grimsfield wrote: »great post. I agree, scoring is screwed up. To make deaths mean almost nothing is just dumb. How can you say a 60 minute run with 1 death is worth less than 59 minute run with 10 deaths. Makes no sense.
If any dev is reading this, lets be clear. Your scoring system is stupid.
Time = [7200 - [(Score - 2050)/2.05]]
Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050]
Paulington wrote: »In that case, we can predict what time is required for what score and vice versa, as follows with time in seconds:Time = [7200 - [(Score - 2050)/2.05]]Score = [2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050]
I just tested this with my recorded runs and it fits perfectly. Of course both of these equations are only valid for T >= 7200 but that's besides the point.
Funny how ZOS never wanted to tell us how scoring is determined, it turns out that it's because it is ridiculously simple and only cares about run speed!
Paulington wrote: »In that case, we can predict what time is required for what score and vice versa, as follows with time in seconds:Time = [7200 - [(Score - 2050)/2.05]]Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050]
I just tested this with my recorded runs and it fits perfectly. Of course both of these equations are only valid for T >= 7200 but that's besides the point.
Funny how ZOS never wanted to tell us how scoring is determined, it turns out that it's because it is ridiculously simple and only cares about run speed!
Estimated Score = ( (time limit - current time) * (points earned / 1000) ) + points earned
If you successfully finish trial, score can't be less then points earned / 100 (in case of DSA it is 20 points).
Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050].
Paulington wrote: »Paulington wrote: »In that case, we can predict what time is required for what score and vice versa, as follows with time in seconds:Time = [7200 - [(Score - 2050)/2.05]]Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050]
I just tested this with my recorded runs and it fits perfectly. Of course both of these equations are only valid for T >= 7200 but that's besides the point.
Funny how ZOS never wanted to tell us how scoring is determined, it turns out that it's because it is ridiculously simple and only cares about run speed!
Estimated Score = ( (time limit - current time) * (points earned / 1000) ) + points earned
If you successfully finish trial, score can't be less then points earned / 100 (in case of DSA it is 20 points).
Your equation doesn't work.
Take a hypothetical run of 1h32m time and a score of 5,500.
Estimated score = ((7200 - 5520) x (5500/1000)) + 5500 = 14,740. That's obviously incorrect.
Try my equation:
Score = [-2.05 x (5520 - 7200) + 2050] = 5,494.
Unless of course you've gotten something wrong or I have misinterpreted. Of course my equation is only valid for times <= 7200 and I am okay with that, after t=7200 score drops off dramatically down to the minimum of 20, as you said. People wanting to predict time required/score will be finishing under two hours anyway so the equation works just fine for them.
Also, I missed out a minus! The equation for score is actually:Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050].
Paulington wrote: »Paulington wrote: »In that case, we can predict what time is required for what score and vice versa, as follows with time in seconds:Time = [7200 - [(Score - 2050)/2.05]]Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050]
I just tested this with my recorded runs and it fits perfectly. Of course both of these equations are only valid for T >= 7200 but that's besides the point.
Funny how ZOS never wanted to tell us how scoring is determined, it turns out that it's because it is ridiculously simple and only cares about run speed!
Estimated Score = ( (time limit - current time) * (points earned / 1000) ) + points earned
If you successfully finish trial, score can't be less then points earned / 100 (in case of DSA it is 20 points).
Your equation doesn't work.
Take a hypothetical run of 1h32m time and a score of 5,500.
Estimated score = ((7200 - 5520) x (5500/1000)) + 5500 = 14,740. That's obviously incorrect.
Try my equation:
Score = [-2.05 x (5520 - 7200) + 2050] = 5,494.
Unless of course you've gotten something wrong or I have misinterpreted. Of course my equation is only valid for times <= 7200 and I am okay with that, after t=7200 score drops off dramatically down to the minimum of 20, as you said. People wanting to predict time required/score will be finishing under two hours anyway so the equation works just fine for them.
Also, I missed out a minus! The equation for score is actually:Score = [-2.05 x (Time - 7200) + 2050].
My "points earned" are "raid points" from finishing stages and killing mobs, it is not raid score. It means 10x 200 + 50 for killing final boss = 2050:
Estimated Score = ((7200 - 5520) x (2050/1000)) + 2050 = 5494.
I wanted to make formula applicable to all trials, not just to DSA. That's why I have used raid points / 1000 instead of just 2.05.
I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I can add it to the RaidTimer, but just for DSA and AA, I do not have numbers for Hel Ra and Sanctum Ophidia.
I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I can add it to the RaidTimer, but just for DSA and AA, I do not have numbers for Hel Ra and Sanctum Ophidia.
I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I can add it to the RaidTimer, but just for DSA and AA, I do not have numbers for Hel Ra and Sanctum Ophidia.
I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I can add it to the RaidTimer, but just for DSA and AA, I do not have numbers for Hel Ra and Sanctum Ophidia.
Oh yes. This would be great... And a function where you can put the score in you wants and a timer runs down...
I already hear the screamings in TS "FAAAAASTTER!! MORE DAMAAAAGE!!!"
xMovingTarget wrote: »I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I can add it to the RaidTimer, but just for DSA and AA, I do not have numbers for Hel Ra and Sanctum Ophidia.
Oh yes. This would be great... And a function where you can put the score in you wants and a timer runs down...
I already hear the screamings in TS "FAAAAASTTER!! MORE DAMAAAAGE!!!"
Raidlead should scream that anyway But you need to add NOOOOOOOBS after DAMAAAAGE.
Good old times @The_Saint
xMovingTarget wrote: »I have a curious question: are you working on an addon, which shows us our final score in live during a raid based on our time?
What idea I have is for example: when we enter DSA, we see our clean time and under this the MAX point, what we can earn with 0 minute inside and this point score will be counting down based on time spent in the DSA , score updated like in every 10 seconds, during the last 2 stages in all seconds.
I can add it to the RaidTimer, but just for DSA and AA, I do not have numbers for Hel Ra and Sanctum Ophidia.
Oh yes. This would be great... And a function where you can put the score in you wants and a timer runs down...
I already hear the screamings in TS "FAAAAASTTER!! MORE DAMAAAAGE!!!"
Raidlead should scream that anyway But you need to add NOOOOOOOBS after DAMAAAAGE.
Good old times @The_Saint
Kacknoob you mean^^
Tonight I'm going to test modified version of RaidTimer in DSA (it's a weekly...)
As I don't like huge numbers, I have used this formula to get estimated final score:
(((time limit - elapsed time) * (current score / 1000)) + current score) + (((time limit - elapsed time) * (max score / 1000)) + max score) / 2
Lets say that you have just finished 5th stage, each stage was 6 minutes:
(((7200 - 5*6*60) * (5*200 / 1000)) + 5*200) + (((7200 - 5*6*60) * (2050 / 1000)) + 2050) / 2 = (6400 + 13120) / 2 = 9760
If you finish DSA and each stage was completed in 6 minutes:
((7200 - 10*6*60) * (2050 / 1000)) + 2050 = 9430
Its not 100% accurate, but it is the best what I could think of to get estimated final score at any time during the trial.
silentgecko wrote: »Further Times from us:
61min 10 sek: 9286 Points
115min 31sek 2600 Points
Other Score i know:
52min 30sek: 10351
For Hel Ra / Sanctum:
I think in Hel Ra the timelimit is 30 Mins. And the Final Score is round about 6880 i think (was our last one). You get more Points in final when you kill all Gargoyles and stuff.
And i think for Sanctum it is 45 / 50 Mins. Don't know the Final Score yet, but will watch my recent streams to find out
Edit: Final Score for killing everything in Sanctum is 10.525 Points.
local timeLimits = { [0] = 0, --none [1] = 0, --Hel Ra Citadel [2] = 1200, --Aetherian Archive [3] = 0, --Sanctum Ophidia [4] = 7200, --Dragonstar Arena (Veteran) } local raidPoints = { [0] = 0, --none [1] = 0, --Hel Ra Citadel [2] = 7300, --Aetherian Archive [3] = 0, --Sanctum Ophidia [4] = 2050, --Dragonstar Arena (Veteran) }