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Thread for PC Users :)

  • UrQuan
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    Just had an idea.

    The IC main quest give way more stones than the dailies.... I think a couple of my mules will have to look outside the bank for the first time in a long time to find their way to level 10... lol
    Huh. I've got 7 characters who might just have to make their way to IC. And then maybe 8 more if you can send TV stones from one account to another like you can with gold...
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • MissBizz
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Just had an idea.

    The IC main quest give way more stones than the dailies.... I think a couple of my mules will have to look outside the bank for the first time in a long time to find their way to level 10... lol
    Huh. I've got 7 characters who might just have to make their way to IC. And then maybe 8 more if you can send TV stones from one account to another like you can with gold...

    No you can't mail stones. If you had two PC's you could kill your other account in IC though, although I'm not sure if that's against the rules.
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • UrQuan
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Just had an idea.

    The IC main quest give way more stones than the dailies.... I think a couple of my mules will have to look outside the bank for the first time in a long time to find their way to level 10... lol
    Huh. I've got 7 characters who might just have to make their way to IC. And then maybe 8 more if you can send TV stones from one account to another like you can with gold...

    No you can't mail stones. If you had two PC's you could kill your other account in IC though, although I'm not sure if that's against the rules.
    Oh sheesh, I could totally do that. I've already used the "log on to one account on my desktop and the other on my laptop" technique to spread lycanthropy and vampirism from one character to another. I don't know about this, though. I mean, if I kill my own characters on my other account in PVP then I'd be getting AP for it. That seems like a major exploit to me... I don't think I should do it.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Xendyn
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Just had an idea.

    The IC main quest give way more stones than the dailies.... I think a couple of my mules will have to look outside the bank for the first time in a long time to find their way to level 10... lol
    Huh. I've got 7 characters who might just have to make their way to IC. And then maybe 8 more if you can send TV stones from one account to another like you can with gold...

    No you can't mail stones. If you had two PC's you could kill your other account in IC though, although I'm not sure if that's against the rules.
    Oh sheesh, I could totally do that. I've already used the "log on to one account on my desktop and the other on my laptop" technique to spread lycanthropy and vampirism from one character to another. I don't know about this, though. I mean, if I kill my own characters on my other account in PVP then I'd be getting AP for it. That seems like a major exploit to me... I don't think I should do it.

    It has been done, is done and no, you shouldn't. Def exploiting having multiple accounts.
    Some have even gotten Emp doing that.
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • MissBizz
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Just had an idea.

    The IC main quest give way more stones than the dailies.... I think a couple of my mules will have to look outside the bank for the first time in a long time to find their way to level 10... lol
    Huh. I've got 7 characters who might just have to make their way to IC. And then maybe 8 more if you can send TV stones from one account to another like you can with gold...

    No you can't mail stones. If you had two PC's you could kill your other account in IC though, although I'm not sure if that's against the rules.
    Oh sheesh, I could totally do that. I've already used the "log on to one account on my desktop and the other on my laptop" technique to spread lycanthropy and vampirism from one character to another. I don't know about this, though. I mean, if I kill my own characters on my other account in PVP then I'd be getting AP for it. That seems like a major exploit to me... I don't think I should do it.

    It has been done, is done and no, you shouldn't. Def exploiting having multiple accounts.
    Some have even gotten Emp doing that.

    Emp even? Jeesh. Yeah makes sense. Guess you only get your 8 characters worth of TV then UrQuan. That's still plenty!
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • UrQuan
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Just had an idea.

    The IC main quest give way more stones than the dailies.... I think a couple of my mules will have to look outside the bank for the first time in a long time to find their way to level 10... lol
    Huh. I've got 7 characters who might just have to make their way to IC. And then maybe 8 more if you can send TV stones from one account to another like you can with gold...

    No you can't mail stones. If you had two PC's you could kill your other account in IC though, although I'm not sure if that's against the rules.
    Oh sheesh, I could totally do that. I've already used the "log on to one account on my desktop and the other on my laptop" technique to spread lycanthropy and vampirism from one character to another. I don't know about this, though. I mean, if I kill my own characters on my other account in PVP then I'd be getting AP for it. That seems like a major exploit to me... I don't think I should do it.

    It has been done, is done and no, you shouldn't. Def exploiting having multiple accounts.
    Some have even gotten Emp doing that.
    Gah, that's terrible. Yeah, definitely not going to do this. Even if nobody but me would know, it doesn't matter.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • newtinmpls
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    just characters waiting for my attention.

    :p That's where I live
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • JD2013
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    Page 5?? Oh my no, this will not do.

    Morning all!

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    Breakfast comes from Canada today! With, of course, Maple Syrup.

    Gods I love that stuff.
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • newtinmpls
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    Nummy nummy goodness!

    Well yesterday in IC I got my DK from 26 to 30. Dang XP are easy to come by there. I also found out that I could travel to Cyrodiil without being a member of any campaign (was blocked due to "character in opposing alliance"). Seems like lack of AP is the only difference - which I don't care about. Just wanted to 'venture with friends.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • MissBizz
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    Nummy nummy goodness!

    Well yesterday in IC I got my DK from 26 to 30. Dang XP are easy to come by there. I also found out that I could travel to Cyrodiil without being a member of any campaign (was blocked due to "character in opposing alliance"). Seems like lack of AP is the only difference - which I don't care about. Just wanted to 'venture with friends.

    Group with someone and queue as group? I use that one so I can play with friends too :) no spy here
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • newtinmpls
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    Group with someone and queue as group? I use that one so I can play with friends too :) no spy here

    It was even easier than that. I went to the campaign area, and without joining I just hit travel to campaign or enter or whatever the first thing is, and it said single access, do you want to go in the next 56 seconds and I said yes.

    No spying, just gaming with a friend (oh, and getting killed every so often, but there you are).
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • MissBizz
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Group with someone and queue as group? I use that one so I can play with friends too :) no spy here

    It was even easier than that. I went to the campaign area, and without joining I just hit travel to campaign or enter or whatever the first thing is, and it said single access, do you want to go in the next 56 seconds and I said yes.

    No spying, just gaming with a friend (oh, and getting killed every so often, but there you are).

    That's odd... hmmm
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • newtinmpls
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    Or maybe I was grouped - but the other character was already in IC - I was using solo access; that part I am sure of.

    Need more coffee....
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • UrQuan
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Group with someone and queue as group? I use that one so I can play with friends too :) no spy here

    It was even easier than that. I went to the campaign area, and without joining I just hit travel to campaign or enter or whatever the first thing is, and it said single access, do you want to go in the next 56 seconds and I said yes.

    No spying, just gaming with a friend (oh, and getting killed every so often, but there you are).
    Huh. I didn't think that was supposed to work... I'll try it on a character I haven't selected new campaigns with later.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Pendrillion
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    Page 6????!!!! Man. In any case. I stumbled over this gem :)
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    Page 6????!!!! Man. In any case. I stumbled over this gem :)

    Well hi, got popcorn?
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • Pendrillion
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    Dammit I try to insert a picture link :DaGRMM7z_700b_v1.jpg
    Edited by Pendrillion on 19 September 2015 13:53
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    Yeh some don't work. Has to end in jpg or png or some such.
    I'll help :)

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    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • Pendrillion
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    Now I managed. I laughed so much. And have some swiss popcorn :)

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    Yum...throw some of that good Swiss chocolate in there and we're all set.
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • likelolwhat
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    I needs me some of this...

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    Nuttin' like Alaska Grown.
    Forever looking for that one avatar that no one else has...

    The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - the definitive source for Elder Scrolls info. Proud founding member of the official PC UESP guild, NA server.
  • WldKarde
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    In keeping with our threads latest endorsement of bacon as the perfect food...I humbly suggest this as our new official snack.

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    The fact that this delicious and nutritious treat comes from my home state of Oregon should in no way sway voters ;)

    Besides, it rains here about 300 days a year...I think we know a little something about comfort food :p
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • likelolwhat
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    wldkarde wrote: »
    In keeping with our threads latest endorsement of bacon as the perfect food...I humbly suggest this as our new official snack.

    k2-_9c266645-89a0-4730-8bb7-40c71e1332ef.v2.jpg

    The fact that this delicious and nutritious treat comes from my home state of Oregon should in no way sway voters ;)

    Besides, it rains here about 300 days a year...I think we know a little something about comfort food :p

    *spams Awesome button*
    Forever looking for that one avatar that no one else has...

    The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - the definitive source for Elder Scrolls info. Proud founding member of the official PC UESP guild, NA server.
  • likelolwhat
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    Also I just upgraded to Win 10, spent half an hour getting it to look like I want, and now ESO doesn't recognize this computer. I hate having to look at my email...

    *is recluse*
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    Forever looking for that one avatar that no one else has...

    The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - the definitive source for Elder Scrolls info. Proud founding member of the official PC UESP guild, NA server.
  • WldKarde
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    *spams Awesome button*

    It would appear we have a yes vote from the great state of Alaska!

    Do I hear another one B)

    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
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    BTW @UrQuan hows the Official Tamriel Feast coming?

    I'd be happy to send some maple bacon popcorn up north as a between course palate cleanser.
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • Xendyn
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    wldkarde wrote: »

    *spams Awesome button*

    It would appear we have a yes vote from the great state of Alaska!

    Do I hear another one B)

    You do, that's worth an Awesome.
    Also, I want to try some.
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • WldKarde
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    I think I might have found the perfect thing to wash down some Maple Bacon Popcorn :)

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    Also from my home state or as it would seem, the "we enjoy everything with bacon" capital!

    Any chance @ZOS_GinaBruno that someone from Oregon is working on the new recipes for Orsinium???

    If not, then now ya know where to look for inspiration ;)
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • MissBizz
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    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/218675/sooo-ive-given-up-on-my-templar-with-23-days-playtime

    ...23 days?

    ...my bank Mules probably have 23 days playtime.

    I dare everyone to go add up their playtime.. From all characters. >:)
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/218675/sooo-ive-given-up-on-my-templar-with-23-days-playtime

    ...23 days?

    ...my bank Mules probably have 23 days playtime.

    I dare everyone to go add up their playtime.. From all characters. >:)

    That could be...embarassing.
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