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With 50% shield reduction, will anyone use Blazing Shield?

Vynist
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Blazing Shield is currently 26% in PvP. Does this mean it will now be 13%? Thoughts? Ideas? Questions? Concerns? Praise? Worries?

Please discuss civilly :)
  • Iselin
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    There is also a 50% damage reduction and 50% healing reduction... isn't it a wash?

    And while we're at it.... a 50% resource cost reduction would also be very nice. Why stop with damage, shields and healing?
  • blabafat
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    Blazing shield will be so bad lol. Most people have 20-25K health as templars. so thats like..3-4K Blazing? RIP Templar
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  • Sentinel
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    A 3-4k shield to combat a 4k Wrecking Blow. Is that much different than a 6-8k shield to combat a 8k Wrecking blow? How is it any worse off compared to everyone else?
  • Cinbri
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    Bastion passive will become useless
  • Vynist
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    blabafat wrote: »
    Blazing shield will be so bad lol. Most people have 20-25K health as templars. so thats like..3-4K Blazing? RIP Templar

    I fear for Templars :( Magicka Templars 4 Lyfe though? Or is this the time to find a good stamplar build? lol
    Sentinel wrote: »
    A 3-4k shield to combat a 4k Wrecking Blow. Is that much different than a 6-8k shield to combat a 8k Wrecking blow? How is it any worse off compared to everyone else?

    You do realize that in order to have a 4k Blazing Shield (if it it's changed to 13%), we would need over 30k health? Not many people outside of tanks have health this high.

    Also, I currently hit and get hit much harder with Wrecking Blow than 8k, and I wear 2 heavy with S&B.
    Cinbri wrote: »
    Bastion passive will become useless

    On my Templar, I put every points I could into Bastion and it ended up boosting Blazing Shield by like 4% lulz.
    Edited by Vynist on 3 July 2015 15:14
  • Vynist
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    *double post*
    Edited by Vynist on 3 July 2015 15:13
  • Vynist
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    /bump for discussion
  • Samadhi
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    Templar probably gets hit hardest by this change, though some would have you presume it were Sorcs.

    The fact that damage is also being reduced by 50% across the board balances out most Damage Shields against the reduction.

    Blazing Shield however is less about having a huge portion of Damage Mitigation and more about keeping pressure on Melee targets when the shield explodes.

    Blazing Shield gets nerfed by the 50% reduction to shields, though this is counterbalanced in terms of shield effectiveness, this value reduction will also reduce the damage of Blazing Shield's explosion (which is based on the damage done to the shield).
    Blazing Shield also gets nerfed by the 50% reduction in damage making the explosion even less powerful.

    Outlook not good.
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Players still gonna use it like sorcs still gonna use BE cause that's all they know how to do.
  • Vynist
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    Samadhi wrote: »
    Templar probably gets hit hardest by this change, though some would have you presume it were Sorcs.

    The fact that damage is also being reduced by 50% across the board balances out most Damage Shields against the reduction.

    Blazing Shield however is less about having a huge portion of Damage Mitigation and more about keeping pressure on Melee targets when the shield explodes.

    Blazing Shield gets nerfed by the 50% reduction to shields, though this is counterbalanced in terms of shield effectiveness, this value reduction will also reduce the damage of Blazing Shield's explosion (which is based on the damage done to the shield).
    Blazing Shield also gets nerfed by the 50% reduction in damage making the explosion even less powerful.

    Outlook not good.

    You make an excellent point. If this nerf is applied to Blazing Shield, it reduces the survivability aspect of Templars (less shields) but also the DPS of Templars (less damage from Blazing shield).

    *ouch*
  • NotSo
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    Look at it this way, blazing shield was holding off 1-2 attacks before shield nerf, it will still hold off 1-2 attacks after shield nerf. Everybody who was spamming bubbles to stay alive in the first place will be spamming them just as often, you will just have twice as much hp to fall back on, i.e. you won't be dying to wierd lag combos as often.
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  • Zsymon
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    Blazing Shield isn't nerfed by 50%.. compared to the damage you'll be taking, it will be exactly the same as before.
  • timidobserver
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    blabafat wrote: »
    Blazing shield will be so bad lol. Most people have 20-25K health as templars. so thats like..3-4K Blazing? RIP Templar

    Yeh, it is a pretty bad decision. Blazing Shield is nowhere near as powerful as hardened ward and should not be getting an identical nerf.
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  • Vynist
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    Players still gonna use it like sorcs still gonna use BE cause that's all they know how to do.

    I agree. The older players will use it out of habit. The newer players will see no reason to use such a small shield.
  • Vynist
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    NotSo wrote: »
    Look at it this way, blazing shield was holding off 1-2 attacks before shield nerf, it will still hold off 1-2 attacks after shield nerf. Everybody who was spamming bubbles to stay alive in the first place will be spamming them just as often, you will just have twice as much hp to fall back on, i.e. you won't be dying to wierd lag combos as often.

    I think the biggest thing is that it is based off max HP conjoined with the fact that it did damage based on the size of the shield. All in all, a smaller shield means smaller damage, doesn't matter if the relative values are the same. Still a nerf.
  • iamnotweakrwb17_ESO
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    NotSo wrote: »
    Look at it this way, blazing shield was holding off 1-2 attacks before shield nerf, it will still hold off 1-2 attacks after shield nerf. Everybody who was spamming bubbles to stay alive in the first place will be spamming them just as often, you will just have twice as much hp to fall back on, i.e. you won't be dying to wierd lag combos as often.

    Finally, someone who gets it lol. Been reading page after page of all these knee jerk responses.
  • Dracane
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    Damage shields are nerfed by 35%. They are already nerfed by 15%, and another 35% is added. Blazing shield will be just as strong as it is now. But numbers in Cyrodiil will be muuuch smaller now. Everything will stay the same, except for that each noob can survive now, because nobody will deal any damage (that's exaggerated of course) but still. I don't want to spend 5 minutes or more killing a person that is clearly inferior to me, but survives because damage is mitgated so heavily now.

    I hated this about pre 1.6. Since 1.6, fights are finally quick and cool. I was so tired of them 10 minutes fights. And now it's coming back, not in the mood for that,
    Edited by Dracane on 3 July 2015 16:49
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  • NotSo
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    I didn't know anybody was using it exclusively for damage, I always looked at it as an added bonus. I mean, it's really there to help HoT effects anyways. And since it scales with max hp, stamina builds can use it just as well as magicka builds. Which is not true for hardened ward.
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  • Vynist
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    Some people are missing the point:

    We all understand that EVERYTHING is being cut by 50%. So the damage-to-shield ratio is the same. We get that.

    The biggest thing is that Blazing Shield was both a defensive ability and an offensive one (good defense is a good offensive shield).

    THIS is what is receiving the big nerf. Blazing shield is a small shield relatively to begin with. An even smaller shield will mean even smaller damage.
  • Sentinel
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    @Vynist I don't have a templar, but wouldn't the damage output be halved from it as well? I would imagine the 50% is taken off of the tooltip shield and damage, halfing both. If it doesn't half the damage but does less, could you please explain?
  • Vynist
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    Sentinel wrote: »
    @Vynist I don't have a templar, but wouldn't the damage output be halved from it as well? I would imagine the 50% is taken off of the tooltip shield and damage, halfing both. If it doesn't half the damage but does less, could you please explain?

    You bring up a very interesting point! The new PvP update means 50% less shield. So, Blazing Shield will be 50% less effective. This also means the reflected damage from Blazing Shield will be 50% less.

    So far: Blazing Shield does 50% less damage due to shield being 50% less.

    Here it gets interesting: Damage output is 50% less. Does this mean the damage coming from Blazing Shield is also 50% less?

    Does this mean the damage from Blazing Shield will be 25% of the current values?

    What do you think @blabafat ?
  • bertenburnyb16_ESO
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    So the shield will be 50% less, so the damage it does will also be halved
    And then their also reducing all damage by 50%

    So it will be double nerfed or what?
    Edited by bertenburnyb16_ESO on 3 July 2015 20:31
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  • Durham
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    They are testing these changes... Nothing is in stone.... They are just communicating with us ...which is what we should commend them for...That has been the most frustrating thing in this game is communication.... However as soon as they do the flames start rolling....Beginning to understand why they don't bother to communicate lol... They are across the board meeting pvp so players are not installed killed unless they roll up in a giant ball....
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  • eliisra
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    NotSo wrote: »
    Look at it this way, blazing shield was holding off 1-2 attacks before shield nerf, it will still hold off 1-2 attacks after shield nerf. Everybody who was spamming bubbles to stay alive in the first place will be spamming them just as often, you will just have twice as much hp to fall back on, i.e. you won't be dying to wierd lag combos as often.

    Blazing Shield doesn't even hold of 1attacker in 1.6 (unless you're the emperor or something with 40k health).

    The explosion is like 2k on nirnhoned. Terrifying dmg right. You can ignore Blazing Shield on your average templar and burn him down anyway. Any mediocre HoT will outheal it.

    So imagine the explosion after a 50% overall dmg reduction and a 35% weaker shield, next patch. There will be nothing offensive about Blazing Shield what so ever.

    Majority of templars aren't even using Blazing Shield offensively in PvP, because focusing that much on health turns you into a vegetable. They use it as only option defensively to absorbs physical dmg/prevent crits from physical dmg and snipers etc, since Annulment only helps against spell dmg.

    But I'm not going to drama queen about it being useless next patch or anything. Because who knows, maybe a 3k baby shield that explodes for same amount of dmg as a light attack, will be useful somehow. Not being sarcastic or anything, I truly have no clue lol.
  • Vynist
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    Speaking of communication, hopefully ZoS can clarify some of these concerns.
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    I do think with this change, if they're going to make the Templar shield weaker than it already is, they might consider upping the duration on it, or lowering its magicka cost. All other class shields last significantly longer than the Templar shield, presumably because it is scaled off of health. Since the actual value of the Shield is worth a light attack, may as well let it linger or drop the cost.
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  • timidobserver
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    Vynist wrote: »
    Players still gonna use it like sorcs still gonna use BE cause that's all they know how to do.

    I agree. The older players will use it out of habit. The newer players will see no reason to use such a small shield.

    What else are they going to use? Templar don't exactly have defensive skills growing out of everywhere like some other classes. For defensive purposes, as far as class skills go, you are either going to use breath of life(50% nerfed) or blazing shield(50% nerfed.)
    Edited by timidobserver on 4 July 2015 02:16
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  • lathbury
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    other classes have abities that on paper would get a double nerf hopefully they looked into this. funnel health being an example
  • hammayolettuce
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    Zsymon wrote: »
    Blazing Shield isn't nerfed by 50%.. compared to the damage you'll be taking, it will be exactly the same as before.

    smaller shield means even less dmg it puts out. Its not going to be very useful at all now.
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  • RazzPitazz
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    So you do reaLize there will be a corresponding reduction to both damage and healing as well? That means that everything will be just as useful as before on the scale. It also means the fights will take longer, You will have to actually manage when you use these skills especially since there were no words on cost reduction.
    And I am pretty certain this is exclusive to Cyrodil.
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