Patch Broke PvP

zatohonour · October 2015

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

xXNesTXx · October 2015

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

Class?

and...yes the fights are so tactical right now....

1v1 = Endless Battle
1vX = Guy in solo, eats sh**t all time
XvX = Biggest group, win

Basically the only tactic right now is.... be outnumber

If you run against of enemy shaking your arms,(block and dodge are useful) is logic get a instant kill.....because that is the only way that i know to be killed instantly, before the patch.....

xXNesTXx · October 2015

Another thing, is the *** loot of PvP in Cyrodiil....

8 hours playing in Azura, taking resources and keeps, and obviously killing enemy players, for 3 mails with a staff, a girdle, a pair of boots.....and 630 coins.....this can't be serious......

Oh wait a moment.... I can get the same bounty, in 20 minutes or less, grinding in IC sewers....someone wants force the people to buy a pretty and shiny DLC..... ¬¬

revonine · October 2015

xXNesTXx wrote: »

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

Class?

and...yes the fights are so tactical right now....

1v1 = Endless Battle
1vX = Guy in solo, eats sh**t all time
XvX = Biggest group, win

Basically the only tactic right now is.... be outnumber

If you run against of enemy shaking your arms,(block and dodge are useful) is logic get a instant kill.....because that is the only way that i know to be killed instantly, before the patch.....

I'd have to agree on this one. I've had opponents that we're literally NOT BOTHERED to CC break because they knew the damage nerf would save them.

zatohonour · October 2015

xXNesTXx wrote: »

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

Class?

and...yes the fights are so tactical right now....

1v1 = Endless Battle
1vX = Guy in solo, eats sh**t all time
XvX = Biggest group, win

Basically the only tactic right now is.... be outnumber

If you run against of enemy shaking your arms,(block and dodge are useful) is logic get a instant kill.....because that is the only way that i know to be killed instantly, before the patch.....

NB

My 1v1s are not endless battles.Last maybe 20% longer at the worst.I dunno the math of it or why that is,but it's the way it is for me.When i come up against multiple enemies i do better than i did before,before i could be dead near instantly with no way of countering anything if the opponents were good,now i do have a few seconds to recover and think .

As for xvx,couldn't give a toss tbh,those fights have always been pretty crappy affairs to be involved in,you're either on the biggest number side gobbling up everyone you come across,or you were in a smaller group farming larger numbers of inexperienced players from chokepoints like towers,which imo aren't much better than bottom feeding off players going through doors or whatever.Even the full on siege battles are rather boring after you';ve been to more than one.DKs and sorcs on walls reflecting and fragging,and siege engines getting points off everyone.Yay,fun -.-The damage reduction from my perspective hasn't made those any worse or any better.They were cool wheni was newer to the game,but now i don't want to be near them,causes bad game performance and you're always guaranteed to come across large numbers of the cheesiest pvp builds and lame ass gameplay.

Infact now that i think on it,there have been occasions where we as a much smaller numbered force in IC have pushed larger numbers of EP and AD to their spawning platforms and kept them there,with kills galore happening.

xXNesTXx · October 2015

And now? people bored in siege weapons without any kills, archers running out of stamina before to kill somebody, (or stop shooting if the target have shield, because is a waste of time and stamina) healers making immortals to the others....people without move out of the keeps to do some sneak kills because 1vX battles are a lost battle and NPC's with level vet 16 who dies like vet 1....

Sorry but if in any moment the PVP are for noobs....it's now.....you only need run in front the enemies spamming some melee skill with 20-30 guys....if you want play in solo or small group? directly you can't do it, at least against of players (or having lucky to found another small group to fight, but is so rare since the patch) because before the patch, take some resources in solo, was a very bad idea...now....tonight I taken all resources of AD keeps of south (Black Boot and Bloodmayne) in solo....with my Cold Harbour Ballista, while AD was occupied taking the DC scrolls....the 50% of damage taken reduction, is TOO HIGH and basically has destroyed the PVP in Cyrodiil

WassyLad · October 2015

Since the update I've seen more and more people quitting this game. Myself included. I just check back on forums to see if they've fixed it yet. All of my friends list who were on eso 24/7 I'd say out of 20 of them only 2 still play.

a.skelton92 · October 2015

wormfudge wrote: »

Id like to know who tested this new patch? You have failed. The damage reduction of 50 percent? Seriously? Battle scaling low vets so theyre stronger than v15s? I hope this gets fixed asap. You guys must be trying to cash out

You're entitled to your opinion.

a.skelton92 · October 2015

WassyLad wrote: »

Since the update I've seen more and more people quitting this game. Myself included. I just check back on forums to see if they've fixed it yet. All of my friends list who were on eso 24/7 I'd say out of 20 of them only 2 still play.

They would have quit over something else equally as minor. It was just a matter of time.

Angarato · October 2015

i killed some vampire sorc in like 1.5 second the other day. and later that same day i got 2shotted (basicly 1 shot cause hit at same time by ice comet+crystalshard. i have 22k health at v16. damage reduction seems fine to me

Angarato · October 2015

and lol at people crying about battle leveled vets. they hit like wet noodles cause their gear doesnt matter. i could just stand there letting some dk pummel me with his greatsword and my health didnt even go down.

MrGrimey · October 2015

Angarato wrote: »

and lol at people crying about battle leveled vets. they hit like wet noodles cause their gear doesnt matter. i could just stand there letting some dk pummel me with his greatsword and my health didnt even go down.

Battle level characters benefit from set bonuses that increase weapon damage and crit chance like hundings rage and night mother. My battle level vet 6 hits almost as hard as my vet 16. Only difference is that my battle level character has about 35k health vs 18k health of my vet 16, lol.

I'm not complaining since it makes leveling in pvp much easier, but it is a bit stupid op

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

Yeah its great. That and the nerfs to tanks in pvp, mean that you can either pve as a tank, or dps as a pvp'er. Its pretty terrible actually. I'm pretty sure they're going to make some major changes to the game over the next few months.

TheLaw · October 2015

I actually agree with this. Pvp isn't fun anymore. I unsubbed and won't be logging in much.

AbraXuSeXile · October 2015

Gotta agree this game is a mess

xXNesTXx · October 2015

Another reason for why PvP is crap now is the new scoring system

Resource = 1 point
Scroll = 1 point

WTF??

To take a enemy scroll under your control, you need having under your control 2 keeps and a huge group to take it.....and some time to go back to your territory (all of that can take hours to make it.....)

Any resource can be controlled by a one single guy

So...10 minutes before the score evaluation, you can get your horse, and take all enemies resources of a native keep....making a 9 points of difference (enemy have 6 point less, and you have 3 more) between your alliance and that alliance

Making results like this....6 scrolls under control, and the lowest potential scoring

wormfudge · November 2015

Its a little better once you get your gear settled, its true. I mean, fully proced and buffed with Molag kene my frags are at 22k tooltip dmg. Sorta gnarly, before taking the damage deduction into account. I mean, I worked hard to get my gear up. Theres not much fun with the 50 percent deduction and it really limits the whole slogan of limitless builds. Grrr, idk.

vamp_emily · November 2015

Campaign: BwB

Before the patch I did ok, not the best fighter but I was able to fight.

After the patch, I get destroyed. Now you may say I need better gear or whatever. This is what I have:

7 pieces of Whitestrake's Retribution ( purple )
Whitestrake Daggers ( purple )
Whitestrake Staff ( blue )
Over half my points are in Health
The food I eat Is purple.

All my gears is at the correct level, I might have to repair it though.

I am level 47 with no CP.

I log in yesterday and got beat down by a level 26.
I go back and get beat down by a level 11, 12, and 16.

There was no fight. I get clobbered like 4 or 5 times and it is over.

I am going to post my stats tomorrow and see maybe if someone can help me, but I just don't understand why such low levels are tearing me up. I was solo, but then I figured I better group because of the damage reduction; but still same story.

I'm not liking these changes, yesterday was the first day I decided not to spend all my time in PvP.

Kyrolith · November 2015

vamp_emily wrote: »

7 pieces of Whitestrake's Retribution ( purple )
Whitestrake Daggers ( purple )
Whitestrake Staff ( blue )
Over half my points are in Health

You should only be using up to 5 total pieces of any given set.
Instead of wearing 9 Whitestrake's, you can use 5 Whitestrake's and 4 pieces of another set on your dual wield bar (3 on your staff bar).
I'd make a comment about your weapon and attribute choice but I have no idea what kind of setup you are trying to run.

Xeven · November 2015

wormfudge wrote: »

Its a little better once you get your gear settled, its true. I mean, fully proced and buffed with Molag kene my frags are at 22k tooltip dmg. Sorta gnarly, before taking the damage deduction into account. I mean, I worked hard to get my gear up. Theres not much fun with the 50 percent deduction and it really limits the whole slogan of limitless builds. Grrr, idk.

WHY U NECRO DIS TOPIC

The OP was talking about Battle Spirit. You guys are bumping this and talking about Battle Leveling. It's confusing. Start a new thread.

SneaK · November 2015

vamp_emily wrote: »

Campaign: BwB

Before the patch I did ok, not the best fighter but I was able to fight.

After the patch, I get destroyed. Now you may say I need better gear or whatever. This is what I have:

7 pieces of Whitestrake's Retribution ( purple )
Whitestrake Daggers ( purple )
Whitestrake Staff ( blue )
Over half my points are in Health
The food I eat Is purple.

All my gears is at the correct level, I might have to repair it though.

I am level 47 with no CP.

I log in yesterday and got beat down by a level 26.
I go back and get beat down by a level 11, 12, and 16.

There was not fight. I get clobbered like 4 or 5 times and it is over.

I am going to post my stats tomorrow and see maybe if someone can help me, but I just don't understand why such low levels are tearing me up. I was solo, but then I figured I better group because of the damage reduction; but still same story.

I'm not liking these changes, yesterday was the first day I decided not to spend all my time in PvP.

Gear alone won't ensure survival...

Those 11's/26's might have just been good players, leveling an alt and perhaps had a lot of CP. You never know. Just have to out play them, can't simply out gear them.

KundaliniHero · November 2015

I dont mind IC, the concept has merit, however the execution is lacking which seems to be an consistent theme with Zos. From a game design perspective IC will soon be a ghost town simply due to the fact that there isnt enough content to really keep players down there. The only thing it will be used for is to grind mats and levels, lol. Nightblades may be kings down there right now but soon they'll be kings with no kingdom.

Jsmalls · November 2015

I think the patch is fine, I could one shot people with my crystal frags before and I don't think you want that.

zornyan · November 2015

Can still one shot people with frags etc, with people hitting nearly 5.5k spell damage and 45k magicka, and frags critting for 45k....

Well just think of it, anyone with less than 20k health is already dead..

revonine · November 2015

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

I found this too once I got my own V16 gear. I'd nearly bet the damage reduction was implemented to accommodate this. They're gonna need a different way of dealing with power creep though or else we'll be seeing 75, 80, 85, 90% damage reduction in Cyrodill in the future xD

zornyan wrote: »

5.5k spell damage and 45k magicka

WHAT? How? I gonna guess that Law of Julianos has a part to play here. I may finish levelling my Sorc so I can have VET Maelstrom easy mode.

zornyan · November 2015

revonine wrote: »

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

I found this too once I got my own V16 gear. I'd nearly bet the damage reduction was implemented to accommodate this. They're gonna need a different way of dealing with power creep though or else we'll be seeing 75, 80, 85, 90% damage reduction in Cyrodill in the future xD

zornyan wrote: »

5.5k spell damage and 45k magicka

WHAT? How? I gonna guess that Law of Julianos has a part to play here. I may finish levelling my Sorc so I can have VET Maelstrom easy mode.

This was pre orsinium, scathing mage + molag kena proc, even without that sorcs are hitting 40k+ frag crits in pve, so an easy 20k hit in pvp against lower spell resist players, hence why I'm using some nirnhoned gear now.

Millerman34n · November 2015

Agreed

LoreRiley · November 2015

zatohonour wrote: »

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Interesting.

I got my v16 stuff more or les now,and my damage is high enough to be killing people nearly as quickly as i was pre patch in v14,no exaggeration,with little change to my builds i use.

I like the damage reduction,fights are a little more tactical now.Those instant and near instant kills were silly.Glad to see much much less of those now.

I was probably that low level guy wrecking you

TheBonesXXX · November 2015

When you realize that PvP has been getting the short end of the stick the whole time, you'll just move on.

olsborg · November 2015

I notice it on my magicka sorc, but not on my stamina nb, the nb can still instagib ppl from stealth, 10k heavy from bow, 6-8k ambush and a followup 5-8k surpr atk and most people die, if not, the next surpr atk will. The 3 first hits are basicly within 1 second with animation canceling.