How do you be an invincible DK in PVP?

Waffennacht

BuggeX wrote: »

, if you die to dots, well l2p and gtfo

Just had to laugh at the learn to play Then get out! Lol should be reversed, get out and then L2P and come back lol.

BuggeX

Waffennacht wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

, if you die to dots, well l2p and gtfo

Just had to laugh at the learn to play Then get out! Lol should be reversed, get out and then L2P and come back lol.

nah that would make no sens, how would someone l2p when he is allready out?

found1779

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Hello my friends. I have been wearing 5L/1M/1H as a mag dk since v1. Now I am a v16 with 220 cp. I am running s&1h with resto backbar. Invasion into Talons + Lash has been effective in giving me a gap closing capability with high burst damage. During sieges and in open field battles, I get many kills and have good survivability. But as soon as a mob of 4 orgreater focuses on me specifically, Im toast. Ihear of DKs who can basically live forever in cyrodiil. I have 24k spell resist, 12k physical. Should I go 7 heavy and switch from mag to stam and become a tank with moderate damage capabilities? Should I be looking at cap resistances and high health as top priorities?

Just more proof as to why dks need a nerf

Forestd16b14_ESO

BuggeX wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Time travel back in time (be Elder Scroll or TARDIS) to PC launch when you had to be a Dunmer vampire in PVP and DKs were at there prime.

so wrong, you just had to s/b, use bash enchanments and bash anyone with 2-3 bashes

dunmer Vamp dk was later

Wait wasn't first vampire dunmer DKs then bash of doom.... or was it bash of doom, then fire impulse, then vamprie dunmer DK.

BuggeX

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Time travel back in time (be Elder Scroll or TARDIS) to PC launch when you had to be a Dunmer vampire in PVP and DKs were at there prime.

so wrong, you just had to s/b, use bash enchanments and bash anyone with 2-3 bashes

dunmer Vamp dk was later

Wait wasn't first vampire dunmer DKs then bash of doom.... or was it bash of doom, then fire impulse, then vamprie dunmer DK.

someone should make a accurate timeline xD

fireimpuls spam was after dunmer bat dks, bashing was the first *** i saw in cyro during beta so i guess it was the first op think to nerf

blur

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

BuggeX

we speak about magicka DKs not about how broken the Stamina DK is right now.

beeing tanky, well any class can do it, 3 out of 4 class have skills to recover Stamina for magicka.

doing a good dmg as magicka is not on debat, they can do, but they sacrefice any viable survivel skills for it.

and now aigan, magicka dks, cant compet on the field vs any of the other 3 classes right now, no matter how you build, the others have allways hug Advantages.

Vyle_Byte

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

Do you have your own original thoughts? Or do you just wanna keep plagiarizing this dude? Fkn hilarious that you talk about people parroting when you are quite literally doing it yourself.

Xael wrote: »

One whiner makes a doomsday thread and now everyone is parroting the same rhetoric even though it's apparent most of them have not even PvPed on PTS. Just stop...

Also, not everyone who is commenting on this thread is a DK. So cut that crap. I don't play a DK but I can damned well see with my own eyes what ZOS has done to them.

Heres an idea. Go home and come up with your own thoughts instead of yelling at others while being so damned hypocritical.

blur

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

Do you have your own original thoughts? Or do you just wanna keep plagiarizing this dude? Fkn hilarious that you talk about people parroting when you are quite literally doing it yourself.

Xael wrote: »

One whiner makes a doomsday thread and now everyone is parroting the same rhetoric even though it's apparent most of them have not even PvPed on PTS. Just stop...

Also, not everyone who is commenting on this thread is a DK. So cut that crap. I don't play a DK but I can damned well see with my own eyes what ZOS has done to them.

Heres an idea. Go home and come up with your own thoughts instead of yelling at others while being so damned hypocritical.

I have not parroted anyone, nor am I guilty of plagiarizing. You would do well to learn what these words mean before you accuse someone of it while trying to appear witty. Also, I have not yelled nor been hypocritical. Is character assassination the only thing you can resort to?
It's pretty weak how instead of engaging what I actually said you paradigm shift your way out of it.

Also where did I say everyone here in this thread is a DK? This is neither true nor implied. I am not sure if you are trying to be deliberately duplicitous or you are just desperate.

Xsorus

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

blur

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

No I don't need to educate you. There are plenty of videos out there, stop being lazy.
Also I mentioned Magicka DPS in PvE reaching up to 40k. I am sure you can find this on youtube with people who are good facerolling pledges and other pve content.

What does vamp have to do with anything? This build isn't built around camo hunter procs, although they are nice, as is silver shards. This can be done to people that are not vamp and don't have radiant magelight up or double shields.

I keep bringing up alcast because he put up 2 videos in the past month using the same build another dude (xael) was doing since 1.6. Also even what he says now is irrelevant considering he has videos up that not only agree with what I am saying but show it happening. Lastly your experience with your DK is subjective. Juxtaposing your NB to your subjective DK experience while mentioning live or die is rather moot considering NBs can cloak and attempt to get away. This too still gives a 50/50 experience as to whether your opponent knows how to pursue a NB or has the tools slotted to do so.

Xsorus

blur wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

No I don't need to educate you. There are plenty of videos out there, stop being lazy.
Also I mentioned Magicka DPS in PvE reaching up to 40k. I am sure you can find this on youtube with people who are good facerolling pledges and other pve content.

What does vamp have to do with anything? This build isn't built around camo hunter procs, although they are nice, as is silver shards. This can be done to people that are not vamp and don't have radiant magelight up or double shields.

I keep bringing up alcast because he put up 2 videos in the past month using the same build another dude (xael) was doing since 1.6. Also even what he says now is irrelevant considering he has videos up that not only agree with what I am saying but show it happening. Lastly your experience with your DK is subjective. Juxtaposing your NB to your subjective DK experience while mentioning live or die is rather moot considering NBs can cloak and attempt to get away. This too still gives a 50/50 experience as to whether your opponent knows how to pursue a NB or has the tools slotted to do so.

You most certainly need to educate us all; simply saying there is plenty of videos isn't enough. Mainly because most of
Those videos are dks in group settings and every class can do well in a group setting (talking about magica dks). As for stamina dks they pretty much rely on two things; either camp hunter procs on vampires or popping people with take flight... Virtually every other stamina setup can be just as burst in that regard.. Nightblades and Templars esp.

Now for the next paragraph im a loss; because you seem to be suggesting that you were saying magicka dks are fine cause they're able to hit 40k dps in pve instances... Which confuses me cause no only is this a pvp forum this post is specifically about pvp and dks in general only reach 40k dps in pve because of dots and standard...both which are absolutely suck ass in pvp at the moment.

Next up we have you talking about how it can be done to people who aren't vampires.. Even though most of the people in stamina videos are killed that way.. I mean one of the videos was straight up heavy attack into silver shards
On vamps and nothing else. Meanwhile you can go on a nightblade right now and instant kill people left and right with waiting on an ult to do it.

You keep bringing up alcast but if he comes in here and disagrees with you because we both know he is going to it's straight up doesn't matter because you said so. You can't just say hey this guy has a highlight video and then completely ignore that dudes opinion on the class itself cause he might now agree with your babbling. Also I have subjective experience with the dk and the nightblade because I actually play those classes.

Forestd16b14_ESO

BuggeX wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Time travel back in time (be Elder Scroll or TARDIS) to PC launch when you had to be a Dunmer vampire in PVP and DKs were at there prime.

so wrong, you just had to s/b, use bash enchanments and bash anyone with 2-3 bashes

dunmer Vamp dk was later

Wait wasn't first vampire dunmer DKs then bash of doom.... or was it bash of doom, then fire impulse, then vamprie dunmer DK.

someone should make a accurate timeline xD

fireimpuls spam was after dunmer bat dks, bashing was the first *** i saw in cyro during beta so i guess it was the first op think to nerf

Ok so it went...

Bashing of doom, Dunmer DK vampires, Fire impulse bats, then ..... Templars Jesus beam?

blur

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

No I don't need to educate you. There are plenty of videos out there, stop being lazy.
Also I mentioned Magicka DPS in PvE reaching up to 40k. I am sure you can find this on youtube with people who are good facerolling pledges and other pve content.

What does vamp have to do with anything? This build isn't built around camo hunter procs, although they are nice, as is silver shards. This can be done to people that are not vamp and don't have radiant magelight up or double shields.

I keep bringing up alcast because he put up 2 videos in the past month using the same build another dude (xael) was doing since 1.6. Also even what he says now is irrelevant considering he has videos up that not only agree with what I am saying but show it happening. Lastly your experience with your DK is subjective. Juxtaposing your NB to your subjective DK experience while mentioning live or die is rather moot considering NBs can cloak and attempt to get away. This too still gives a 50/50 experience as to whether your opponent knows how to pursue a NB or has the tools slotted to do so.

You most certainly need to educate us all; simply saying there is plenty of videos isn't enough. Mainly because most of
Those videos are dks in group settings and every class can do well in a group setting (talking about magica dks). As for stamina dks they pretty much rely on two things; either camp hunter procs on vampires or popping people with take flight... Virtually every other stamina setup can be just as burst in that regard.. Nightblades and Templars esp.

Now for the next paragraph im a loss; because you seem to be suggesting that you were saying magicka dks are fine cause they're able to hit 40k dps in pve instances... Which confuses me cause no only is this a pvp forum this post is specifically about pvp and dks in general only reach 40k dps in pve because of dots and standard...both which are absolutely suck ass in pvp at the moment.

Next up we have you talking about how it can be done to people who aren't vampires.. Even though most of the people in stamina videos are killed that way.. I mean one of the videos was straight up heavy attack into silver shards
On vamps and nothing else. Meanwhile you can go on a nightblade right now and instant kill people left and right with waiting on an ult to do it.

You keep bringing up alcast but if he comes in here and disagrees with you because we both know he is going to it's straight up doesn't matter because you said so. You can't just say hey this guy has a highlight video and then completely ignore that dudes opinion on the class itself cause he might now agree with your babbling. Also I have subjective experience with the dk and the nightblade because I actually play those classes.

First of all, look for yourself. Looking up his video isn't difficult and I am not going to do the work for you.
Next, I mentioned 3 different aspects of DKs, Stamina PvP, Magicka PvE and PvP while barely elaborating on Magicka. I mentioned numbers in PvE and said you can "melt people in PvP." I didn't say one time that Magicka DKs in PvP are "fine" because of their PvE numbers.

A heavy attack from sneak doing 12-16k damage does not care if you are vamp, ww, or not. The only thing doing extra damage (based on vamp/WW shift) from that point forward is Camo Hunter/Silver Shards. Most people are around 18-21k Health. Following up Heavy Attack with anything at all usually results in an insta dead target when you crit for that much on your opener. Regarding whether or not he kills vamps in a highlight is irrelevant when he smokes a non vamp just the same for 16k opener. Also regarding Take Flight, please tell me how a Stamina Templar can pull off ult damage like that. Templars have nothing at their disposal in the form of an ult that allows them to do upwards of 16k physical damage to players. Their biggest ults for pure burst will be meteor and dawnbreaker both of which require vamp vuln to do maximum damage, notwithstanding a lot of players have several points in their Elemental/Magic resists. Unless your mention of TF was in passing and you now shifted back to comparing NB/Temp to the sneak attack/CH gibs.

Regarding what Alcast has to say IS moot as the guy has videos showcasing the very thing I said. He actually 1-2 shots people in both videos some vamp, some not. That's the end of it. Saying a class can't burst while video evidence like this exists is just plain stupid. Also, people saying you can't get 11-14k Executioners or Wrecking Blows is a lie. DKs are no different than any other class stacking the cookie cutter weapon damage setup. They can achieve these numbers all the while having more innate survivability than other classes without gimmicks (shields and cloak). I also mentioned people like Lefty Lucy (regarding successful 1vX), yet everyone skirts around that one... funny how these forum arguments go.

Draxys

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

Really going to bring up a DK one shot build from 1.6? It was way easier to insta gib with NB from stealth or a sorc frag proc on any poor sod who didn't wear 5 nirn.

Alucardo

found1779 wrote: »

Just more proof as to why dks need a nerf

You know what. I really dislike you. You claim to be new in PVP, but all I've seen you do is call out for nerfs. Play the game a bit before deciding what you think is best for it.
Alternatively, if this game is too hard for you then go play something else. DK is one of the hardest classes to play right now, and if you actually tried one, you'd see for yourself.

Darlgon

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You must learn to look at the dates on those videos you keep pointing too.. almost every one is from pre 1.6. Heck, last I heard, Lefty Lucy was retired. <Edit, I just looked up his channel, he is not. What I did not see is him one-shot anyone in any of the vids I watched from the last week.>

You sound like a FOTM nightblade who used to play a DK when it was OP, then went sorc and now is trying to keep the NB OP.

Alcast

Hey guys

Some people try to compare pve to pvp in case of dmg numbers which is completely wrong >.> Dks are one of the strongest PvE Classes yes, many DoTs and a strong Standard, however, those things that make a DK strong in PvE are COMPLETELY useless in PvP.

I havent rly played pvp before 1.6...however in 1.6 You already could oneshot people, better than now actually HA did 30k+ constantly...just almost nobody used it and I did not play that much and did not record it.

Sometimes a fight on a youtube video may look very fancy pancy OP but in reality when try the same setup it sucks? Highly possible, there are so many factors that depend how well you perform.

A Video guide can show you:
What gear/skills to use
Examples of how to play it

A Video guide cant show/improve your:
Combat Awarness
Reaction Time
Understanding of enemies class (skills etc)
Animation Canceling

Many people played Magicka Dk till up to 1.6. Why? Simple, because they were RIDICULOUS OP lol....3 standards active at same time? No problemo back then...then 1.6 came and all rolled Magicka Sorcs...then IC came and all rolled Magicka/Stamina NBs...Those guys are called "FOTM players"..they just play whatever is the most OP class.

Now for Dks in general..

Magicka DK:
Mainissue here is the lack of mobility (same for templars) you are just a sitting duck. NBs can cloak, sorcs can bolt/shield themselfs to bolster damage. As Magicka DK you have to take all the hits in your face.

Stam DK:
This one is in a better situation mainly because has higher mobility with bow and strong attacks with Wrecking Blow. If you have the choice play Stam DK with either 2H/bow or 2h/s&b.
Also you have a strong ranged attack with either snipe or molten charged Heavy Attacks.


And people that wait for the "buff" that is coming with the next update will be disappointed. ZOS is too **** to fix class balance and they will prolly end up buffing Sorcs and Nbs although they wanted to buff DKs/Temps.


And last but not least, there is no 1vx in this *** patch against any decent enemies.

Tankqull

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

More like, there is a lot of false information in your post. Sounds like you are living in the past man, you gotta catch up with the rest of us here in reality. All of these things were once true... once. Not now. And if you think so, by all means please show every DK how wrong they are about their own damn class. I challenge YOU personally to prove it.

well he is correct - DKs can do all of that but no longer simultaniously like in 1.5 wich is the reason people are crying. 99% of the wailing DK banshees are used to be completly overpowered and can´t stand the fact that they are now brought down to the levels of every one else. eventhough i give you the point that dragon blood is underperforming in pvp currently and needs a buff in cyrodiil. but beside that...

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Try taking a moment and looking in the forum or youtube. DK 1 shotting has been a thing since 1.6 and still happens all the time. I know for a fact Xael was doing it on a Bosmer DK in 1.6 and I know for a fact Alcast uploaded 2 videos of the same build doing the exact same thing during Orsinium. So cut the crap with this false rhetoric.

Also saying DKs can't tank multiple players and do damage is just plain wrong. Lefty Lucy showcases this on a regular basis as do a lot of other DKs. Lastly regarding Magicka DKs, they can put out really good damage with the right set up. It's not my job to educate you with the gear/skill layout.

I get that you can't admit how strong DKs are... you would need to find something else to complain about. Let alone make excuses for your shortcomings. I know it's much easier to parrot the guy before you and pander the falsehoods, it's what most people do on a regular basis here in the forums.

You're making a claim without backing up it up..It basically is your job to educate us as you say.

PS... Pretty much every Stamina Build can damn near one shot vampires right now with Camo hunter..and you could do this since the beginning of the damn game almost..Hell I can login my Nightblade right now switch to Stamina and do it as well...But guess what..my nightblade is VASTLY superior to my Stamina DK simply because once my Stamina DK starts a fight I either win it or die.

Also you keep bringing up @Alcast

You want to see his opinion on DK's right now.

No I don't need to educate you. There are plenty of videos out there, stop being lazy.
Also I mentioned Magicka DPS in PvE reaching up to 40k. I am sure you can find this on youtube with people who are good facerolling pledges and other pve content.

What does vamp have to do with anything? This build isn't built around camo hunter procs, although they are nice, as is silver shards. This can be done to people that are not vamp and don't have radiant magelight up or double shields.

I keep bringing up alcast because he put up 2 videos in the past month using the same build another dude (xael) was doing since 1.6. Also even what he says now is irrelevant considering he has videos up that not only agree with what I am saying but show it happening. Lastly your experience with your DK is subjective. Juxtaposing your NB to your subjective DK experience while mentioning live or die is rather moot considering NBs can cloak and attempt to get away. This too still gives a 50/50 experience as to whether your opponent knows how to pursue a NB or has the tools slotted to do so.

You most certainly need to educate us all; simply saying there is plenty of videos isn't enough. Mainly because most of
Those videos are dks in group settings and every class can do well in a group setting (talking about magica dks). As for stamina dks they pretty much rely on two things; either camp hunter procs on vampires or popping people with take flight... Virtually every other stamina setup can be just as burst in that regard.. Nightblades and Templars esp.

Now for the next paragraph im a loss; because you seem to be suggesting that you were saying magicka dks are fine cause they're able to hit 40k dps in pve instances... Which confuses me cause no only is this a pvp forum this post is specifically about pvp and dks in general only reach 40k dps in pve because of dots and standard...both which are absolutely suck ass in pvp at the moment.

Next up we have you talking about how it can be done to people who aren't vampires.. Even though most of the people in stamina videos are killed that way.. I mean one of the videos was straight up heavy attack into silver shards
On vamps and nothing else. Meanwhile you can go on a nightblade right now and instant kill people left and right with waiting on an ult to do it.

You keep bringing up alcast but if he comes in here and disagrees with you because we both know he is going to it's straight up doesn't matter because you said so. You can't just say hey this guy has a highlight video and then completely ignore that dudes opinion on the class itself cause he might now agree with your babbling. Also I have subjective experience with the dk and the nightblade because I actually play those classes.

nope molten armaments is the keyword.

BuggeX

Tankqull wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

More like, there is a lot of false information in your post. Sounds like you are living in the past man, you gotta catch up with the rest of us here in reality. All of these things were once true... once. Not now. And if you think so, by all means please show every DK how wrong they are about their own damn class. I challenge YOU personally to prove it.

well he is correct - DKs can do all of that but no longer simultaniously like in 1.5 wich is the reason people are crying. 99% of the wailing DK banshees are used to be completly overpowered and can´t stand the fact that they are now brought down to the levels of every one else. eventhough i give you the point that dragon blood is underperforming in pvp currently and needs a buff in cyrodiil. but beside that...

if the magicka dk would be at the lvl like others, there wouldn be tons of post asking for buffs and changes.
if magicka dk would still perform good in pvp, then you would see more of them on the battlefields.

in fact, just some magicka dk fanboys still playing them...

Tankqull

BuggeX wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

More like, there is a lot of false information in your post. Sounds like you are living in the past man, you gotta catch up with the rest of us here in reality. All of these things were once true... once. Not now. And if you think so, by all means please show every DK how wrong they are about their own damn class. I challenge YOU personally to prove it.

well he is correct - DKs can do all of that but no longer simultaniously like in 1.5 wich is the reason people are crying. 99% of the wailing DK banshees are used to be completly overpowered and can´t stand the fact that they are now brought down to the levels of every one else. eventhough i give you the point that dragon blood is underperforming in pvp currently and needs a buff in cyrodiil. but beside that...

if the magicka dk would be at the lvl like others, there wouldn be tons of post asking for buffs and changes.
if magicka dk would still perform good in pvp, then you would see more of them on the battlefields.

in fact, just some magicka dk fanboys still playing them...

nope without DKs being from another planet for over a year no one would cry now as they would never have become used to being overpowered as hell.
mana DKs are doing fine beside DB witch needs to be brought back in line in cyrodiil - in pve its perfectly fine.

BuggeX

i know 6 Magicka DKs on Azuras

Alcast
Slager
Baumlaus
Asur Uthuan
Legendary Orma (well i just call him Oma, dunno the exact Name )
Me

KenaPKK

The dude said he that wants to be an invincible DK in PvP and that he doesn't care about damage. Just tell him what he wants...

Run 5 v14 Footman, including jewelry, + 5 v16 Seducer in 7 heavy, or 5h-1-1 if you value the undaunted passives.

Double shield and sword, idk how bars should be set up. Focus on buffs, reflect, heals, and sustain. Max CP into healing because Dragon Blood was nerfed hard.

I recommend vamp for Devouring Swarm and mist form, but that is up to taste.

PeggymoeXD

I'd like to point out the fact that as a khajiit dk from stealth it's totally possible to one-shot weakling sorcs/nb's post 1.6

RoamingRiverElk

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

Magicka DKs, Stamina DKs that do damage, and Stamina DKs who tank are completely different, with completely different strengths and weaknesses. Generalizing them into just DKs being able to tank and do a lot of damage is not helpful.

You simply cannot take on a lot of average players as a magicka DK and tank them. If you build for tanking a lot of people as a stamina/magicka mix, you can't do damage - the biggest damage you will be doing is probably just by reflecting the opponents' damage. But the thing is, even just two sorcerers can kill a DK who is spamming wings by light attack weaving crushing shock (with some occasional fragments whenever the opportunity rises, prox det, ultimate). I wouldn't exactly call DKs a tanky class if I can destroy any DK with another sorc, given enough time. We are not even running high spell dmg builds. Most die reasonably fast, then there are some DK *tanks* who can buy some time by kiting around a rock. It doesn't matter whether they are stamina or magicka, or some kind of a mix. They go down in open world, every single time. [There is possibly one exception to this - I'd like to test playing against one certain DK and their tanking build, but they're in the same faction so, can't. In any case, that is an extremely specialized build with no damage, purely done for tanking purposes, focused around blocking.]

Some stamina DKs can do good damage and defend reasonably well, even kiting some. Magicka DKs have huge problems unless they run with a big group.

ZoM_Head

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

But what fun is that? DK used to be the class everyone whined about, now they're a joke. This is coming from a DK himself.

You have pretty much 2 options as a DK. Sure, you can build to be a perma-blocking tank and stand around holding your shield up, frustrating the 12 people trying to kill you. Or you can actually build for damage and some sustain as a stamina build. Really that's about it. I'm sure some people run magicka DK's in pvp, but I guarantee you they're running with a group or they're just flat out miserable.

Also, I'd like to ask which videos of Sypher you've been watching. Upon release of the game he was a DC DK and back then it was A LOT easier to 1vX. After the 1.6 update it made it pretty much impossible for any dk who wasn't stamina 2h to 1vX, and he started playing a NB a lot more often.

Its not so miserable completely, issue is the CP. DKs were top of the classes when it comes down to resource management, now with CP anyone can do it. Battleroar nerf, and resistance to fire (DKs do nothing but fire) hits us hard.

Any stamina build will be more effective today, because the majority of players use light armour (magicka builds to make full use of class and mages guild skills) and the still favoured resto staff.

Its a combination of several class nerfs/changes (flame lash HOT, cinder storm no longer grants miss chance, reflective scales nerf, dragon blood nerf, standard of might nerfed to hell with cost/damage/healdebuff and the list goes on) along with CP.

That said, most stamina builds spam wrecking blow because it is just more effective, need to constantly use talons, whip and fossilize to keep them at bay and very very slowly kill them, which is not fun.

Mind you, DKs are still the only class without a mobility skill and no execute, which also effects the class as a whole today (other classes can execute magicka wise).

americansteel

CHAMPION POINTS you like mysfelf lack what is needed to make a decent magic DK and im a nord DK.
bastion, elemental expert, arcanist, magician, few in spell erosion and thaumaturge. V16 5L 2H inferno/resto
back bar shields and AoE CC
inferno staff, entropy, lash,coag, DESTRUCTIVE REACH. we need DoTs, of course scales, if you have no reflective scales leave the game.
5 julianos 3 torugs, 3 will power spell harm enchant, kuta magik glyphs for armor.
thats my build solid for PvE sucks for PvP and im really tired of hitting ppl with noodles.
these supposed invincible magik DKs have CP. grind cyrodiil dailes and or IC sewers for CP 10 a day x7days=70x4weeks=280CP A month.

americansteel

apprentice 5 divines 2 reinforced

Armitas

blur wrote: »

Right because in the past few months there have been 0 "DK one-shot" videos made by Alcast or Xael? That's what you guys are saying? These videos don't exist and it never happens right?

Highlight reels. The videos you see posted on the forums are highlight reels. They don't represent the reality of the situation, they represent, literally, the best circumstances and situations only.

It's quite true that you can "one-Shot" someone, but it's also quite true pencils can be used as weapons. I could show a highlight reel of amazing combat using a pencil but it would be absurd to conclude that pencils are part of modern warfare. No one walks away from a Jackie Chan movie and thinks that we need less guns in our military and more ninjas, we shouldn't do that with highlight reels either.