Can PvWhiners please stop complaining about sorcs....

Snit · March 2015

In the mid- to long-term, players vote on class balance by the classes they play. We all do kill quests, right? Think about those:

- "Enemy Players." Awesome! '/p Anyone need "kill all enemies" shared?
- Dragon Knights. Also awesome. Half of everyone out here is a DK
- Templars. There's tons of them, especially now. Some of them are a *** to kill, though
- Nightblades. OK. I can go gank the gankers near _______ bridge/ keep, but it may take a while
- Sorcerers. *!%#$. This will take forever

Sorcs are the least-played class in Cyrodiil, at veteran levels. If you're out there all day, you know that already. That's not a coincidence.

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Finally , no buffs, real or imagined, can make up for the HORRIFIC nerf to Critical Surge, which was the only thing keeping us alive during massive AOE pulls. Kinda funny how they nerfed our #1 grinding skill right when grinding is more important than ever thanks to the CP system!

I really don't know what you are talking about. I go grind upper Craglorn, solo, all the time on my sorc, including mini bosses. I find it easier than before because you can sustain a lot longer without just blowing your mana pool block-casting x ring with an elemental up in a pack of mobs. I think it is easier to grind UCL on my sorc than my dk, from personal experience.

cschwingeb14_ESO · March 2015

Lightning pool was buffed in duration, but nerfed in dps. This was a pve change that directly impacted PvP negatively.

technohic · March 2015

Snit wrote: »

In the mid- to long-term, players vote on class balance by the classes they play. We all do kill quests, right? Think about those:

- "Enemy Players." Awesome! '/p Anyone need "kill all enemies" shared?
- Dragon Knights. Also awesome. Half of everyone out here is a DK
- Templars. There's tons of them, especially now. Some of them are a *** to kill, though
- Nightblades. OK. I can go gank the gankers near _______ bridge/ keep, but it may take a while
- Sorcerers. *!%#$. This will take forever

Sorcs are the least-played class in Cyrodiil, at veteran levels. If you're out there all day, you know that already. That's not a coincidence.

I don't know man. I completed my Sorc one in one defense of Bleakers last night. Actually; maybe I am counting it as one defense but there were several waves.

Observant · March 2015

Snit wrote: »

In the mid- to long-term, players vote on class balance by the classes they play. We all do kill quests, right? Think about those:

- "Enemy Players." Awesome! '/p Anyone need "kill all enemies" shared?
- Dragon Knights. Also awesome. Half of everyone out here is a DK
- Templars. There's tons of them, especially now. Some of them are a *** to kill, though
- Nightblades. OK. I can go gank the gankers near _______ bridge/ keep, but it may take a while
- Sorcerers. *!%#$. This will take forever

Sorcs are the least-played class in Cyrodiil, at veteran levels. If you're out there all day, you know that already. That's not a coincidence.

I can't remember the last time I cared what kill quest I had, let alone where to go look (e.g. NB's) they all go so quick now!

cozmon3c_ESO · March 2015

Observant wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

In the mid- to long-term, players vote on class balance by the classes they play. We all do kill quests, right? Think about those:

- "Enemy Players." Awesome! '/p Anyone need "kill all enemies" shared?
- Dragon Knights. Also awesome. Half of everyone out here is a DK
- Templars. There's tons of them, especially now. Some of them are a *** to kill, though
- Nightblades. OK. I can go gank the gankers near _______ bridge/ keep, but it may take a while
- Sorcerers. *!%#$. This will take forever

Sorcs are the least-played class in Cyrodiil, at veteran levels. If you're out there all day, you know that already. That's not a coincidence.

I can't remember the last time I cared what kill quest I had, let alone where to go look (e.g. NB's) they all go so quick now!

your probably in a zerg group, the quests become trivial then.

if im running solo it takes me about 30-60minutes per quest, and yes the sorc one takes the longest, and im a sorc myself.

Snit · March 2015

Skafsgaard wrote: »

I can't remember the last time I cared what kill quest I had, let alone where to go look (e.g. NB's) they all go so quick now!

That's a good point. You won't notice a difference if you run in a large group, or if you play long hours. In either case, you'll finish all the dailies regardless. If you only have an hour or two, though, or if you tend to play in small groups, the differences are dramatic.

Joy_Division · March 2015

Snit wrote: »

In the mid- to long-term, players vote on class balance by the classes they play. We all do kill quests, right? Think about those:

- "Enemy Players." Awesome! '/p Anyone need "kill all enemies" shared?
- Dragon Knights. Also awesome. Half of everyone out here is a DK
- Templars. There's tons of them, especially now. Some of them are a *** to kill, though
- Nightblades. OK. I can go gank the gankers near _______ bridge/ keep, but it may take a while
- Sorcerers. *!%#$. This will take forever

Sorcs are the least-played class in Cyrodiil, at veteran levels. If you're out there all day, you know that already. That's not a coincidence.

It's even worse in Backwater Blade. Nobody wants that quest and is dropped like a hot potato in favor of anything else.

DisgracefulMind · March 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

In the mid- to long-term, players vote on class balance by the classes they play. We all do kill quests, right? Think about those:

- "Enemy Players." Awesome! '/p Anyone need "kill all enemies" shared?
- Dragon Knights. Also awesome. Half of everyone out here is a DK
- Templars. There's tons of them, especially now. Some of them are a *** to kill, though
- Nightblades. OK. I can go gank the gankers near _______ bridge/ keep, but it may take a while
- Sorcerers. *!%#$. This will take forever

Sorcs are the least-played class in Cyrodiil, at veteran levels. If you're out there all day, you know that already. That's not a coincidence.

I can't remember the last time I cared what kill quest I had, let alone where to go look (e.g. NB's) they all go so quick now!

your probably in a zerg group, the quests become trivial then.

if im running solo it takes me about 30-60minutes per quest, and yes the sorc one takes the longest, and im a sorc myself.

Sorc quests are the hardest earned. I enjoy them the most because it means there's some real hunting going down. >:D

k2blader · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

What is your spell damage at with that size of a magicka pool? Or about how much do you hit people for with shards or overload? Just curious because my setup is more for spell damage so while I can get in pretty good damage for my level, my magicka is depleted very quickly if I use BE on top of shields.

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

k2blader wrote: »

What is your spell damage at with that size of a magicka pool? Or about how much do you hit people for with shards or overload? Just curious because my setup is more for spell damage so while I can get in pretty good damage for my level, my magicka is depleted very quickly if I use BE on top of shields.

I'll give you exact numbers when the servers come back on if you want, but with my magicka pool at roughly 32k i have (if I can remember correctly) :

~1600 spell damage unbuffed
Shards hits for ~7.5k tooltip damage
Overload, not sure as I don't really use it often. I have used it with entropy (for empower) to get 17k crits though

As far as those numbers being good or not, I'm not sure. I wouldn't mind hearing from other sorcs and their opinions. My goal with my build is to be "all-around" I guess because I like to be able to play solo while also being effective with my group.

Kypho · March 2015

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

PvP can be balanced, maybe you are just ignorant OPness defender?

ZOS_ShannonM · March 2015

Hi, all. We are closing this thread because there is already a thread about this issue.
Keeping threads consolidated allows us to help players more efficiently and facilitates the visibility of different issues. We encourage you to head to that thread to continue your discussion.

ZOS_AlanG · March 2015

Hi guys, while there are some very constructive points in this thread, some of the comments are baity, as is the opening post. As such, we are locking this thread.

It is perfectly fine to discuss PvE versus PvP balancing needs, but please remember to keep criticism constructive and civil. As there already is an active and ongoing balance thread for Sorcerers, and additional discussion should take place in here