BuggeX wrote: »

, if you die to dots, well l2p and gtfo

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Hello my friends. I have been wearing 5L/1M/1H as a mag dk since v1. Now I am a v16 with 220 cp. I am running s&1h with resto backbar. Invasion into Talons + Lash has been effective in giving me a gap closing capability with high burst damage. During sieges and in open field battles, I get many kills and have good survivability. But as soon as a mob of 4 orgreater focuses on me specifically, Im toast. Ihear of DKs who can basically live forever in cyrodiil. I have 24k spell resist, 12k physical. Should I go 7 heavy and switch from mag to stam and become a tank with moderate damage capabilities? Should I be looking at cap resistances and high health as top priorities?

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Time travel back in time (be Elder Scroll or TARDIS) to PC launch when you had to be a Dunmer vampire in PVP and DKs were at there prime.

so wrong, you just had to s/b, use bash enchanments and bash anyone with 2-3 bashes

dunmer Vamp dk was later

Wait wasn't first vampire dunmer DKs then bash of doom.... or was it bash of doom, then fire impulse, then vamprie dunmer DK.

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

Do you have your own original thoughts? Or do you just wanna keep plagiarizing this dude? Fkn hilarious that you talk about people parroting when you are quite literally doing it yourself.

Xael wrote: »

One whiner makes a doomsday thread and now everyone is parroting the same rhetoric even though it's apparent most of them have not even PvPed on PTS. Just stop...

Also, not everyone who is commenting on this thread is a DK. So cut that crap. I don't play a DK but I can damned well see with my own eyes what ZOS has done to them.

Heres an idea. Go home and come up with your own thoughts instead of yelling at others while being so damned hypocritical.

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

More like, there is a lot of false information in your post. Sounds like you are living in the past man, you gotta catch up with the rest of us here in reality. All of these things were once true... once. Not now. And if you think so, by all means please show every DK how wrong they are about their own damn class. I challenge YOU personally to prove it.

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

No I don't need to educate you. There are plenty of videos out there, stop being lazy.
Also I mentioned Magicka DPS in PvE reaching up to 40k. I am sure you can find this on youtube with people who are good facerolling pledges and other pve content.

What does vamp have to do with anything? This build isn't built around camo hunter procs, although they are nice, as is silver shards. This can be done to people that are not vamp and don't have radiant magelight up or double shields.

I keep bringing up alcast because he put up 2 videos in the past month using the same build another dude (xael) was doing since 1.6. Also even what he says now is irrelevant considering he has videos up that not only agree with what I am saying but show it happening. Lastly your experience with your DK is subjective. Juxtaposing your NB to your subjective DK experience while mentioning live or die is rather moot considering NBs can cloak and attempt to get away. This too still gives a 50/50 experience as to whether your opponent knows how to pursue a NB or has the tools slotted to do so.

You most certainly need to educate us all; simply saying there is plenty of videos isn't enough. Mainly because most of
Those videos are dks in group settings and every class can do well in a group setting (talking about magica dks). As for stamina dks they pretty much rely on two things; either camp hunter procs on vampires or popping people with take flight... Virtually every other stamina setup can be just as burst in that regard.. Nightblades and Templars esp.

Now for the next paragraph im a loss; because you seem to be suggesting that you were saying magicka dks are fine cause they're able to hit 40k dps in pve instances... Which confuses me cause no only is this a pvp forum this post is specifically about pvp and dks in general only reach 40k dps in pve because of dots and standard...both which are absolutely suck ass in pvp at the moment.

Next up we have you talking about how it can be done to people who aren't vampires.. Even though most of the people in stamina videos are killed that way.. I mean one of the videos was straight up heavy attack into silver shards
On vamps and nothing else. Meanwhile you can go on a nightblade right now and instant kill people left and right with waiting on an ult to do it.

You keep bringing up alcast but if he comes in here and disagrees with you because we both know he is going to it's straight up doesn't matter because you said so. You can't just say hey this guy has a highlight video and then completely ignore that dudes opinion on the class itself cause he might now agree with your babbling. Also I have subjective experience with the dk and the nightblade because I actually play those classes.

BuggeX wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

More like, there is a lot of false information in your post. Sounds like you are living in the past man, you gotta catch up with the rest of us here in reality. All of these things were once true... once. Not now. And if you think so, by all means please show every DK how wrong they are about their own damn class. I challenge YOU personally to prove it.

well he is correct - DKs can do all of that but no longer simultaniously like in 1.5 wich is the reason people are crying. 99% of the wailing DK banshees are used to be completly overpowered and can´t stand the fact that they are now brought down to the levels of every one else. eventhough i give you the point that dragon blood is underperforming in pvp currently and needs a buff in cyrodiil. but beside that...

if the magicka dk would be at the lvl like others, there wouldn be tons of post asking for buffs and changes.
if magicka dk would still perform good in pvp, then you would see more of them on the battlefields.

in fact, just some magicka dk fanboys still playing them...

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?