Disappointed in Radiant Magelight

Crypticarsenal · July 2015

To the original poster its because you are misunderstanding the skill and how sneak/cloak works. Radiant Magelight only works for sneaking targets, not cloaked/invis. The damage reduction is for attacks from sneak, not cloak/invis. My suggestion would be to practice breaking CC. The faster you get into the hang of that then the faster you can use your defensive spells... which you should have in pvp.

There are still ways to counter magicka nightblade with out causing too many problems. I personally think its fine as it is but I am also a magicka nightblade....... which also uses radiant magelight. I hunt other stealthers. And let me tell you, the magicka nightblade is not invincible, yes they can run around cloaked with enough magicka regen but if you want to pop a cloaking nb then go spec an aoe or gap closer, catch them with piercing mark and hope they dont have purge slotted or slot a root..... then problem solved.

When 1.7 comes the gap closer will no longer work but the others should.

This spell is fine as it is, however even if they increased the range it wouldn't fix your problem... it would make it easier for you to find stamina night blades or other classes using sneak yes, but your problem is with a magicka nightblade.... well and the fact that you do not know how to use radiant magelight or understand the mechanics of the skill.

TheFamousMockingbird · July 2015

They need to fix the tool tip on Radiant Magelight. It is pretty specific that it reveals stealthed and invisible enemies.

I haven't given up on it, still too useful to go without. I also discovered scorching flare to be awesome when you know where your NB foe is near abouts.

Crypticarsenal · July 2015

Maybe they need to explain what it means.. sneak, stealth, cloak, invis. They are not all the same.

The way i understand it is sneak is when you are crouched, eye open or not. You can still be seen if the eye is open. Stealth is when your in sneak mode but your eye is fully closed saying hidden. Cloak is from the cloaking skill, invis is from the potion i believe, not sure if there are skills for invis as i only play nightblade and haven't noticed any.

I cant see people who cloak when using radiant magelight and I can get away easy when i use cloak around someone else using radiant magelight, I can however see everyone else in sneak/stealth mode tho. Not sure about invis potion.

Edit: I know the tooltip for cloak says it makes you invisible and the tooltip for Radiant Magelight says you can see invisible but i dont see it working that way. But honestly seeing all the buggy skills for Nightblade i wouldnt doubt if this one is bugged also.

Xael · July 2015

Radiant Magelight sees both invisible and stealth.
Cloak is an invis, just like the potions that do essentially the same thing.
RML can see both. The only difference is range which will be based on Racial/Medium Armor and set bonuses.

ToRelax · July 2015

Xael wrote: »

Radiant Magelight sees both invisible and stealth.
Cloak is an invis, just like the potions that do essentially the same thing.
RML can see both. The only difference is range which will be based on Racial/Medium Armor and set bonuses.

Well it is true that all the things that grant invisibility work different. But yes, if nothing changed in 1.6, Radiant Magelight works against them.

Hootnannius · July 2015

How can you damage enemies who are stealthed? Isn't the enemy gonna be out of stealth if you're able to see and aim at him? This is in refernce to the sentry set bonus.

Xeniph · July 2015

For clarification:

"The mote also reveals hidden or invisible enemies, prevents being stunned by stealth attacks, and reduces damage from stealth attacks by 55% for you and nearby allies.

It does not prevent stuns from an attack that has such an effect from Invisibility. Like Concealed Weapon, Surprise Attack or Incapacitating Strike (assuming the conditions are met and they are not in stealth (Ie.. Crouch).

It can be a bit confusing if you don't know difference between states.

And to answer Hoot's question. An enemy crouching, albeit "revealed" is still considered in stealth.

Wreuntzylla · July 2015

There was a time when RML did not work below level IV or at least for particular levels of the skill. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but bugs come back in this game like in no other game. Just to be safe, level your RML to max.

Xael · July 2015

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

There was a time when RML did not work below level IV or at least for particular levels of the skill. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but bugs come back in this game like in no other game. Just to be safe, level your RML to max.

I recorded footage Friday night using rank 1 and it worked fine.

Sharee · July 2015

Xael wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

There was a time when RML did not work below level IV or at least for particular levels of the skill. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but bugs come back in this game like in no other game. Just to be safe, level your RML to max.

I recorded footage Friday night using rank 1 and it worked fine.

The issue is this: Radiant magelight does not just affect you, it affect allies in it's radius (reduced damage from stealthed attacks).

If you and your ally next to you both have RML active, but yours is at a higher level than his, then your RML will override his (because yours is better). His RML effect is removed from him, and replaced by yours. Unfortunately when he leaves the radius at which he gets your RML, his own does not automatically 'kick in' again. He still has the ball graphic, but it does not work, and worse it cannot be even removed/reactivated(pushing the button does nothing). He has to relog to make it work again, and it will fail again as soon as he gets close to you once more.

That is the reason people say you have to level RML to 4 - that way no-one will override it anymore.

Xael · July 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

There was a time when RML did not work below level IV or at least for particular levels of the skill. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but bugs come back in this game like in no other game. Just to be safe, level your RML to max.

I recorded footage Friday night using rank 1 and it worked fine.

The issue is this: Radiant magelight does not just affect you, it affect allies in it's radius (reduced damage from stealthed attacks).

If you and your ally next to you both have RML active, but yours is at a higher level than his, then your RML will override his (because yours is better). His RML effect is removed from him, and replaced by yours. Unfortunately when he leaves the radius at which he gets your RML, his own does not automatically 'kick in' again. He still has the ball graphic, but it does not work, and worse it cannot be even removed/reactivated(pushing the button does nothing). He has to relog to make it work again, and it will fail again as soon as he gets close to you once more.

That is the reason people say you have to level RML to 4 - that way no-one will override it anymore.

Even if that is true, it's no reason to not use the skill (not saying you advocate this). Luckily I am never happy with skills staying at rank1 and always max them out. Probably why I never have this issue.

Sharee · July 2015

Xael wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

There was a time when RML did not work below level IV or at least for particular levels of the skill. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but bugs come back in this game like in no other game. Just to be safe, level your RML to max.

I recorded footage Friday night using rank 1 and it worked fine.

The issue is this: Radiant magelight does not just affect you, it affect allies in it's radius (reduced damage from stealthed attacks).

If you and your ally next to you both have RML active, but yours is at a higher level than his, then your RML will override his (because yours is better). His RML effect is removed from him, and replaced by yours. Unfortunately when he leaves the radius at which he gets your RML, his own does not automatically 'kick in' again. He still has the ball graphic, but it does not work, and worse it cannot be even removed/reactivated(pushing the button does nothing). He has to relog to make it work again, and it will fail again as soon as he gets close to you once more.

That is the reason people say you have to level RML to 4 - that way no-one will override it anymore.

Even if that is true, it's no reason to not use the skill (not saying you advocate this). Luckily I am never happy with skills staying at rank1 and always max them out. Probably why I never have this issue.

Yea it is still good, but you have to be constantly aware of the bug.

Problem is, when you get affected(move close to someone with a higher level RML for a second), your own RML stops working, but you get absolutely no feedback that this happened. The button is still depressed/active on your quickbar, the ball is still orbiting you, only way you will ever know it isn't working is trying to toggle it off (it won't go away).

So most of the time youll just happily keep playing thinking you are safe from sneak bonus damage/can see stealthers when in reality you can't...

... and on a related note, i wonder how many of the people who think magelight sucks("he was directly in front of me and disappeared!") in fact never had it active in the first place.

Erock25 · July 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/138482/radiant-magelight-bugs#latest

My topic from Nov 2014 with a ZOS answer that they were trying to fix it. It is ridiculous that they haven;t.

Cathexis · July 2015

tonemd wrote: »

Whatever recent change they made to stealth makes Radiant Mageleight completely useless unless you practically have your balls on the enemy's back..

I stick my balls on the back of every nightblade who jumps me and then dies horribly ^_^

Vizier · July 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

RML shouldn't see cloaked NB IMO anyway. NB spends a ton of Magicka for 2.9 seconds. Cloak should trump detection methods for the duration...In this case I'm glad it's borked.

In other words: If a NB invests a bit into magicka regen & cost reduction, it is supposed to be invincible because all the less clever players who did not invest into magicka to use magicka skills effectively shouldn't suffer. Makes sense.

Ya, pretty much. It's a burst of magicka for 2.9 second invisibility going against a paltry amount of magicka for RML constant reveal. I think it's a fair trade off.

Vizier · July 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Give me 10m radius skill that negates shields, halves healing and prevents Bolt Escape.

Thank you.

You don't see the difference between someone being completely invisible and someone being 15m away do you? Aww isn't that special.

Not completely invisible if they are CC, have negative effects, are taking damage, revealed by detection potion, flare, and, and and. What exactly stops BE? Tap it twice and you're out of any danger from immediate attack. For good magicka regen characters they can always BE just enough and apply stacked shields. Try acting like all it does is move you 15ft. lol. Gawd, here we go again.

At the moment BE has far more utility with AOE stun, absorb missiles, reduced from stealth damage taken, speed, positional advantage.

Crypticarsenal · July 2015

Xael wrote: »

Radiant Magelight sees both invisible and stealth.
Cloak is an invis, just like the potions that do essentially the same thing.
RML can see both. The only difference is range which will be based on Racial/Medium Armor and set bonuses.

You mean its "supposed" to see both invisible and stealth.

At the moment it doesn't do that even if they cloak and I am right on top of them, I still cant see them until cloak wears off. I have even thought about removing it completely from my hot bar and replacing it with piercing mark because its basically useless for anyone cloaking. This skill along with many others in this game is so bugged its not even funny.

Cathexis · July 2015

Use caltrops, get results.

Anyone who tells you to use rml is a nightblade.