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RIP SORC!

  • JubJub
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    I'm loving all these changes so far :)
  • Rylana
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    its moved the sorc away from no skill to skill again. No longer will you have pug sorcs being better then you just on class design. Hopefully they move all classes to more skill and less class mechanic winning designs.

    THIS, finally someone gets it.

    Us OG's that played sorc long before the 1.6 reroll craze have watched our class get ridiculed and attacked for months because of the terribad fotm rerolls using cheese templates.

    The men will be separated from the boys now, and good riddance if you ask me. The good sorcs will stay, the bads will go away. And those of us that stay, wont really change to our opponents, we will be as strong as we ever were.
    Edited by Rylana on 25 April 2016 23:36
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  • Pomaikai
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    ginoboehm wrote: »
    you guys realize that you can cast even bigger shields now? harness magicka protects against physical damage now too. the recasting will be annoying tho but since the shields can absorb more now it should work out to actually be stronger. stamina sorcs are *****d tho

    Do you realize that stacking those shields would be only pain since just after you put them all on you can cast maybe two skills and then recast the shields again....

    As all the Templars say, "Welcome to our house..."
  • NativeJoe
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    It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

    Am... and feel incredibly weak. now when someone comes up to my pet build with proxy they do 125% more damage, my shields are shot. fear lasts as long or longer then my shields,... my tank sorc is screwed because any stun will automatically leave him open to damage and he'll be done. ummmm...... yeah

    Lost skills we can use as options like dawn breaker and webs...

    equiliberium got better? So literally cutting ourselves for 3k magicka some how got improved? ummmm ....where are the bright sides here. my pets have 5 k more hp in pvp, yet they don't have supporting shields to back that up. empowered ward now grants magicka regen for 8 seconds. ... so it literally cost more to get the regen then it infact would regen itself.

    trying to find some bright sides here... failing miserably. perhaps you can highlight some of those for us to quell the crowds with pitch forks and torches?

    Still don't have supporting gear for pet set ups... nothing since vr12...so...
    Edited by NativeJoe on 25 April 2016 23:43
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  • PainfulFAFA
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    With sorcs running around with 50k magicka, 2k regen, those shield nerfs were needed.
    Did we all just forget that harness magicka now absorbs ALL DAMAGE?.
    Sorcs, you now have 3 shields, ALL of which absorb ALL DAMAGE ffs.
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  • Rylana
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    With sorcs running around with 50k magicka, 2k regen, those shield nerfs were needed.
    Did we all just forget that harness magicka now absorbs ALL DAMAGE?.
    Sorcs, you now have 3 shields, ALL of which absorb ALL DAMAGE ffs.

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  • NativeJoe
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    With sorcs running around with 50k magicka, 2k regen, those shield nerfs were needed.
    Did we all just forget that harness magicka now absorbs ALL DAMAGE?.
    Sorcs, you now have 3 shields, ALL of which absorb ALL DAMAGE ffs.

    except u can't cast 3 together... if u did... you'd only be casting shields...and no attacks
    but let me guess... you still have a problem with them not attack and casting shields right?

    Damn OP sorcs still living <.< they need to die faster.
    Edited by NativeJoe on 25 April 2016 23:57
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  • ForsakenSin
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    T
    It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

    I did read whole sorc patch notes and this is too much of a nerf! Sorc does not have any other decent defence and you cant spam ultimate to heal yourself! Rip my sorc. I am not playing it anymore. I now think of quitting the game overall with this change. I was sub till now but this is making me lose complete interrest since my main is a sorc.



    I agree ... goodbye my mage you shall be missed we had some fun times

    I don't understand it why would they screw this up so much ... in pve we were able to be useful as DPS and been able to sustain as long as we have shields and now ... now its all gone..


    if its not broken why try to fix it ? why not decreasing it to 15 sec from 20


    I really loved playing mage but the way this is going we are going from DPS to try hard healer to i don't even know anymore .. im lost for words for me this is a sad sad day im done

    time to make new character and start all over again
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    However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)



    Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
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    Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
    Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
    Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
    but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

  • Rylana
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    NativeJoe wrote: »
    With sorcs running around with 50k magicka, 2k regen, those shield nerfs were needed.
    Did we all just forget that harness magicka now absorbs ALL DAMAGE?.
    Sorcs, you now have 3 shields, ALL of which absorb ALL DAMAGE ffs.

    except u can't cast 3 together... if u did... you'd only be casting shields...and no attacks

    2, right click, 3 right click, 4 right click, four-five second window to do nasty things.

    repeat as necessary.

    oh, you do know shield cast animations can be canceled by right clicking yes?
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  • NativeJoe
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    Rex-Umbra wrote: »
    Been loving my Sorc but agree it was easy mode. The pet changes should help those whom want to use pets in cyrodiil a bit.

    You do realize a true pet build with these changes is screwed right? 125% more damage to the pet sorc with his pets out. < proxy >
    Edited by NativeJoe on 26 April 2016 00:00
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  • Wollust
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    Heh, now you guys know how it feels to get nerfed. My magDK approves.
    Good thing I never liked my sorc. :trollface:
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  • cpuScientist
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    I play a pet sorc, I play this knowing that I am weaker than a non pet sorc, I play this because I wanted to be different I guess. But my pets relied on me shielding them. Now its just not gonna happen. If I have my pets out proxy will destroy me entirely, they wont be shielded because cost/time ratio is not there. My ward is completely shot for myself as well, my dps is shot as well.

    The entire daedric summoning tree only worked because of wards, I could ward myself so that my burst daedric prey could go off, I could ward my pets so they could last and I could use the amazing abilities you gave them last patch. Now all of that is really dead. The Daedric Summoning Tree is dead, and to add to it, we only get the health boost if one of our amazingly squishy pets is out riiiight.

    It is a dead class now, dead last in both both burst and sustained dps (mainly down to praying to the RNG god we get a frag to proc), we now have by far the worst defense (cant use the pet heal if they get one shotted) or ward up cause it will drain our magicka to maintain. OL is a cheap ulti really, but we are forced into using that (oh but wait that bugs out where it just wont work)

    But hey Negate is neat now.....
  • Caza99
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    I don't see what the problem is lol. My sorcs shield is usually gone in 6 seconds during a fight, and I reapply it every 4-6 anyway.
    Edited by Caza99 on 26 April 2016 00:02
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  • NativeJoe
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    I play a pet sorc, I play this knowing that I am weaker than a non pet sorc, I play this because I wanted to be different I guess. But my pets relied on me shielding them. Now its just not gonna happen. If I have my pets out proxy will destroy me entirely, they wont be shielded because cost/time ratio is not there. My ward is completely shot for myself as well, my dps is shot as well.

    The entire daedric summoning tree only worked because of wards, I could ward myself so that my burst daedric prey could go off, I could ward my pets so they could last and I could use the amazing abilities you gave them last patch. Now all of that is really dead. The Daedric Summoning Tree is dead, and to add to it, we only get the health boost if one of our amazingly squishy pets is out riiiight.

    It is a dead class now, dead last in both both burst and sustained dps (mainly down to praying to the RNG god we get a frag to proc), we now have by far the worst defense (cant use the pet heal if they get one shotted) or ward up cause it will drain our magicka to maintain. OL is a cheap ulti really, but we are forced into using that (oh but wait that bugs out where it just wont work)

    But hey Negate is neat now.....

    Yeah... pet sorc build is dead now. Not that we had supporting gear... but now they've come by and lit the grave on fire.
    Sorc shield tank build. dead.
    Shield stacking sorc. dead.
    Cookie cutter OL build. still alive.

    Diversity just got a whole lot worse.
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  • NativeJoe
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    Caza99 wrote: »
    I don't see what the problem is lol. My sorcs shield is usually gone in 6 seconds during a fight, and I reapply it every 4-6 anyway.

    Because of stuns. cc. fear. ur shield will expire and you'll still be incapacitated and ready to be face rolled.
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  • NativeJoe
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    Rylana wrote: »
    NativeJoe wrote: »
    With sorcs running around with 50k magicka, 2k regen, those shield nerfs were needed.
    Did we all just forget that harness magicka now absorbs ALL DAMAGE?.
    Sorcs, you now have 3 shields, ALL of which absorb ALL DAMAGE ffs.

    except u can't cast 3 together... if u did... you'd only be casting shields...and no attacks

    2, right click, 3 right click, 4 right click, four-five second window to do nasty things.

    repeat as necessary.

    oh, you do know shield cast animations can be canceled by right clicking yes?

    3 seconds... and a bar swap takes one of those. I guess ur going to macro ur way through that to make it possible?
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  • Caza99
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    NativeJoe wrote: »
    Caza99 wrote: »
    I don't see what the problem is lol. My sorcs shield is usually gone in 6 seconds during a fight, and I reapply it every 4-6 anyway.

    Because of stuns. cc. fear. ur shield will expire and you'll still be incapacitated and ready to be face rolled.

    So it encourages sorcerers to play smart. What's the big deal. I'm a sorcerer and I don't see this as an issue. Something had to be done about sorcerers they are simply too strong in PvP.
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  • AriBoh
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    What was @Wrobel saying about not homogenising the classes? The best way to do that is to ...... give..... them all..... the same......... shields....... right.......
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    Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.

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  • NativeJoe
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    Caza99 wrote: »
    NativeJoe wrote: »
    Caza99 wrote: »
    I don't see what the problem is lol. My sorcs shield is usually gone in 6 seconds during a fight, and I reapply it every 4-6 anyway.

    Because of stuns. cc. fear. ur shield will expire and you'll still be incapacitated and ready to be face rolled.

    So it encourages sorcerers to play smart. What's the big deal. I'm a sorcerer and I don't see this as an issue. Something had to be done about sorcerers they are simply too strong in PvP.

    Get on Pts. fight someone with fear. ur going to lose every single time.
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  • Ghostbane
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    If my shields are alive longer than 6s, I'm AFK in a keep.

    An additional 8-10k universal shield via harness? *raises glass*
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  • KenaPKK
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    In my opinion, it won't change anything for PvE or PvP. The shield is just as large as it was before, and it can be cast just as quickly as before. Shield spam will still mitigate the same amount of damage.
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  • ManDraKE
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    In my opinion, it won't change anything for PvE or PvP. The shield is just as large as it was before, and it can be cast just as quickly as before. Shield spam will still mitigate the same amount of damage.

    correction: shield spam mitigates even more damage now, harness magika works with stam dmg.
  • Emma_Overload
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    So I was optimistic when I first jumped on the PTS, then I ran into THIS guy...

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    LOL, WHAT? Is this what ZOS calls "balancing stamina"?

    They needed to nerf my Ward for this???

    By the way I DID kill that guy after 3 or 4 tries, but it wasn't easy and I think he might have been AFK, LOL.
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  • bhlegit
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    shield duration is annoying - maybe 10-12 seconds would have been bearable. The dawnbreaker change is by far the worst for my sorc. Dawnbreaker of smiting has such good synergy with the sorc rotation. Please rethink this change otherwise what is our option for cheap ulti like that?
  • Kirameku
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    When I read this I was like wtf? Thanks PvP noobs, you killed all sorcs. Saying hello to your crooked hands
    Srsly, sorcs needed up a little bit, not this nerf...
  • DisgracefulMind
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    At first I was very wary of this change, but, after thinking on it, I'm fine with it. It'll make playing sorc a lot more fun. As it is, it's easy-mode. Plus the annulment buff basically gives us a double hardened ward =P
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  • ForsakenSin
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    When I read this I was like wtf? Thanks PvP noobs, you killed all sorcs. Saying hello to your crooked hands
    Srsly, sorcs needed up a little bit, not this nerf...


    Agreed with this .. PS Nb are hard to kill as it is and stam nighblades with this new armor in DB...

    933 max stamina , 124 wepon damage, 124 stamina recovery and ...." your attack from stealth inject a leach poison that deals 14k poison damage over 15 sec and heals you for the damage done" set is called The vicecanon

    LOl considering my Mage is 15K health or so with 6 sec shield now ... maybe time to start NB ... lol
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    However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)



    Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
    "You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
    Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
    Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
    Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
    but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

  • Dixa
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Annulment changes are also bad, now protects against all dmg, can be stacked with all other shields. Also, bone shield is the only shield stamina users have and its behind a big grind for undaunted points for ppl who strictly want to pvp.



    i dont see you having to grind undaunted as a bad thing, since most stamina pve players have to grind pvp to get caltrops, and a lot of these changes are hosing pve builds for the sake of pvp
  • Khaos_Bane
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    With sorcs running around with 50k magicka, 2k regen, those shield nerfs were needed.
    Did we all just forget that harness magicka now absorbs ALL DAMAGE?.
    Sorcs, you now have 3 shields, ALL of which absorb ALL DAMAGE ffs.

    And they all have 6 second duration. So stand there and cast shields while doing nothing else?

    Now all classes and all builds have shields.

    Edited by Khaos_Bane on 26 April 2016 01:20
  • Zabus
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    Honestly I don't see how people think this is a nerf. Shields are usually gone within 6 seconds in combat anyways, and when I'm fighting sorcs they usually reapply every 4-6 seconds. Annulment now absorbs physical damage as well and most sorcs stack these 2 shields.
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