Race change.

AngryNord · December 2015

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Actually I don't think it'll be race change per se but racial passive change. In the next major update they plan to address the beast races and nord (woo orc love). Then afterwards in the crown store we would be able to pick and choose the passive pack. So an atlmer can have the imperial racial passives and so forth. I believe that's where the change discussion was heading.

R.I.P TES lore for ever :-(

Aoife32001 · December 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Actually I don't think it'll be race change per se but racial passive change. In the next major update they plan to address the beast races and nord (woo orc love). Then afterwards in the crown store we would be able to pick and choose the passive pack. So an atlmer can have the imperial racial passives and so forth. I believe that's where the change discussion was heading.

R.I.P TES lore for ever :-(

I really REALLY hope that is not the direction it is going, because that is a HORRIBLE idea designed to pander to those who want to make their choices with no sacrifices. If you pick a certain race for whatever reason, you should play THAT race with both its strengths and weaknesses. Learn to play to a strength and mitigate a weakness--not have everything handed to you on a platter.

Sure, all passives should be useful (with "useful" not meaning "maximize dps" only), but not everything should be the same. With the above changes, races will quickly go the way of armor sets, with everything being one vast, boring plane of the same thing. This entire game is becoming a boring cookie-cutter experience from castles to armor sets to apparently races as well.

If racial passives HAVE to be customizable, at least set up a system in which there are a set number of points, and every so many points spent on a strength have to be balanced by so many points spent on a weakness. I believe Camelot Unchained was looking at such a system, last I checked, and this would really be the best way to go if ZOS is going to go that direction.

TheShadowScout · December 2015

Aoife32001 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Actually I don't think it'll be race change per se but racial passive change. In the next major update they plan to address the beast races and nord (woo orc love). Then afterwards in the crown store we would be able to pick and choose the passive pack. So an atlmer can have the imperial racial passives and so forth. I believe that's where the change discussion was heading.

R.I.P TES lore for ever :-(

I really REALLY hope that is not the direction it is going, because that is a HORRIBLE idea designed to pander to those who want to make their choices with no sacrifices...

Agreed!
I do not believe racial passives should be customizable in -any- way.
At best, they should be nerfed all across the board to make the differences count for less, but they still should keep with the TES lore. Meaning Bretons and Altmer having an edge in magic, Bosmer and Khajiit having an edge in sheakyness, Orcs and Nord having an edge in toughness, dunmer being a bit better with fire, redguards being a bit better with swords, argonians being a bit better with swimming, whatever...
Allowing people to cherry-pick their passives for super-effectiveness is not a good way to go IMO, as it encourages more and more people to opt for super-effectiveness to compete as the "only" way to play the game, and leeches the fun out of the whole thing for everyone but the min-maxxers.
Not to mention, damages the lore I came here for.

So I hope it won't go that way. Race change, yes - race passive change, please, no.

aadriech · January 2016

Would be nice to change my Khajiit Magic sorc to a high elf lol!!
Dunno what I was thinking when I made him.

Didgerion · January 2016

aadriech wrote: »

Would be nice to change my Khajiit Magic sorc to a high elf lol!!
Dunno what I was thinking when I made him.

The racial passives got unbalanced when soft caps were removed.
ZOS needs to put a serious rework on racial passives. Some of them are too strong which is wrong.

flguy147ub17_ESO · January 2016

I know many people would hate this but i wish they would just remove racial passives entirely. This would allow people to actually play the race they want and switch between magicka and stamina instead of having to completely reroll a character to make it viable. I came back recently playing a stamina redguard DK and decided i want to play a magicka DK instead in which i played at PC launch but now i play on PS4..... i dont have my PC anymore. But magicka DKs are already horrible so making my Redguard a magicka DK would be like an "i lose button". ZOS said play as you want but you cant play the race and class combo you want due to racials unless you want to be gimp.

robkrush · January 2016

I could really use that race change ZOS. Im a redguard tank. Every since you took away stam regen while blocking YOU ruined my character because everytime I block i negate one of my strongest racial passives(increased stam regen in combat). I would like to change to nord please. Thank you.

CtrlAltDlt · January 2016

Anyone know when race change coming?

Kalebron · January 2016

I think all races should reflect some sort of practical use with their respective passives. I have my High Elf Magicka NB that does not really benefit from the 4% increased fire damage because I don't run with a fire staff. Why not make it spell damage? That way all may benefit from it's passives.

Brrrofski · January 2016

I personally wouldn't bother.

I have high elf mag sorc, breton mag vamp templar, Breton mag vamp nb, dumner mag vamp Dk, redguard stamblade, redguard Stamsorcs, redguard stamplar and my first toon, orc stam dk.

He's the only one I kind of wish was different. But then again, orc was solid choice anyway. I tank pve with it and go full on damage in pvp. I'd miss that speed after dodge rolling with my BoE out anyway.

So my only uneducated choice turned out to be fine anyway.

J2JMC · January 2016

Kalebron wrote: »

I think all races should reflect some sort of practical use with their respective passives. I have my High Elf Magicka NB that does not really benefit from the 4% increased fire damage because I don't run with a fire staff. Why not make it spell damage? That way all may benefit from it's passives.

Because atlmer sorcerer's, dk's and nightblades do use destro staffs(among other actual elemental abilities) and that change is a nerf to that group. There's a reason why the dual wield twin blade and blunt passive increases damage dealt and not just weapon power.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Vatter wrote: »

its been asked for many times. many of these threads exist. I tried to just post on one of the older ones but its not bumping it. So I have to create a new one.

I would love to change the class on my templar from high elf to imperial. main reason is magicka is awful in pvp now so to be competitive I've switched to stamina.

I wouldn't mind spending $20 for this change to occur. DO YOU SEE THAT ZOS!? MONEY! Thats what this whole game is about isn't it? why not make some extra money?

Or another solution would be to let people who purchased the imperial edition to change their class to imperial like they can with their armor.

I really hope to see either of these come really soon

why would you throw us all under the bus by suggesting it cost $20? *** off

sickboy2808 · January 2016

I really want it to happen just because i hate being an Orc. Im so dam ugly and need a race change. I know i should have put more thought into my char when i started at Launch but i didnt. I dont care about Passives or that,just my ugly Orc face. Please ZOS make it happen

Arkadius · January 2016

Kai just posted a small update:
- You won't be able to change your race to 'Imperial' if you don't own the Imperial Edition
- You may only chose a race that belongs to your alliance, if you don't own the Adventurer Pack

Skinzz · January 2016

This game is catering too much to character creation screw ups ugh.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

This game is catering too much to character creation screw ups ugh.

I SCREWED UP AND IM PROUD! seriously though, i would love race change.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2016

Gonna pick 3 times 10% max magicka racial if thats how they plan to do it, hue heu hue

Dermestes · January 2016

How about being stuck as Khajiit with Carnage broken for months? I say remove all racial passives and just even the playing field.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

AngryNord wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Actually I don't think it'll be race change per se but racial passive change. In the next major update they plan to address the beast races and nord (woo orc love). Then afterwards in the crown store we would be able to pick and choose the passive pack. So an atlmer can have the imperial racial passives and so forth. I believe that's where the change discussion was heading.

R.I.P TES lore for ever :-(

This is why I wish that CP/Racial passives somehow existed in a self contained set of caps. In TES lore an Argonian could be a great mage, thief or warrior. It might take him longer and more work to get there than an Altmer, Dunmer or Breton but he could do it. I feel like the game as it currently exists railroads your race choice down one theme or another though. That isn't good either. There needs to be a way to get beyond our passives while still sticking with the themes which is why I've been suggesting that bonuses from CP should diminish but start with any racial numbers. I don't know if they can or will ever do this, its just what I wished for.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

robkrush wrote: »

I could really use that race change ZOS. Im a redguard tank. Every since you took away stam regen while blocking YOU ruined my character because everytime I block i negate one of my strongest racial passives(increased stam regen in combat). I would like to change to nord please. Thank you.

The block regeneration change was really, really, really stupid. I don't think it can be understated. No other
mitigative form was so heavily nerfed. I can't imagine the outcry we would hear if magic regeneration ceased for the duration
of hardened ward, obsidian shield, Mirage, sun shield etc. How about if stamina regeneration was cut off for four seconds
every time you clicked dodge roll. Yet that would be more fair than what we have now. I can understand perhaps reducing stamina regeneration while your shield is up, but cutting it off 100% was a HORRIBLE idea.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

This game is catering too much to character creation screw ups ugh.

I SCREWED UP AND IM PROUD! seriously though, i would love race change.

What I don't like is that people are going to change their race for ZoS' rebalancing screwups. RIP NB Argonian Potion Build, for example. I don't think they deserve to get paid for making things worse in the game, do you?

Zardayne · January 2016

Yep I say remove the passives..

DevonoftheDrakeSeal · February 2016

I would pay for it, twice if I wanted to try another race on a different character. Would be fun experimenting.

Shader_Shibes · February 2016

My biggest gripe with zos is that they haven't implemented this sooner. So pissed with them I was like this close to quitting for good, sad fact though, there is nothing better out there atm. Still can't comprehend why they aren't making this high priority.

Armann · February 2016

This could make ZoS some money at first, charge 1500 crowns for one change and fiddle with the racials once every other patch to "motivate" people. Seriously though, I want a name change to come with the race change by default, Faps-In-Shadows is a poor name for a High Elf.

JaJaLuka · February 2016

I think race change should be available only once per character (no exceptions) and only be available for a very limited time. They should also make the passives clearer during character creation. After the one off character race swap, it should never be offered again.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Aoife32001 wrote: »

I really REALLY hope that is not the direction it is going, because that is a HORRIBLE idea designed to pander to those who want to make their choices with no sacrifices. If you pick a certain race for whatever reason, you should play THAT race with both its strengths and weaknesses. Learn to play to a strength and mitigate a weakness--not have everything handed to you on a platter.

I have beef with this 'no sacrifice' argument. Wheres the sacrifice if your aestetic tastes align with your preferred playstyle? What does someone who likes the looks of Redguards sacrifice by playing a stamina based character? And thats what its all about: your stats depending on your aesthetic choices. Which should not happen in an MMO. You say 'play to your strengths and mitigate weaknesses'. I read 'be stuck in a playstyle you might not enjoy'.
As for the lore explanation - its already in game. Youre the chosen one who survived having his soul torn out, foiled the plans of a daedric prince and was rewarded by another god-like entity with the ability to seamlessly blend in with any race he/she visits. This is already in the lore. Once youve completed silver and gold you should be able to travel back to Meridia and ask her to let you get even better acquainted with another race thus changing your passives (but not to pick and choose single perks). Perhaps she would send you to the areas of that race where you would do dailies for a week or two before you obtained the new bonuses... See, theres even a time sink

Espresso · February 2016

Just switching around the attributes in the crown store and detaching them from race is the least immersive and most anti-lore solution.

Detector · February 2016

Soon... Soon... Soon... Where is race change?! How many threads need for this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Search=race+change

Skinzz · February 2016

Race change is for the people that decided argonian nightblades and sorcerers were a good idea.