I say yes because endgame content is very important and I'd like to see it developed and progressed along with the rest of the game. This is NOT going to happen if it is dominated by a small percentage of players running 8 alts at max CP's and skill. If the vast majority of the games population simply gives up on the endgame because they can't compete with the top players each running 8 alts then the endgame itself will suffer along with perhaps the entire game. At the rate it's going the top players will all have full gold complete sets with best traits of all the new trials gear whilst the rest have absolutely none, and they wont rest on running with 8 alts each until they do. Then these people will be calling for new endgame content when the current stuff has only seen 1% of the players even getting started on it, or even having the chance to do so. It doesn't make sense for ZOS to even contemplate making anything new and to do so they are forced to nerf everything for others to begin catching up.

This to me is the core of the problem why our game is being nerfed into the ground. The gap between the top 1% and the other 99% is huge. But in every guild I'm in no-one has ever complained that vWGT or vICP is too hard, only content that they have yet to learn and best. The top players though have everything that those dungeons can offer gear wise and ZOS needs to allow everyone else to catch up. NERF!! Allowing players to dominate and control the leaderboards with multiple alts only exacerbates this problem, so we're just setting ourselves up for more nerfs to compensate.

Getting a score to stick on the vDSA weekly isn't easy even for the top players. I know many "top" players who, in their effort to get all their characters up, spent countless hours re-doing many runs because they had too many deaths get a score that would stick. And many of them just didn't have the time to get all their characters up before the week was over. I think you greatly underestimate how much time and effort they expend running and re-running to get all their alts up. And, frankly, if they put in that much work, they should get their well-earned decon trash.

Also, people run on different roles. I ran vDSA this week as a tank, healer, and as a DPS. The gameplay is different for each role and character.

Finally, you don't need to be an elite vDSA veteran to get a score that sticks for the weekly now that deaths matter so much more than time. I've taken relative newbies through vDSA weekly runs that were slow. But cautious. The last time vDSA was the weekly, the slow 1-hour run that I did with people uncomfortable with vDSA slightly outscored the 40-minute 4-DPS speedrun because we had fewer deaths in the slow-but-cautious run.

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I would rather see:
1) Consolidate the positions, so a leaderboard spot would be something like (@name) (# of characters) (highest score this week) so this person with alts would take the position of their best score, and any other characters they have that are at or higher than the lowest score on the board would also grant rewards without taking up spaces on the board.
2) Weekly rewards that are not tied to being on the leaderboard in addition to the board rewards, something like score tiers, weekly challenges, completing a number of runs(keep it at level only so we don't have low scaled speed runs or w/e), whatever floats your boat
3) Move more loot into the tables for the trials themselves and reserve the weekly for jewelry or whatever so it's not as big of a deal

in order of how much I like the idea personally

Yeah nice suggestions. I wanted to add a third option of "Other Solution" but it wouldn't let me after I'd made the poll. There does need to be some way of grading the rate of getting new gear instead of: miniscule amount of players get all / vast majority of players get none. As I said this just creates a monumental gap between the two and nerfing is the only way that ZOS seems to be able to rectify this situation at the moment, which NONE of us in either group wants, which is really what I wanted to get at here.

Why are we not seeing any new 4 man dungeons in the new DLC? Because a large proportion of the player base is STILL running through vWGT and vICP trying to grind gear with a atrocious drop rate, and another percentage haven't even started this yet. There's no pressure for ZOS to make anything new. I predict the next trial will be well over a year in the making because of this same issue. When the top players have finally battled their own rng demons on the leaderboards with multiple alts (which will probably never end), THEN the rest of the players have to begin theirs (if even given the chance). But there's a call from the first group to make new content when the second have only just started aaaaand. NERF!!

Just add more leaderboard spots. Problem solved.

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I would rather see:
1) Consolidate the positions, so a leaderboard spot would be something like (@name) (# of characters) (highest score this week) so this person with alts would take the position of their best score, and any other characters they have that are at or higher than the lowest score on the board would also grant rewards without taking up spaces on the board.
2) Weekly rewards that are not tied to being on the leaderboard in addition to the board rewards, something like score tiers, weekly challenges, completing a number of runs(keep it at level only so we don't have low scaled speed runs or w/e), whatever floats your boat
3) Move more loot into the tables for the trials themselves and reserve the weekly for jewelry or whatever so it's not as big of a deal

in order of how much I like the idea personally

This is the best compromise idea ive heard so far. So one will be rewarded for getting multiple toons on leaderboards without affecting those who want to try for leader board spots. +1.

I am all for this

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I would rather see:
1) Consolidate the positions, so a leaderboard spot would be something like (@name) (# of characters) (highest score this week) so this person with alts would take the position of their best score, and any other characters they have that are at or higher than the lowest score on the board would also grant rewards without taking up spaces on the board.
2) Weekly rewards that are not tied to being on the leaderboard in addition to the board rewards, something like score tiers, weekly challenges, completing a number of runs(keep it at level only so we don't have low scaled speed runs or w/e), whatever floats your boat
3) Move more loot into the tables for the trials themselves and reserve the weekly for jewelry or whatever so it's not as big of a deal

in order of how much I like the idea personally

I love #1, there you go ZOS do THAT exactly

No. Those top players EARNED their ranking. Let them have their glory. It isn't easy! And it takes extreme skill.

Lenikus wrote: »

Yes, let's totally punish players taht invest time and energy in the game.

Yet there are people who put even more time and energy into the game but because of diminished skill / fat fingers / cat or kids jumping on the keyboard, can't get on the leaderboards with the current configuration. Aren't these people being punished even more? It isn't as simple as just 'I put x amount of hours into the game so feel justified to get x amount of rewards', because this isn't happening.

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Yes, let's totally punish players taht invest time and energy in the game.

Yet there are people who put even more time and energy into the game but because of diminished skill / fat fingers / cat or kids jumping on the keyboard, can't get on the leaderboards with the current configuration. Aren't these people being punished even more? It isn't as simple as just 'I put x amount of hours into the game so feel justified to get x amount of rewards', because this isn't happening.

Its a reward for the best players. If you are a better sorc than my sorc alt, then you deserve the reward, but if my alt sorc is better than your main sorc then sorry, that is what happens. This is like receiving a bonus for exceeding performance at work. If you didnt exceed the performance, you do not get a reward, how is this not fair? You can still grind Maw for those items.

Taisynn wrote: »

@Logicbomb00 That's the same logic that makes everyone in a kid's soccer league get a trophy even if they lose. The world doesn't work that way. If you're not a top player, you don't get a top reward. You have to earn it with skill and knowledge.

With this logic, we should also make everyone Emporer. Let everyone become Emporer for a day so it's fair.

I don't see a problem with that. Perhaps I'll make that the next poll question. thx It's so unfortunate there's an 'I' in community.......

This is a poll. Not an argument. We had some really nice suggestions about how to make things better. Keep the negativity and ego out of it please.

There's a difference between a discussion and an argument. The former is a productive way of resolving issues that includes putting forward points of view and why these are so. An argument involves directly attacking the people with the opposing point of view and using cute but demeaning images to discredit or attempt to incite a volatile response and is counter-productive.

I can see that you will always be for the latter so I have nothing more to say to you.

The game is moving toward being more alt friendly not less alt friendly.

One place per account, but better reward with how hight you are on the leaderboard, perhaps ? Or ZOS can try to create an evolutive leaderboard who can have eight char from the same account, but who only count as one place (so max eight reward per count -plus the additional slots-, but without blocking the leaderboard for other players).

Oh, and for vMA, one place per account for each classes should be good.