RIP SORC!

ginoboehm

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

GOOD a good way to handle shield stacking i like

don't you understand the patch you can now stack even more shields

AfkNinja

ginoboehm wrote: »

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

GOOD a good way to handle shield stacking i like

don't you understand the patch you can now stack even more shields

And Stamina Sorc now has a stamina shield in Bone Shield. Will have to test but it looks good to me.

jeskah

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

Khm, is the patch notes regarding sorcerers are full? Did you not missed anything? An another stamina morph maybe, or pet stamina scaling... something?

(The sparking morph seems nice on paper tough, but... we all hoped for more i think)

ginoboehm

AfkNinja wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

GOOD a good way to handle shield stacking i like

don't you understand the patch you can now stack even more shields

And Stamina Sorc now has a stamina shield in Bone Shield. Will have to test but it looks good to me.

which every class has. plus dks nbs and templar have gotten gigantic stamina buffs so if you are the worst and all the others got a buff that you got to plus their own buffs where does that leave you?

strikeback1247

This was all to be expected! Since templar got buffed and even became OP according to some people, we needed a new trashcan. Enjoy sorcs!

Spacefish2323

My take on the sorc changes from the natch potes:

Thank the Eight I got my magicka Templar to V16 during the cake.

ginoboehm

Spacefish2323 wrote: »

My take on the sorc changes from the natch potes:

Thank the Eight I got my magicka Templar to V16 during the cake.

which will fall down the food chain a lot. no idea what people talking about sorcs can have crazy big shields now beeing unkillable if they don't run out of magicka or stamina. you can now stack harness magicka to absorb all damage too.

Emma_Overload

Rylana wrote: »

I cackle with glee at the sorc changes. You fools that see only duration as something important have no idea how strong all flavors of sorc just became.

Between skill stacks, timed rotation, and proper gear, the sorc has returned to glory.

Yeah, it could be a lot worse, that's for sure. How often does a Ward last more than 6 seconds in the middle of intense PvP combat? Practically never. The 6 second nerf is more of an inconvenience when you're NOT fighting anything. For that reason alone I wished they would walk back the nerf to 12 seconds or something.

Darkonflare15

ShalidorsHeir wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!
remove dawnbreaker from sorc = FORCE ALL SORCS TO BE BRAINLESS METOER AND OVERLOAD SPAMMING
6 secs shields? DID U EVER PLAY IN MSA???
shields -> okay - make power surge a better heal and everythings is fine - but remove dawnbreaker - so every sorcs play the same?!? why there is no mana and stam morph for the guild ultimates?
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why dont make beam working at 100%? why dont remove shields completly from the game? WHERE IS THE STAM SORC??? why playing ESO IF BALANCED GAMES ARE OUT THERE!?!

And now stamina classes has finally got a true stamina ultimate that is not a class skill.

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Ahzek

@ShalidorsHeir You seem unreasonably angry. Look at me. I have a right to be angry. Enjoy your annulment. Ill just go into that corner over there.

Cinbri

It affect all shields as it was mentioned

Emma_Overload

AfkNinja wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

GOOD a good way to handle shield stacking i like

don't you understand the patch you can now stack even more shields

And Stamina Sorc now has a stamina shield in Bone Shield. Will have to test but it looks good to me.

So does everybody else, though. What do Stam Sorcs have that makes them different (in a good way)? Critical Surge doesn't heal for jack in PvP.

Pallio

So shield nerfs and ignored the stam sorc again, although WB nerf was a nice touch that will effect them too. :-(

Rex-Umbra

Been loving my Sorc but agree it was easy mode. The pet changes should help those whom want to use pets in cyrodiil a bit.

covenant_merchant

@ShalidorsHeir feeling your rage for dawnbreaker, man. I mean come on, it's honestly a very good ulti in PVP, and here they go putting 2 physical damage morphs. Really? I mean that kind of ruins the whole existence of builds with burst (deto+curse+dawnbreaker).
But hey, at least negate is better \o/

Also, while yes, in a fight you are forced to recast your shieds often, unless you are getting zerged, it takes usually a bit longer than 6 seconds for both shields to expire. And they do cost quite a lot even with reduc cost glyphs/CP/whatever compared to crushing shock etc. I mean as I see it, sorcs will just be forced to play on the defensive most of the time, and eventually be relegated to support class (ohio there, winged twilight).
And again, what on earth is up with the dawnbreaker changes! This actually makes me rage far more than the shields' duration.
I mean the rest of the changes are nice, I guess. But why would they nerf magicka classes in addition to buffing up stamina? This is really not how balancing works. (stamblade will be op though, lets all reroll!)

ManDraKE

Thing is, with the change to harness magika, sorcs now have even more defense vs stam builds, reduce to 8seconds isn't a big deal, at least not for pc where we have buff trackers (sorry console players lol). Overall, shield stacking got buffed imo.

About changing dawnbreaker to physical...common, i play sorc a lot and the burst damage from mines+frag+curse+endless fury+dawnbreaker was insane, you don't even needed the execute, it was almost imposible to fight a sorc withouth 1h&s. I'm gonna have to re-think my build, dawnbreaker was a really important part of it, but is not a big deal imo, except for the fact that WWs are going to be a pain in the ass to deal as a magika class.

Joy_Division

CyrusArya wrote: »

From what I can tell, shields are still stackable, still cannot be critically hit, and harness absorbs physical damage as well now. Also consider that in an actual combat situation where you are under pressure, hardened wouldn't last much more than 6 seconds anyways.

All they did was bring the duration of the shield in line with other shields (still by far the strongest), while making shield stacking stronger than ever. If you think this is a nerf to sorcs, I'm the one that doesn't know what to say.

It's relative.

Right now on Live, it is effortless to 24/7/365 have a shield up that blocks everything that no other class has access to.

On the PTS, I have the same shield, but it's now a combat only shield like the Templar's and all of a sudden every class and every opponent basically has the same thing as I do: a shield that scales off their desired attribute that blocks everything.

I'm not so much as nerfed as inconvenienced ... and all of a sudden everyone else now has access to what I once had exclusively.

Birdovic

R.I.P my beloved Dawnbreaker.

And whats up with that sorc' shield duration, wow.
I just imagined vmsa with this shield lol.
Atleast keep it special compared to other shields and leave it at 12 seconds or something, so there is no need to recast it every 2 used abilities.

A sad day for Mag Sorc (oh and Stam sorc, too)

vortexman11

How in the world does this kill the sorc class? When in combat you're using your shields alot more than once every 6 seconds anyways.

Hymzir

Welcome to the world of 6 second shields, we Templars have been living here for ages. In all seriousness though, it's a nerf that was long due for, and it really only affects glass cannon builds, who rely on massive burst and using shield stacking to ignore all damage. You know the type - jumping about alone taunting you to attack, and if you do... Well, they throw ton of crap on you while absorbing all incoming damage with shields, then bolt away to safety, stack all their shields once more, and then come to burst you some more protected by their insane shields.

With 6 second shield duration all around, you can't pre-cast three shields for ridiculous damage absorption and then charge into combat. You need to use shields during combat, think of it as a magicka based pre-emptive blocking. If you try to stack shields in combat... then that's all you will be doing.

Templar class shield still sucks in PVP compared to Hardened Ward, but at least Annulment will give me a meaningful replacement now. And as a Templar, I'm used to working with 6 second shields. With time, I'm sure the sorc population will learn how to manage it too.

DODHitman

This is a nerf plain and simple. As said previously 6 sec. just isn't enough time, they are our "ONLY" line of defense. If your shields aren't up, your dead....period. Making one of our shields take phys dam doesn't mean anything either. Will it help, sure....but doesn't help the 6 sec. issue. In all honesty, between server lag and weapon swap alone, 6 secs is almost up and there goes your dps. I mean, peeps already laugh when a sorc is running and doing nothing but popping shields, that's all we are going to be able to do now. (exaggerated) I also might have missed it, but I haven't seen anything mentioned about the amount of resources that are now going to be spent. Are they going to do anything about cost reductions since they are making us cast it "4x more often" to equal what it was??

So in a nutshell:
less time
More resources
DPS cut in half reapplying shields to stay alive

"but it can do phys dam too" - "this isnt a nerf" lol......this is a joke!

The possible/reasonable fix:
As others have already stated, cut it in half first....common since, just maybe?

Morimizo

There is no way that whoever made this change actually plays;

If a player normally uses two shields, 6 seconds is barely long enough to cast them, launch a light attack (forget a heavy attack now) and charge in, but OOPS! Both shields are gone.

I understand that folks in PVP hate shield stacking, and want it gone, but isn't there a more innovative solution?

How about, only one buff at a time (but leave the previous duration alone), or have different lengths for PVP or PVE? I doubt PVE players complained about shield stacking...

Or, let healers also handle the buffs?

If these times stick, I will adapt by NOT buffing at all, even if it means perishing more often.

Ishammael

This isn't a big deal. Rylana and Derra are correct. In fact, your emergency shield spamming will be even better because of the changes to annulment (which is huge). The sorcerer still gets a defensive ability that scales with its offensive stats.

bowmanz607

O man. Now you need to choose to play defense or offense or some balance of the two. Ahhhhhbbbb. Come on now.

Archmage1

@ZOS, seriously?? Can't you guys do incremental changes?! This is absolutely ridiculous. 6sec shield NERF which is a class ability. PLUS, you basically give every other class a hardened ward. I have been on the fence with this game and my subscription for a while now ...this DLC has made the decision for me. I am done with ESO.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

what many people who are saying this is some kinda buff are not getting, 6 seconds, do you know how quickly that passes in combat? we sorces will literally spend every magicka we have on spamming them, what little time we had before to thow out dps is now gone

our dps has been literally cut, we were already horrible dps before this, but now?

if this patch goes out as is, sorcs will be useless

Rylana

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

what many people who are saying this is some kinda buff are not getting, 6 seconds, do you know how quickly that passes in combat? we sorces will literally spend every magicka we have on spamming them, what little time we had before to thow out dps is now gone

our dps has been literally cut, we were already horrible dps before this, but now?

if this patch goes out as is, sorcs will be useless

I know exactly how long six seconds is. Its an eternity where I can take over 10 actions, actually. 12 if my ultimate is up. How? Figure that out yourself.

NBrookus

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Obsidian shield for DKs got changed to 6 secs too so it's not like that just went after Sorcs.

But Obsidian Shield is typically so small it had to be recast anyway by then. Unless you are a tank, it's about as useful as Sun Shield.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

welcome to blazing shield. back when when it used to be badass it was not scaled off dps stat and only lasted 6 seconds; and since then isnt even usable unless your whole build is designed around it with a huge nerf to your dps making your shield vialble. ill i can say is boo hoo, welcome to reactionary casting instead of 100% uptime

DKsUnite

its moved the sorc away from no skill to skill again. No longer will you have pug sorcs being better then you just on class design. Hopefully they move all classes to more skill and less class mechanic winning designs.