How do you be an invincible DK in PVP?

CavalierPrime

Hello my friends. I have been wearing 5L/1M/1H as a mag dk since v1. Now I am a v16 with 220 cp. I am running s&1h with resto backbar. Invasion into Talons + Lash has been effective in giving me a gap closing capability with high burst damage. During sieges and in open field battles, I get many kills and have good survivability. But as soon as a mob of 4 orgreater focuses on me specifically, Im toast. Ihear of DKs who can basically live forever in cyrodiil. I have 24k spell resist, 12k physical. Should I go 7 heavy and switch from mag to stam and become a tank with moderate damage capabilities? Should I be looking at cap resistances and high health as top priorities?

Xvorg

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Hello my friends. I have been wearing 5L/1M/1H as a mag dk since v1. Now I am a v16 with 220 cp. I am running s&1h with resto backbar. Invasion into Talons + Lash has been effective in giving me a gap closing capability with high burst damage. During sieges and in open field battles, I get many kills and have good survivability. But as soon as a mob of 4 orgreater focuses on me specifically, Im toast. Ihear of DKs who can basically live forever in cyrodiil. I have 24k spell resist, 12k physical. Should I go 7 heavy and switch from mag to stam and become a tank with moderate damage capabilities? Should I be looking at cap resistances and high health as top priorities?

Far from real. Dks are the most ruined class. It used to be a great class, now lives like a rat in a vessel...

CavalierPrime

So what's the deal with Sypher and Alcast? You see videos of them taking on whole zergs. And the good players in my guilds speak of being a nigh-unkillable tank, able to take focused fire from 10+ players and get away alive. Even with 5 pieces of light and 12k physical, I have taken focused fire from a zerg of 10+ players and survived for nearly 10 seconds on multiple occasions. Wings reflect spells, Deep Breath heals pretty well, and immovability/health/stam potions keep the CC off so I can actually block and cast. Im trying to learn how to survive those encounters completely, even if it causes my damage to drop a lot.

Xvorg

CavalierPrime wrote: »

So what's the deal with Sypher and Alcast? You see videos of them taking on whole zergs. And the good players in my guilds speak of being a nigh-unkillable tank, able to take focused fire from 10+ players and get away alive. Even with 5 pieces of light and 12k physical, I have taken focused fire from a zerg of 10+ players and survived for nearly 10 seconds on multiple occasions. Wings reflect spells, Deep Breath heals pretty well, and immovability/health/stam potions keep the CC off so I can actually block and cast. Im trying to learn how to survive those encounters completely, even if it causes my damage to drop a lot.

They will take a world of zergs using any class, even stamplars.

It is not the car you drive, it is the pilot. If the pilot is good, he will be able to drive any car.

If you want to get their level, you need dedication more than advices.

PeggymoeXD

But what fun is that? DK used to be the class everyone whined about, now they're a joke. This is coming from a DK himself.

You have pretty much 2 options as a DK. Sure, you can build to be a perma-blocking tank and stand around holding your shield up, frustrating the 12 people trying to kill you. Or you can actually build for damage and some sustain as a stamina build. Really that's about it. I'm sure some people run magicka DK's in pvp, but I guarantee you they're running with a group or they're just flat out miserable.

Also, I'd like to ask which videos of Sypher you've been watching. Upon release of the game he was a DC DK and back then it was A LOT easier to 1vX. After the 1.6 update it made it pretty much impossible for any dk who wasn't stamina 2h to 1vX, and he started playing a NB a lot more often.

byCrux

Those dks that can basically live forerver, don't get kills. I was in a 1v2 against crazy ass tanks and it lasted so long because they did no damage and I just kept getting taloned and bashed, I just ended up walking away and they couldn't catch up to me. You might want to just change up your tactics, anything is more fun then making a v16 dk to sit there and hold block.

Runkorko

CavalierPrime wrote: »

So what's the deal with Sypher and Alcast? You see videos of them taking on whole zergs. And the good players in my guilds speak of being a nigh-unkillable tank, able to take focused fire from 10+ players and get away alive. Even with 5 pieces of light and 12k physical, I have taken focused fire from a zerg of 10+ players and survived for nearly 10 seconds on multiple occasions. Wings reflect spells, Deep Breath heals pretty well, and immovability/health/stam potions keep the CC off so I can actually block and cast. Im trying to learn how to survive those encounters completely, even if it causes my damage to drop a lot.

Do you notice the date of videos you watch? Magica dk is dead, stamina is good for duels (no more) and there is no class able to take 10 players at once (dont look at IC vids - they pray on PvErs with no idea what to do) And dont listen to Xvorg pilot bla bla bla bullsh.s. Want a solo pvp- pick sorc get kill and blink away /if you can / or pick NB. 2 class game.

Sypher not tuch magi DK for like 2 months /or more/ you can see his sorc progress here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhcRXs6kmms
fun eh ....
this is how a cyro pvp looks this days

zornyan

CavalierPrime wrote: »

So what's the deal with Sypher and Alcast? You see videos of them taking on whole zergs. And the good players in my guilds speak of being a nigh-unkillable tank, able to take focused fire from 10+ players and get away alive. Even with 5 pieces of light and 12k physical, I have taken focused fire from a zerg of 10+ players and survived for nearly 10 seconds on multiple occasions. Wings reflect spells, Deep Breath heals pretty well, and immovability/health/stam potions keep the CC off so I can actually block and cast. Im trying to learn how to survive those encounters completely, even if it causes my damage to drop a lot.

Because the people they play against are n00bs, they make videos of them fighting very unorganized unskilled players. Nothing special.

I've taken on and beaten 5 players myself before, why? Because they were terrible, like I barely got CC'd, the few times I got to low health no one used an execute, they didn't dodge most of my attacks or block etc etc.

Yet give me a 1v1 against a skilled player and I have a good chance of losing.

If you watch very closely you'll see a similar thing with the youtubers, oh and LoS, doesn't matter if you got 1v5 if you're running around trees and no one can hit you

Darlgon

ReRoll a Nightblade.

CavalierPrime

I could potentially be sold on relegating my dk to the pve/crafter character and roll a new alt for pvp only. So the question becomes, which is best at killing and escaping, NB or Sorcerer? I've gotten very good at animation cancelling a destro staff, but I also love active camo.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

CavalierPrime wrote: »

I could potentially be sold on relegating my dk to the pve/crafter character and roll a new alt for pvp only. So the question becomes, which is best at killing and escaping, NB or Sorcerer? I've gotten very good at animation cancelling a destro staff, but I also love active camo.

Either really. Depends on what you want I like the stealth/assassin feel of magicka nightblade myself. There is also two completely viable builds for pvp ranged or melee. Magicka nightblade can do either.

BuggeX

Dk can tank 10 ppls, but its Point less, you do absolutly 0 dmg then.

you can also kill 2-3 Players allone, with batswarn and prox det, but then they have to be total noobs.

when you just care to survive, go for 5 heavy karg, 2 bloodspwan shild/sword with seducer, 3 willpower, and have 20k stam attleast. you will be able to live a Long time, but far away from immortality like it used to be.


but when you rly like the dk, go ahead and hope zos will Balance somthing...........

blur

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

aLi3nZ

What I want to know is how to kill a dk easier. Damn they are annoying when I do some spells and they reflect back on me or they do the eclipse and I can't do much. I was fight one last night. His health regen must have been low and he couldn't seem to heal himself and started running away before I killed him. But Overlord seemed of no use.

Xsorus

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

Rofl...at this post

Joy_Division

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

ZoS should have never gotten rid of the LoL button.

BuggeX

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

at witch patch lvl do you Play? 1.5?

Draxys

Play in 1.0-1.2, that's how. Certainly not now or recently.

Draxys

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

Was this post from the December 14th prior to launch? Because that's the only way it has any semblance of accuracy.

Morozov

I think they are still holding block, bashing everything and casting batswarm over and over

Beesting

@CavalierPrime i have seen @BuggeX run around like an almost immortal dk in the ad zergs few days and he does a good job

But there are a few tricks to it
1. Make sure there is a lot of chaos like in zerg vs zerg, a dk can jump in and pretend to hold and tank 10 people but when they die it is mostly to the sneaky nb's offering support from the backline
2. Run away while you still can. A magica dk does not have a lot of mobility and if you push to far it is certain death, does not matter if you last 10 secs or 11 secs, you die anyway

When i see magica dk in smallscale they always have a nightblade friend ( in sneak) to do the burst damage, the dk functions as bait and just survives long enough for his friend to come and make the kill

So find a nightblade friend and preferably a templar healer and you are good to go

Alucardo

The only time I've seen DKs take on 4+ enemies in the current patch is if they are complete PVP noobs (ie: PVErs in IC). Now if they had any idea of what they were doing, these DKs would not be standing at all.

BuggeX

Beesting wrote: »

2. Run away while you still can. A magica dk does not have a lot of mobility and if you push to far it is certain death, does not matter if you last 10 secs or 11 secs, you die anyway

Exactlly this is wath kill me most times, me: ohh im just going to Invasion this one and prox det him and after i will leave....... yea sure....

Vyle_Byte

blur wrote: »

A lot of false information in this thread.
DKs are probably the only class in the game that can tank 5+ decent players and not die in 10 seconds. In fact its rather commonplace to see a zerg focusing a DK and taking a minute or 2 just to bring that DK down. Other classes just melt.

While we are at it, DKs have some of the highest burst in the game. @Xael had a DK build from 1.6 that would 1-2 hit anything and still works post Orsinium. In fact I am pretty sure Alcast made a video of his build. Let's also not forget that Magicka DKs when built/played correctly also have tremendous burst, able to hit 40k dps in certain fights and able to melt people in PvP.

I find it rather strange that DKs always get a free pass when it comes to their ridiculous damage and staying power, but the moment someone dies to a Sorc or NB they cry for nerfs. DKs are and have always been top of the food chain. The difference is the trend amongst streamers and the vast majority of newbies on the forum who parrot other newbies without knowing what they are talking about. Seriously, it's huge amount of parroting.

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

More like, there is a lot of false information in your post. Sounds like you are living in the past man, you gotta catch up with the rest of us here in reality. All of these things were once true... once. Not now. And if you think so, by all means please show every DK how wrong they are about their own damn class. I challenge YOU personally to prove it.

eliisra

Beesting wrote: »

When i see magica dk in smallscale they always have a nightblade friend ( in sneak) to do the burst damage, the dk functions as bait and just survives long enough for his friend to come and make the kill

So find a nightblade friend and preferably a templar healer and you are good to go

That used to be such a fun setup. Tanky magicka DK, templar with some healing and a NB/sorc high dmg to complete the trio. But doesn't work any more(unless farming IC PvE'ers).

Now it's Wrecking Blow and point blank Ambush spamming NB's raining all over the templar, that lacks any form of defence against it outside of healing, due to multiple nerfs. Down in a few seconds.

Magicka DK cant do anything, because to slow to keep up, no gap closer, no mobility and only moderate dmg.

The NB friend will dodge, Cloak and get back in sneak, go far away, leaving his buddies to die.

DK is the only one left and dies shortly after because out of stamina while trying to block Wrecking Blows and rain of Ambush spamming NB's.

Successful small scale today requires a team of gankblades + sorcs that can kite, disengage and burst. Don't bother with any other group constellation, you only get run over(and of course ganked by at least a dozen NB's at the same time as you get run over by a full raid)

BuggeX

eliisra wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

When i see magica dk in smallscale they always have a nightblade friend ( in sneak) to do the burst damage, the dk functions as bait and just survives long enough for his friend to come and make the kill

So find a nightblade friend and preferably a templar healer and you are good to go

That used to be such a fun setup. Tanky magicka DK, templar with some healing and a NB/sorc high dmg to complete the trio. But doesn't work any more(unless farming IC PvE'ers).

Now it's Wrecking Blow and point blank Ambush spamming NB's raining all over the templar, that lacks any form of defence against it outside of healing, due to multiple nerfs. Down in a few seconds.

Magicka DK cant do anything, because to slow to keep up, no gap closer, no mobility and only moderate dmg.

The NB friend will dodge, Cloak and get back in sneak, go far away, leaving his buddies to die.

DK is the only one left and dies shortly after because out of stamina while trying to block Wrecking Blows and rain of Ambush spamming NB's.

Successful small scale today requires a team of gankblades + sorcs that can kite, disengage and burst. Don't bother with any other group constellation, you only get run over(and of course ganked by at least a dozen NB's at the same time as you get run over by a full raid)

no it still works pretty well, im usally running with a temp and nb premate and we win most Encounters, at the same size (3-6)

we got a pretty nice Long fight with a small Group of Exile (4-5) lost it after all cause they where more than we.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Time travel back in time (be Elder Scroll or TARDIS) to PC launch when you had to be a Dunmer vampire in PVP and DKs were at there prime.

BuggeX

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Time travel back in time (be Elder Scroll or TARDIS) to PC launch when you had to be a Dunmer vampire in PVP and DKs were at there prime.

so wrong, you just had to s/b, use bash enchanments and bash anyone with 2-3 bashes

dunmer Vamp dk was later

Sureshawt

blur wrote: »

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

^ This.

I have seen and fought plenty of DKs on the battlefield recently myself. They are among toughest nuts to crack and kill very effectively as well.

I can only assume those posting these falsehoods are DKs looking to reclaim there former OP days. Today they are well balanced. While they cannot do the best DPS but they can mitigate DPS right up there with sorcs.

BuggeX

Sureshawt wrote: »

blur wrote: »

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

^ This.

I have seen and fought plenty of DKs on the battlefield recently myself. They are among toughest nuts to crack and kill very effectively as well.

I can only assume those posting these falsehoods are DKs looking to reclaim there former OP days. Today they are well balanced. While they cannot do the best DPS but they can mitigate DPS right up there with sorcs.

4 reason wth make Dk the worst class in PVP right now, not even wroble denied this.

doesnt have dps like other magicka class - his stongest skill does ~6k dps and has a range from 8m - + doesnt have a execute
doesnt have selfheals or any form of moving out of danger
doesnt have any range, anything is under 8m
hdots are uselles, if you die to dots, well l2p and gtfo

Minno

Sureshawt wrote: »

blur wrote: »

This utter falsehood that DKs who can tank can't do damage is just plain absurd. One of the biggest problems the majority of people face in this community is they get their "education" from the forums and other ignorant people. Instead of playing the game and figuring out the areas they need to work on, they latch on to the first scapegoat they can find and snowball from there.

^ This.

I have seen and fought plenty of DKs on the battlefield recently myself. They are among toughest nuts to crack and kill very effectively as well.

I can only assume those posting these falsehoods are DKs looking to reclaim there former OP days. Today they are well balanced. While they cannot do the best DPS but they can mitigate DPS right up there with sorcs.

It's not a return to the OP days of DK vamps, its an ongoing balancing coordination to make DK equal in pvp viability in order to align with sorc's and NB's. Templars have this conversation too.

Next time you play, look at the current population. Your death is either from a surprise attack/ambush combo or overload blast. Those DK players you face, use their strength(in your face tactics) to win fights.

If you die by a DK dps, you'll need to engage more at range .