Patch Broke PvP

WassyLad

I see a lot of you are recommending new gear, can anyone recommend me a set that'll get me back to around 2400 spell damage on a NB?

Maybe willing to give the game another chance, although I'm currently loving the new destiny dlc after vowing I wouldn't buy it lol

Kobaal

Get 3 piece willpower jewlery. Put spell power enchants on your jewlery. Get Apprentice Mundus Stones. That will greatly increase your spell power.

Strider_Roshin

This patch made it very difficult for one person to fight many and buffed large groups. There are a lot of things I liked about this patch but the damage reduction is WAY too harsh.

Aunatar

Guys, do NOT forget VR16 glyphs are much more powerful than the VR14 ones. Max Magicka/Max Stamina are still a very important component in the calculation of the damage.
Remember that (roughly):
dmg=(Maxstat+spellorweapondmg*10.46)*tooltip

AbraXuSeXile

Game is so boring now, i just pray everyone goes back cyrodiil and IC has nothing to do with cyrodiil population. Pvp in IC is the worst. 2 of us killed a group of 10 last easily, i felt no joy about it, they was grinding. This isnt the pvp i signed up for.

Aunatar

Everyone shall fear @AbraXuSeXile !

FireCowCommando

Yeah, i am pretty sure ill be sitting this one out actually, now that ive spent a bit of time in IC the combat is just... meh.

I retract my previous statement, this patch is making it pretty much impossible for me to enjoy playing.

I really hope for my own sake that gearing up will change things, i doubt id return after taking a break.

WassyLad

A pre patch pvp campaign would be nice. Bet it would be full 24/7.

IV_Deity

WassyLad wrote: »

Fights are boring now, you are forced to Zerg unless you want to spend 5mins killing someone.

You want to 1v1 that dk? Forget it. 5 mins into the fight with neither of you making a dent on each other. After about 5 mins of fighting a dk yesterday I just ran away, I got bored with fighting the same guy for 5 mins spamming the same attacks.

As for gank City how on earth that's classed as pvp I don't know. Run around killing npc's and occasionally run into a Zerg and a) die b) run away.

Solo play is dead. The game is dead. I'm in a multitude of guilds and the general feedback is that this patch was garbage. How this could've been released by zenimax with them thinking its a good idea I have no clue. Battle levelling anyone from v1-13 is a joke also. Where's the incentive for them to level up now when they are harder to kill at a lower level?!

I know I'll get the usual good riddance replies etc but I'm done with this game unless of course they fix it, the only people enjoying this update are pve players and stamina builds.

Thanks zenimax for ruining a game I loved.

I'm going to have to agree. As the only reason I'm here right now is the amount of time it takes to kill someone. Just had an incident where I was up against a vet. 2 who was on his mount. I knocked him off and did a small amount of damage. By the time he was about to die , 3 other people showed up on his team. Lol I'm trying to figure out who came up with such an idea? Fights are too long and that's the problem.

I fought dragon knights in before the update and fought with them for two minutes straight, and that was fun,,,but I don't even want to try now. Not with this update. To burst people, just play in a huge group.

Bats0828

WassyLad wrote: »

Jowrik wrote: »

Man, so many people talking nonsense, it's amazing..
Adapt instead of neglect. The game isn't broken, the game isn't imbalanced and forget about the previous patch. You miss one-shotting people? That just means you're a sore loser or you don't really like a challenge..

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

You can find much better sets for pvp than that now. You're only boosting spelldamage and not gaining any extra setbonusses other than stats. How about you take a look at the new ones/updated ones? Kagrenac's hope is a pretty good one nowadays. Eye's of Mara is even pretty strong.
I'm happy with this patch. Atleast it lets me think of new ways to wreck face.

WassyLad wrote: »

I know I'll get the usual good riddance replies etc but I'm done with this game unless of course they fix it, the only people enjoying this update are pve players and stamina builds.

LOL

BalticBlues wrote: »

btw: I also receive complaints regarding PvE, where people see a drastic loss in their stat values and therefore experience a higher difficulty. People see losses like going from 18.000 health before the patch to 15.500 health after the patch. Against the AI, for casual players such a loss is substantial, resulting in more work and less fun.

A drastic loss in stats is probably because Buff-servers are no longer a thing. I'm at 38% crit instead of 50%. People are actually seeing their real stats instead of the permabuffed ones.

wormfudge wrote: »

Fights are perfect if youd never put time in to leveling to v14. V14 and higher get short end

V14 and higher usually have way more Champion points.

You clearly don't play pvp very much.

"So many people talking nonsense" you just said it yourself if so many people are talking about it surely there's something not right?

Why should I adapt to a game that isn't enjoyable to play anymore? There was nothing wrong with the previous patch apart from people abusing prox det and obvious bugs (in my opinion).

The sets are garbage and gimmicky "Phoenix set" really?...

To insinuate everyone in pve has lost stats due to pvp buffs is idiotic.

But hey if you enjoy it good for you man I'm glad you can carry on playing. For me it's incredibly boring now. IC doesn't interest me in the slightest and pvp is ruined due to the fact you now pretty much HAVE to Zerg unless you want 30 minute 1v1's with anyone else who isn't a magicka NB or sorc.

There are now an abundance of stamina Templars and sorcerers does that not ring alarm bells to ZOS that maybe they've gone too far the other way whilst nerfing magicka. Hell I saw at least 5 sorcs last night using bows!
This is why I get sick of developers listening to people who don't actually play the game a lot but jump on forums to whine about something every chance they get. It ruins it for the die hard players.

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Game is so boring now, i just pray everyone goes back cyrodiil and IC has nothing to do with cyrodiil population. Pvp in IC is the worst. 2 of us killed a group of 10 last easily, i felt no joy about it, they was grinding. This isnt the pvp i signed up for.[/q

I agree with you man. The game has suddenly become boring. If you go to a campaign that is dominated by other alliances in Imperial city, its hard killing other players since they dominate the campaign and you always have to worry about the NPC's in every corner. Now if you go to a campaign where your alliance dominate it, it gets boring because you wont enjoy it that much. I think give it 2 or 3 weeks and people will get bore in Imperial City and they will come back to open world Cyrodiil

Paradox

Shucks, ZoS, sure looks like this patch is making people quit.

Maybe you should do something Bout that.

Wollust

Paradox wrote: »

Shucks, ZoS, sure looks like this patch is making people quit.

Maybe you should do something Bout that.

Well.. the zerglings have the greater numbers than people like us.. So.. they are kinda better for business I guess lol

Wycks

2 nights in a row cyrodil is a dead zone on the second most popular campaign, prior to the patch it was busy every night since release.. IC is even quite, just the same few people running around.

You know a patch is bad when people leave the game when it comes out, which is the exact opposite of what it should be doing. The upper management at ZOS should all be fired.

WassyLad

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

2 nights in a row cyrodil is a dead zone on the second most popular campaign, prior to the patch it was busy every night since release.. IC is even quite, just the same few people running around.

You know a patch is bad when people leave the game when it comes out, which is the exact opposite of what it should be doing. The upper management at ZOS should all be fired.

Ironically this dlc made me want to buy the taken king dlc for destiny which I swore I wouldn't buy because destiny was garbage.
But I can say that the taken king is 100% a better dlc than imperial city. Less bugs etc and all the nerfs budgie made actually balanced the game!

zornyan

WassyLad wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

2 nights in a row cyrodil is a dead zone on the second most popular campaign, prior to the patch it was busy every night since release.. IC is even quite, just the same few people running around.

You know a patch is bad when people leave the game when it comes out, which is the exact opposite of what it should be doing. The upper management at ZOS should all be fired.

Ironically this dlc made me want to buy the taken king dlc for destiny which I swore I wouldn't buy because destiny was garbage.
But I can say that the taken king is 100% a better dlc than imperial city. Less bugs etc and all the nerfs budgie made actually balanced the game!

Really? Because destiny is the biggest flop of any game in the last year. It lost 17 out of 20 million players in 2 months and 70% of people quit before finishing the 4 hour long storyline.

Btw cyrodlil has been rammed full for ps4 eu recently.

Right now azuras has a 280 pop que for DC which is the quietest pvp alliance, and full red/yellow.

Scourge is 3x 3 full bars.

Bwb has 2 yellow 1 red 1 blue

Thornblade is full reds

Chillrend is full yellows

And haderus bus 2 yellow 3 red 2 blue


It's the busiest I've ever seen it, that's on a Sunday evening which is the quietest night.

Paradox

zornyan wrote: »

WassyLad wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

2 nights in a row cyrodil is a dead zone on the second most popular campaign, prior to the patch it was busy every night since release.. IC is even quite, just the same few people running around.

You know a patch is bad when people leave the game when it comes out, which is the exact opposite of what it should be doing. The upper management at ZOS should all be fired.

Ironically this dlc made me want to buy the taken king dlc for destiny which I swore I wouldn't buy because destiny was garbage.
But I can say that the taken king is 100% a better dlc than imperial city. Less bugs etc and all the nerfs budgie made actually balanced the game!

Really? Because destiny is the biggest flop of any game in the last year. It lost 17 out of 20 million players in 2 months and 70% of people quit before finishing the 4 hour long storyline.

Btw cyrodlil has been rammed full for ps4 eu recently.

Right now azuras has a 280 pop que for DC which is the quietest pvp alliance, and full red/yellow.

Scourge is 3x 3 full bars.

Bwb has 2 yellow 1 red 1 blue

Thornblade is full reds

Chillrend is full yellows

And haderus bus 2 yellow 3 red 2 blue


It's the busiest I've ever seen it, that's on a Sunday evening which is the quietest night.

Your blind defense of all things ZoS is just annoying at this point.

WassyLad

zornyan wrote: »

WassyLad wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

2 nights in a row cyrodil is a dead zone on the second most popular campaign, prior to the patch it was busy every night since release.. IC is even quite, just the same few people running around.

You know a patch is bad when people leave the game when it comes out, which is the exact opposite of what it should be doing. The upper management at ZOS should all be fired.

Ironically this dlc made me want to buy the taken king dlc for destiny which I swore I wouldn't buy because destiny was garbage.
But I can say that the taken king is 100% a better dlc than imperial city. Less bugs etc and all the nerfs budgie made actually balanced the game!

Really? Because destiny is the biggest flop of any game in the last year. It lost 17 out of 20 million players in 2 months and 70% of people quit before finishing the 4 hour long storyline.

Btw cyrodlil has been rammed full for ps4 eu recently.

Right now azuras has a 280 pop que for DC which is the quietest pvp alliance, and full red/yellow.

Scourge is 3x 3 full bars.

Bwb has 2 yellow 1 red 1 blue

Thornblade is full reds

Chillrend is full yellows

And haderus bus 2 yellow 3 red 2 blue


It's the busiest I've ever seen it, that's on a Sunday evening which is the quietest night.

Biggest flop of the year, yet it won game of the year? Go figure lol...

Those destiny stats seem a bit strange, 70% quit without finishing the story? Why would they pay for a game and not even finish the story.

The saying "99% of statistics are made up" seems quite appropriate here I'm afraid or was you joking?

Everyone I know who played it at least got to level 30 (around 40 or so people).

Also just because the original game was supposedly a flop doesn't mean the dlc is worse, again it's my personal opinion that it's better. You could play it and think it's garbage which is fair enough.

Please note, I'm not trying to say destiny is a better game than eso because it isn't. My point is destiny was garbage at first yet it could still release a better dlc than eso could and destiny has nerfed things in the name of balanced game play a lot better than eso has.

Mojmir

cyrodiil is full due to waiting on load screens to get out

FriedEggSandwich

wormfudge wrote: »

Im geared, lol. V14 with adroitness 2, worm cult 2, torag dual wield nirnhoned, martial 4, cyro light 2. Still cant do crap.

Not to insult you but all V14 gear isn't "geared" any more. The difference between v14 and v16 gear is huge when you account for passive multipliers. Tool tips might say just 50 more spell damage or whatever, but it works out as a lot more. I'm still in mostly v14 gear but just upgrading my 2x torugs to v16 gave me ~150 more spell damage.

Edit: v16 gear takes v16 enchants. Fully enchanted the new 3 piece jewellery sets will do wonders for your stats.

MancandyMcDong

They nerfed my easy-mode sorc, so now I'll make a general complaint thread about the patch!


OP fix'd. You're welcome.

zornyan

WassyLad wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

WassyLad wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

2 nights in a row cyrodil is a dead zone on the second most popular campaign, prior to the patch it was busy every night since release.. IC is even quite, just the same few people running around.

You know a patch is bad when people leave the game when it comes out, which is the exact opposite of what it should be doing. The upper management at ZOS should all be fired.

Ironically this dlc made me want to buy the taken king dlc for destiny which I swore I wouldn't buy because destiny was garbage.
But I can say that the taken king is 100% a better dlc than imperial city. Less bugs etc and all the nerfs budgie made actually balanced the game!

Really? Because destiny is the biggest flop of any game in the last year. It lost 17 out of 20 million players in 2 months and 70% of people quit before finishing the 4 hour long storyline.

Btw cyrodlil has been rammed full for ps4 eu recently.

Right now azuras has a 280 pop que for DC which is the quietest pvp alliance, and full red/yellow.

Scourge is 3x 3 full bars.

Bwb has 2 yellow 1 red 1 blue

Thornblade is full reds

Chillrend is full yellows

And haderus bus 2 yellow 3 red 2 blue


It's the busiest I've ever seen it, that's on a Sunday evening which is the quietest night.

Biggest flop of the year, yet it won game of the year? Go figure lol...

Those destiny stats seem a bit strange, 70% quit without finishing the story? Why would they pay for a game and not even finish the story.

The saying "99% of statistics are made up" seems quite appropriate here I'm afraid or was you joking?

Everyone I know who played it at least got to level 30 (around 40 or so people).

Also just because the original game was supposedly a flop doesn't mean the dlc is worse, again it's my personal opinion that it's better. You could play it and think it's garbage which is fair enough.

Please note, I'm not trying to say destiny is a better game than eso because it isn't. My point is destiny was garbage at first yet it could still release a better dlc than eso could and destiny has nerfed things in the name of balanced game play a lot better than eso has.

Honestly I wasnt kidding, it was put together by psn trophies and xbox live, that a majority of players had never finished the story, gotten more than 100 vanguard/crucible marks, done raids or any endgame content etc.

I just feel bitter towards destiny as a hype train fail, it could have been awesome, literially a game to keep people entertained for 10 years. But it really let people down in the first few months, and the first 2 dlcs really didn't do them any favours.

@Paradox

You sound like an angry person, if you dislike this game/anyone that actually enjoys it you should move over to the destiny forums, they love trolls like you there.

DannyLV702

Highly agree with OP. The nerfs don't even make sense. I was finally able to have 2 pieces of Adroitness for more spell damage but it doesn't add a single point lol. I contacted support thinking my account was jacked up, but their answer implied that's the way it is now so that people under lvl 50 have a better chance.... Are you f****** kidding me? What's the point of non vet pvp then???

The only reason I didn't quit after the update is for the fact that BEFORE the update, i spent $40 in crowns not knowing what was about to happen since i don't use forums often to check up on these things. This is the first time i ever got hooked on a video game so idk i took it personal. blah whatever have my money

WassyLad

Seeing more and more big name pvp players on low level stamina templars/dragon knights but magicka and stamina have been "balanced" according to some of you on here.

Seems legit.

zornyan

WassyLad wrote: »

Seeing more and more big name pvp players on low level stamina templars/dragon knights but magicka and stamina have been "balanced" according to some of you on here.

Seems legit.

Well considering magika templars are far more viable now then ever I wouldn't say so myself, my magika imperial templar feels far stronger than before, and due to the healing nerf templars really are the only dedicated healers anymore, with things like puncturing sweeps being more vital than before, as usually stam builds were burst damage in 1.6 which isnt as effective now.

WassyLad

zornyan wrote: »

WassyLad wrote: »

Seeing more and more big name pvp players on low level stamina templars/dragon knights but magicka and stamina have been "balanced" according to some of you on here.

Seems legit.

Well considering magika templars are far more viable now then ever I wouldn't say so myself, my magika imperial templar feels far stronger than before, and due to the healing nerf templars really are the only dedicated healers anymore, with things like puncturing sweeps being more vital than before, as usually stam builds were burst damage in 1.6 which isnt as effective now.

I play in a pvp guild and I'd say roughly at least 50% of our healers have gone stamina build as it's better dps.

I can't speak factually as I don't roll one myself but I do know stamina Templars are supposedly the most OP pvp class now according to some of the big eso "build makers" if that's what you could call it haha

WassyLad

So after reading some of the comments I thought new gear was the solution. Well running the best gear for a magicka build it is still awful.

Thanks for ruining a great game zenimax GG.

Cathexis

Fire ballista's need to be able to kill still, otherwise patch is fine.

xXNesTXx

Yep, PvP in Cyrodiil is crap right now...npc's are useless....the battle leveling make the lower levels more strongest than higher levels (It's so funny how see V16 run away of my DK 25).....low damage dealt by siege weapons, make the people stay under siege attacks like in a sun bath....

With all of this.... and having a IC with pure zerg grinding....I don't know how much time the people will continue playing....

Junglejim82

It's stupid across the board I was 1v1 ing a v4 red that tried ganking me off my horse , magic nb . It went on for around 3 or 4 minutes. A 1v1 , dps vs dps ? This wasn't tank v tank or heal v heal FFS . Anyway was about to finally execute him and got an ice comet from behind from 8 bananas who done us both . Fantastic . I'd have been on an extended eso break had Tony hawks not been a sacrilegious buggy mess. As is I'll return when I've finished mgs 5

xylena

re: magicka NB... stacking max magicka is stronger than stacking spell power because NB has a passive with a multiplier that increases max magic by quite a bit, but nothing that affects spell power

re: breaking pvp... posting this image til zos does something about it