Sooo, I've given up on my Templar with 23 days playtime.

Treasure_Goblin

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

FriedEggSandwich

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

What you're saying is that you're not prepared to grind in IC? Well that could affect any class with any amount of playtime; the fact you're a templar is irrelevant. Unless I misunderstood.

Lutallo

You can make a magicka templar work with cheap gear. V14 Martial Knowledge, Worm Cult, Adroitness, Cyrodiil's light and Torug's pact with new Spell Harm Enchantments on jewellery (174 spell damage each) brings my spell damage to around 2.8k unbuffed. Gear is easy to get, except worm cult but you can replace it.

Van_0S

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

No offence, but next time play a female character, even if she lvl up slowly at least she is sexy and you can see her butt for 24/7(3rd person view). For me the NB was a weak class before the patch and she used to die every time, I had DK character and he was strong but because she was too sexy I couldn't ignore her and now she is more powerfull than the DK (due to the patch for NB).

Shinra

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

CP -- The reason I wouldn't recommend this game to anyone who didn't already play for a long time.

Well, however much I like your post and dislike the IC grind, you are wrong in one aspect.

Best tanking gear is still Footman+Engine Guardian+Hist Bark/Seducer/Hundings/Kagrenac/Whitestake
That means Dragonstar-Arena, Gold Dailies and Crafting. No IC included. (Crafting mats can be obtained from undaunted dailies.)

sagitter

imredneckson

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

Buddy there are two armor sets that you can craft for magicka Templar that are easy to craft, very cheap to make, and are a very good combo and for stamplar one set you can have someone craft you the other you can PvP for. ( I forget how to get master weapons TBH )
Magicka Templar
For your armor maybe weapons -Seducer and Magnus
For your weapons- Torugs Pact
Any three piece jewelry you can get (Warklock, two Cyrodiil's light rings, etc.)
Stamina Templar
For your armor and Jewelry- Ravager and Hunding's Rage
Weapons- Master weapons (bow, 2-handed, and dual wield)

Johngo0036

I am a VR5 Templar healer/tank/whatever,

I use 5 pce Warlock(VR1)
5 pce seducer (2Heavy + 3 Lite)
1 or 2 pce torugs pact(Resto staff or Sword & Board)

In IC i find killing mobs easier with this build than with my sorc/Dk/NB who are all VR16....

Battle leveling does help alot,
But with Jabbing bites(magicka Morph) i have increadible sustain,

Dracane

That's what each class needs to do Grinding IC or IC dungeons or marry a rich man, in order to reach something now.
This is no Templar issue. And Lol @ Templar can't heal

icontested

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

You could farm for a flux capacitor! Most commonly known from the back to the future movies. Use it for Time travel.

Cherryblossom

Very strange, I've found a great deal of love for my Templar since the launch of IC.

I'd stopped playing my Templar due to all the bugs and lack of DPS. But now she hit's like a truck and can survive most things, still some bugs; toppling charge still sometimes locks you into the animation, jesus beam sometimes doesn't animate the beam but you still take the superman pose!

As mentioned above there are some nice V14 sets you can use, you don't need IC sets.

Justice31st

I feel your pain.

Kas

Imho, it's very easy as a Templar to "catch up". Providing enough heal for all content is very easy. Good templars will contribute tons on damage as well, but 99% of groups will be perfectly content with your performance if you get the healing done. DPS is just the icing on the cake.

Apart form that, sewers zergs are a easy way to get tons of gold for gear (about 100k gold per hours is very realistic) without having to do much at all (see below).

Start with:

4 martial knowledge v14 (basically worhtless, mught be hard to find but 1-2k a piece)
Craft Torugs pact rest/destro staves. (if you absolutely must, start with V14, try to get V16 weapons asap and upgrade them to golden)
1 heavy Torugs pact chest
2 adroitness (neck + X)
2 cyrodiils light v14 rings (ask someone with many AP to buy them, there's no good way to spend AP right now, I guess 20k per ring is a fair price, a friend will given them to you for free. If you're PC/EU, i can COD you two rings for 30k if you're interested.)

Make sure you have magicka cost reduction glyphs on the jewelry as logn as you don't have tons of CP.

This whole setup will allow you to be a perfectly fine healer for all pve content in the game. Right after the patch, we had no significantly better equip but did vWGT. After soem upgrades vPrison. In order to obtain perfect equip, you really need to farm for ages, but everyone has to.

With puncturing sweeps you should easily be able to farm well in when solo in IC.

If you need quick money, join a campaign dominatd by your faction and join one of those zerg groups that farm ether/bone trophys in the sewers (zombie area between blue base and the middle). Being in a large group means lousy TVS and low XP but many, many trophies. These trophies can be used to get willpower stuff or sold directly for very good gold if you don't want to gamble.

Then upgrade and get:
1. V16 weapons
2. make weapons legendary
3. Get a 2Hander to swap in for a possible execute (or solo sweeps-spam) bar.
4. Willpower neck + rings (with health is perfectly fine, arcane is a lot more expensive).
5. 1 Molag Kena (shoulder or hat doesn't matter. Don't lose 5 light armor, ideally get 5/1/1)
6. A crafted V16 set so you can use the new, awesome glyphs. Magnus or Karegnac's are good choices.

With more CP, you can maybe upgrade glyphs from MCR to spelldamage.

You should now be a close-to-perfect healer and a very decent DD with the same equip.

Now you're at a point where you're marginally behind people with perfect equip (and only teh CP get remains which is not all that significant unless you want to a) duel or b) compete for top x in the PvE leaderboards. If you want to, you can start your grind for arcane willpower stuff, spellpower cure, overwhealming surge, etc.

Further you can start working on a solo build and go solo/duo to IC to hunt for TVS or enemy players. Clearing mobs will give you less trophies than in zergs, but you get very decent XP to close the CP gap and enough TVS for your activity to be worth it in terms of getting richer

Seravi

My V4 Templar seems to be doing fine with her setup. I generally run solo. Her armor is Arena and Torug's Pact. She uses a sword/shield and restro staff with three heavy, one medium and three light for armor. I only have 100 CPs to use, not much more than the OP has and so far I have managed to make it work. As long as I can keep magic flowing I have no issues and with this setup she doesn't run out. My DK on the other hand is squishy since the IC update. Still working out the kinks on her setup.

Kupoking

Dont you all get it? Op wants to be able to complete endgame content as soon as he hits v16.

As soon as he hits v16 highest dps, able to tank anything or heal a raid by himself.

All that without working your way through a normal mmorpg progression.

Geez zos give him what he wants poor thing.

warpower9

Templar solos in ic daily cls showed me a 15k aoe dps yesterday teamplar healing never a issue if you have any grab a resto staff and slot healing springs it stacks , your group will love you. Wanna see it in action look up lord yoda be glad to show you. Was doing all this before cp was even in game tbh. note before cp heals and dps were lower and I only have 275 cp now and on top cls shows me 900 plus xp per kill when I solo ic been getting 3 or more cp a day lately per 5 hours or so and I'm slow too.

notimetocare

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

Cant tank? Good, I hate having to heal Templar tanks.
Cant dps? I did 13k in gear you could get for around 40k now. Thats enough for all but Vet on the new dungeons easy, and it doesnt lock you out of the new stuff, just means it will be hard.
Can't heal? 5pc healer, 5pc seducer, even v13/14 will heal just about anything. That is a skill issue, not class.

Uh? Some of the best stuff from before IC is far easier to get now (v14 MK)

I have 370 CP, and lacking that is not the end of the world. Played my DK for a week before I realized I never saved my CP after resetting it so all my points were doing nothing. Is CP going to make you stronger? Yes, will you do nothing without it? No.

HA...play a Nightblade for a few weeks and then go crawling back to your templar. I love NB, but it is far less noob friendly than Templar. And as we can see from this post, you need noob friendly.

Lightninvash

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

you should have a talk with @Endless-Shogun he is a Templar and one of the highest dps in the group that we play with. idk how hard it was to make it but hey he is an awesome dps. and I think now I have like 54+ cps and I do well in both dmg and survivability I am more survivable than I can do dmg but that's what he is for to deal the massive blows.. yes ic grind is tough but we found a nice path that is safe enough in our group that if we run into enemies we kill them and we can without worry,6-8 ppl normally. and gain plenty of tv stones if willing to risk carrying 1k stones

Legendzerox

All these threads about Templars being bad at everything, and here I am thinking Templar healers are a force to be reckoned with. I play a Templar healer and I feel as if I excel in healing, and many times in Cyrodiil I have turned fights around as a Templar healer. Squishy? My Templar healer has as much armor and spell resist as a tank.

SammyPeer

Winner - jerry

Lightninvash

Legendzerox wrote: »

All these threads about Templars being bad at everything, and here I am thinking Templar healers are a force to be reckoned with. I play a Templar healer and I feel as if I excel in healing, and many times in Cyrodiil I have turned fights around as a Templar healer. Squishy? My Templar healer has as much armor and spell resist as a tank.

see its not he class its that the players have yet to learn how to mmo and build the class to the way they need it to be to survive without the massive dmg of a major dps and without the amazing hp/def of a tank. most think that oh no ppl are dieing spam bol and they will magically survive is going to work. the animation of bol takes a second to do. sure heal is faster after button press but the animation still goes before you can cast again so it is good for maybe 1 -2 in a row before you get burst down to nothing haha

Legendzerox

Lightninvash wrote: »

Legendzerox wrote: »

All these threads about Templars being bad at everything, and here I am thinking Templar healers are a force to be reckoned with. I play a Templar healer and I feel as if I excel in healing, and many times in Cyrodiil I have turned fights around as a Templar healer. Squishy? My Templar healer has as much armor and spell resist as a tank.

see its not he class its that the players have yet to learn how to mmo and build the class to the way they need it to be to survive without the massive dmg of a major dps and without the amazing hp/def of a tank. most think that oh no ppl are dieing spam bol and they will magically survive is going to work. the animation of bol takes a second to do. sure heal is faster after button press but the animation still goes before you can cast again so it is good for maybe 1 -2 in a row before you get burst down to nothing haha

I don't even use BOL as my main heal. I only use that in circumstances that depend on someone living or dying. Which is what the heal is supposed to be. Its not supposed to be a spammable heal, but a clutch heal.

hedna123b14_ESO

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

I crafted 7 armor pieces and 2 weapons by day 4 of IC...i grinded 2 hours a day...so thats total of 8 hours to get all of my gear...if you think that is excessive you should stop playing MMO's and in particular video games....your sense of entitlement and laziness baffles me...

Flaminir

My Templar healer hasn't had her gear changed yet since the patch... but she's still strong as an Ox, can heal through pretty much anything and chuck in decent DPS too.

The OP statement on Templars not being able to heal without IC gear.....

Lightninvash

Legendzerox wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Legendzerox wrote: »

All these threads about Templars being bad at everything, and here I am thinking Templar healers are a force to be reckoned with. I play a Templar healer and I feel as if I excel in healing, and many times in Cyrodiil I have turned fights around as a Templar healer. Squishy? My Templar healer has as much armor and spell resist as a tank.

see its not he class its that the players have yet to learn how to mmo and build the class to the way they need it to be to survive without the massive dmg of a major dps and without the amazing hp/def of a tank. most think that oh no ppl are dieing spam bol and they will magically survive is going to work. the animation of bol takes a second to do. sure heal is faster after button press but the animation still goes before you can cast again so it is good for maybe 1 -2 in a row before you get burst down to nothing haha

I don't even use BOL as my main heal. I only use that in circumstances that depend on someone living or dying. Which is what the heal is supposed to be. Its not supposed to be a spammable heal, but a clutch heal.

couldn't agree more but ppl will be all I cant bol burst heal its all hmm that's not what its meant for and ppl just havnt learned the mechanics of healer still. my guild misses me when im not on to be healer because im so awesome at it, not to toot my horn or anything. but to say that someone can learn a lot from others who have the right combos to deal with the burst dmg ppl or whatnot

UrQuan

Hmm, by swapping out gear and skills slotted my Templar can tank, heal, or DPS (for solo questing I use my DPS setup, for group dungeons I use whichever setup we need based on who else I'm grouped with and what role we need - I usually tank, though). He's still using all VR14 gear from before IC dropped, too. And I definitely don't have 1,000 champion points... More like around 200. So I'm not sure what you're doing wrong... What platform/server are you on?

Suru

Kas wrote: »

Imho, it's very easy as a Templar to "catch up". Providing enough heal for all content is very easy. Good templars will contribute tons on damage as well, but 99% of groups will be perfectly content with your performance if you get the healing done. DPS is just the icing on the cake.

Apart form that, sewers zergs are a easy way to get tons of gold for gear (about 100k gold per hours is very realistic) without having to do much at all (see below).

Start with:

4 martial knowledge v14 (basically worhtless, mught be hard to find but 1-2k a piece)
Craft Torugs pact rest/destro staves. (if you absolutely must, start with V14, try to get V16 weapons asap and upgrade them to golden)
1 heavy Torugs pact chest
2 adroitness (neck + X)
2 cyrodiils light v14 rings (ask someone with many AP to buy them, there's no good way to spend AP right now, I guess 20k per ring is a fair price, a friend will given them to you for free. If you're PC/EU, i can COD you two rings for 30k if you're interested.)

Make sure you have magicka cost reduction glyphs on the jewelry as logn as you don't have tons of CP.

This whole setup will allow you to be a perfectly fine healer for all pve content in the game. Right after the patch, we had no significantly better equip but did vWGT. After soem upgrades vPrison. In order to obtain perfect equip, you really need to farm for ages, but everyone has to.

With puncturing sweeps you should easily be able to farm well in when solo in IC.

If you need quick money, join a campaign dominatd by your faction and join one of those zerg groups that farm ether/bone trophys in the sewers (zombie area between blue base and the middle). Being in a large group means lousy TVS and low XP but many, many trophies. These trophies can be used to get willpower stuff or sold directly for very good gold if you don't want to gamble.

Then upgrade and get:
1. V16 weapons
2. make weapons legendary
3. Get a 2Hander to swap in for a possible execute (or solo sweeps-spam) bar.
4. Willpower neck + rings (with health is perfectly fine, arcane is a lot more expensive).
5. 1 Molag Kena (shoulder or hat doesn't matter. Don't lose 5 light armor, ideally get 5/1/1)
6. A crafted V16 set so you can use the new, awesome glyphs. Magnus or Karegnac's are good choices.

With more CP, you can maybe upgrade glyphs from MCR to spelldamage.

You should now be a close-to-perfect healer and a very decent DD with the same equip.

Now you're at a point where you're marginally behind people with perfect equip (and only teh CP get remains which is not all that significant unless you want to a) duel or b) compete for top x in the PvE leaderboards. If you want to, you can start your grind for arcane willpower stuff, spellpower cure, overwhealming surge, etc.

Further you can start working on a solo build and go solo/duo to IC to hunt for TVS or enemy players. Clearing mobs will give you less trophies than in zergs, but you get very decent XP to close the CP gap and enough TVS for your activity to be worth it in terms of getting richer

You can use this same set up the rest of your life as a magika templar dps and be fine, just swap out for kag hope to heal and you are fine. Not even willing to try and understand. v16 gear is endgame and most people don't have the set up they are gonna use ready yet. Overreacting.

stonerskate109

It's really not that bad my templar dps sits at 2600 spell damage and right around 3200 with structured entropy. And I'm a vr16. You could do the same for under half a mil.

Treasure_Goblin

notimetocare wrote: »

Treasure_Goblin wrote: »

He can't tank unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his gear from IC.

He can't DPS unless I spend endless hours grinding to get his jewelry in IC, or pay about 950k gold.

He can't heal unless I spend... well you get the point.

seems like the only thing to do to be good in this game is either:

go back in time so you can grind the best stuff before IC came out

or go back in time and buy this game earlier so you have like 1000 CPs

(i have 88)

yeah. or you can play a nightblade and never get touched

Cant tank? Good, I hate having to heal Templar tanks.
Cant dps? I did 13k in gear you could get for around 40k now. Thats enough for all but Vet on the new dungeons easy, and it doesnt lock you out of the new stuff, just means it will be hard.
Can't heal? 5pc healer, 5pc seducer, even v13/14 will heal just about anything. That is a skill issue, not class.

Uh? Some of the best stuff from before IC is far easier to get now (v14 MK)

I have 370 CP, and lacking that is not the end of the world. Played my DK for a week before I realized I never saved my CP after resetting it so all my points were doing nothing. Is CP going to make you stronger? Yes, will you do nothing without it? No.

HA...play a Nightblade for a few weeks and then go crawling back to your templar. I love NB, but it is far less noob friendly than Templar. And as we can see from this post, you need noob friendly.

i have 12k-14k single target dps and i literally cannot kill ***

stonerskate109

I use:
Swords - willpower (vr16)
4 pieces martial knowledge (vr14)
2 pieces adroitness (clothes) (vr12)
2 bands cyrodiils light (vr14)
Necklace - willpower (vr16)
Then all kuta spell damage enchants on the jewelry

Treasure_Goblin

notimetocare wrote: »

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i'll add some screenshots shortly

edit: gotta get the update...

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