popular one being vigor. This is not the nerf everyone thinks it is. Just merely a bunch of overreacting fools who probably don't even realize how often they currently apply their shields and that 20 seconds was really a waste when someone is constantly attacking you anyway.
lemme get this straight here. I say " i loved the sorc because it wasn't spammy" and your rebuttal is "well other classes spam"....... like really dude?.
Not at all. I'm saying having to refresh shields every 6 seconds to survive does not make it spammy. Spam does not equal reapplying a buff every 6 seconds. It is inherently not spamming.0
