Can PvWhiners please stop complaining about sorcs....

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

DisgracefulMind

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Teargrants

Allow me to explain in eloquent terms.

PvE - 0 immersion
PvP - ALL TEH IMMERSHUNS!!1!

mortuusbae

I laughed ples go get someone banned for ruining your ERP sesison.

danno8

Wait, does this mean people are done complaining about RD?

Itoq

Please stop compaining about pvp'ers whining about sorcs being OP as the whining about the complaining leads to sorcs being very good in pvp, which is an important part of the game.

Draxys

lol go away, literally no one is complaining about Sorcs being op in 1.6

Fatalyis

Yes, please stop complaining about sorcs....they are in a good place right now as my main source of AP points....

Pancake-Tragedy

AltusVenifus

Bolt Escape needs to be a targeted skill, 10k shields need to be about 4 k... Then buff their damage...

Teargrants

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Bolt Escape needs to be a targeted skill, 10k shields need to be about 4 k... Then buff their damage...

So the one skill in the game that specifically has 'escape' in its name should become a targeted gap closer, making it the exact opposite of an 'escape'. Truly insightful, I see you put a lot of thought into that one. And shields need to be nerfed another 60% because God forbid it takes you 2 hits instead of one to get through the shield.

Lava_Croft

Good Sorcerers from 1.5 are absolutely overpowered in 1.6. Crap Sorcerers will just remain crap Sorcerers, no matter how many threads they create.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Good Sorcerers from 1.5 are absolutely overpowered in 1.6. Crap Sorcerers will just remain crap Sorcerers, no matter how many threads they create.

Good PvPers are always going to be overpowered while crap PvPers will just remain crappy, no matter how much they whine about nerfs on the forums

Spangla

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Skafsgaard

Im not a sorc nor do I have one (well a lvl 3 bank alt..) but my impression (while taking everything else into account of the changes) is that sorc has come out on top from this patch. Talking classes here, not magicka/stamina. At least to me, they feel strong when I fight them and I basically have to dedicate 3-4 skills (depending on setup and mood) specifically for anti sorc or Im dead in 2 sec. Some of those slotted skills can be of use against other classses - but would survive or put up a fight without them. On the contrary I have one NB skill (immovable) and zero skills for specifically templar and DK.

So from the perspective from a magicka templar - you sorcs got a pretty sweet deal, yes I have my beam and I kill scrubs, its not a fun ability and in any kind of meaningful PvP it's *** and I'd trade it 10 times over for Blinding Flashes back, lol.

edit:
Do you as sorc really feel so weak in PvP? I mean with the softcaps gone and the insanely low TTK, it seems like cyro is now every sorc play ground. Sure they would bunnyhop and fly around before 1.6 as try to lure me, but they would never be able to get the kill alone (had an encounter once, where a sorc ganked some scrubs, I chase sorc away - a good long time. Now I get bored and start to return, sorc come in and we fight, sorc cannot kill me and escapes again - this goes on for 5-10 mins and now we're pretty far off the map. I realize it's not a bad sorc and I'll not be able to DPS him enough in current setup so I start to return walking. I walk for 5 mins or smth with sorc desparetly attacking, all I do is keep up my rotation and resto heavy attack, cos I cba to waste pot, lol I like that moment in cyrodiil - had a fun chat after too! Now it seems sorc is pretty much the only class viable as magicka build in cyro - unless u want to be reduced to a healbot with a vigor for a stamina dump.. Now if I see a sorc I need to make sure at least 1 - 2 guys is in the area or im simply just disengaging.

AltusVenifus

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Bolt Escape needs to be a targeted skill, 10k shields need to be about 4 k... Then buff their damage...

So the one skill in the game that specifically has 'escape' in its name should become a targeted gap closer, making it the exact opposite of an 'escape'. Truly insightful, I see you put a lot of thought into that one. And shields need to be nerfed another 60% because God forbid it takes you 2 hits instead of one to get through the shield.

I meant to say Bolt escape needs to go or shields need to be reduced to 4k.

On an average night my sorc VR3 dies maybe 4-5 times. My VR14 NB dies 5x that amount. Can you guess the reason why? I'm not saying it is a god button, but the only time u should die as a sorc is if u get too aggressive or lose your situational awareness. I'm sorry you love the skill, fact remains it needs to go and eventually will.

Also thank you for calling me truly insightful, I'm surprised a 8 year old knows such big words... good on ya

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO

Why are people complaining sorcs are OP now lol!

technohic

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

Why are people complaining sorcs are OP now lol!

Haven't really see it much. Mostly just se PvEers whining really; because they think that PvE doesn't have to be balanced.

sKorcheD

Lord_Bidr

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Good Sorcerers from 1.5 are absolutely overpowered in 1.6. Crap Sorcerers will just remain crap Sorcerers, no matter how many threads they create.

Good PvPers are always going to be overpowered while crap PvPers will just remain crappy, no matter how much they whine about nerfs on the forums

Wise words indeed.

Pancake-Tragedy

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Bolt Escape needs to be a targeted skill, 10k shields need to be about 4 k... Then buff their damage...

So the one skill in the game that specifically has 'escape' in its name should become a targeted gap closer, making it the exact opposite of an 'escape'. Truly insightful, I see you put a lot of thought into that one. And shields need to be nerfed another 60% because God forbid it takes you 2 hits instead of one to get through the shield.

I meant to say Bolt escape needs to go or shields need to be reduced to 4k.

On an average night my sorc VR3 dies maybe 4-5 times. My VR14 NB dies 5x that amount. Can you guess the reason why? I'm not saying it is a god button, but the only time u should die as a sorc is if u get too aggressive or lose your situational awareness. I'm sorry you love the skill, fact remains it needs to go and eventually will.

Also thank you for calling me truly insightful, I'm surprised a 8 year old knows such big words... good on ya

Give sorcs a form of in-combat sustain and I'll agree

eliisra

technohic wrote: »

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

Why are people complaining sorcs are OP now lol!

Haven't really see it much. Mostly just se PvEers whining really; because they think that PvE doesn't have to be balanced.

Yet PvE'ers whine just as much about balance, when it affects their own activities. Fact that one class or build does 1% more dps is totally outrageous and needs to be balanced now or all sorcerers will raqequit, game is dying, everyone is forced to re-roll blah blah.

Still, it''s always the PvP'ers getting the blame from the simpleton forum militia, when ZoS starts messing around with skills. I dont get it. There's probably 50 new threads a week, where players cry about PvE dps. Many changes to builds and skills are also connected to PvE performance.

Pancake-Tragedy

Spangla wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

Draxys

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Good Sorcerers from 1.5 are absolutely overpowered in 1.6. Crap Sorcerers will just remain crap Sorcerers, no matter how many threads they create.

Good PvPers are always going to be overpowered while crap PvPers will just remain crappy, no matter how much they whine about nerfs on the forums

^

Skafsgaard

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

Yes, it must be nice to have a damage shield scale of your primary DPS resources...If they gonna give sorc a shield, make it scale with health so it's a 'tanking' option, this choice baffles me to no end - and I agree, that a lot of stuff about sorc esp is not because of specific class buffs, but rather a big change to the whole setup, and now with insanely low TTK an effective spammable escape seems to be what all need in cryo (who are not stam based). In 6 months, roll dodge is the new BE

TheBull

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

To be fair.

Curse was buffed a lot 20% or more if I recall.
Shards cast time was reduced by about 40%.
Overload gcd was reduced.
Lightning splash duration was buffed.
Winged Twilight was given a huge heal.
Mines damage was increased.

I could be missing a couple too...

Pancake-Tragedy

TheBull wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

To be fair.

Curse was buffed a lot 20% or more if I recall.
Meh, curse isn't going to kill anyone. Not to mention this skill is blockable now.
Shards cast time was reduced by about 40%.
Sure this is a buff, along with the 20% damage increase when the insta-cast procs, but hard-casting frags is dumb.
Overload gcd was reduced.
Overload GCD was re-introduced with the 50% damage increase. Sure still a buff, I'll accept that.
Lightning splash duration was buffed.
This was a buff for the PvE'rs and is still lack-luster in PvP. It has its uses but it is very underwhelming.
Winged Twilight was given a huge heal.
It was the clannfear that got the heal-on-decast/death buff, but it also has a 1.3 sec cast time now.
Mines damage was increased.
K. But this skill relies on player ignorance to be effective.

I could be missing a couple too...

See bolded.

DisgracefulMind

It's not like Sorcs haven't been using Bolt Escape for the entirety of the game thus far lol. You people just WANT something to *** about, so you're bitching.

Emma_Overload

TheBull wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

To be fair.

Curse was buffed a lot 20% or more if I recall.
Shards cast time was reduced by about 40%.
Overload gcd was reduced.
Lightning splash duration was buffed.
Winged Twilight was given a huge heal.
Mines damage was increased.

I could be missing a couple too...

Lightning Splash is indeed more useful now, but the rest...ugh.

Overload GCD was later UNreduced, but it doesn't even matter because Ultimate generation is so low now that there is no point to slotting anything but Meteor for the passive.

What PvP whiners don't understand about Overload is that the Sorc that killed you with it got killed 5 times himself while he was doing God-knows-what trying to get his Ultimate recharged. In PvE, Overload was always gimmicky and just for fun, and that hasn't changed at all. You can't design a DPS build around it because of the Ultimate issues.

Furthermore, you lose ALL your weapon passives when you're in Overload mode, so you can kiss the extra mitigation bonus from Sword & Board goodbye.

Crystal Shard sucks because you can't block cast it, which is a death sentence if you're wearing Light Armor. The only gear set that would make CS viable is a 5 pc. set Cyrodiil's Light, which is almost impossible to put together unless you PvP, and I would rather have my teeth pulled.

All those other things you mentioned aren't worth crap, especially Daedric Mines, don't even get me started on that.

Finally , no buffs, real or imagined, can make up for the HORRIFIC nerf to Critical Surge, which was the only thing keeping us alive during massive AOE pulls. Kinda funny how they nerfed our #1 grinding skill right when grinding is more important than ever thanks to the CP system!

Joy_Division

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Bolt Escape needs to be a targeted skill, 10k shields need to be about 4 k... Then buff their damage...

So the one skill in the game that specifically has 'escape' in its name should become a targeted gap closer, making it the exact opposite of an 'escape'. Truly insightful, I see you put a lot of thought into that one. And shields need to be nerfed another 60% because God forbid it takes you 2 hits instead of one to get through the shield.

I meant to say Bolt escape needs to go or shields need to be reduced to 4k.

On an average night my sorc VR3 dies maybe 4-5 times. My VR14 NB dies 5x that amount. Can you guess the reason why? I'm not saying it is a god button, but the only time u should die as a sorc is if u get too aggressive or lose your situational awareness. I'm sorry you love the skill, fact remains it needs to go and eventually will.

Also thank you for calling me truly insightful, I'm surprised a 8 year old knows such big words... good on ya

There is no guessing. Because your VR3 sorc hides behind other players actually taking damage while you pick off and vulture weak targets. When an enemy remotely threatens you or your health goes under 50%, you simply bolt escape behind some allies so you are not targeted. It really isn't that hard nor is it particularly impressive nor uncommon.

It is the definition of a selfish move as you are simply directing the aggression that was on you upon either unsuspecting teammates or teammates who are already being overwhelmed.

AhPook_Is_Here

TheBull wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

It makes sorcs very bad in PvE, which is the important part of the game, since PvP can NEVER be balanced.....

First, I agree, the Sorc whining should really stop.

Second, I bolded your statement to identify one of the largest problems in ESO. PvE is NOT the most important part of the game, and it shouldn't be looked upon in that way at all. PvP and PvE should both be considered equally important.

Wish you'd have said this to the torrent of whiners who got them buffed to the point of ridiculousness:)

Sorcs didn't get any direct buffs to our class. A lot of what you guys are complaining about is a direct result of lifting the softcaps.

Ward scales off of magicka and we can bolt escape for days because we have 30k+ magicka pools.

To be fair.

Curse was buffed a lot 20% or more if I recall.
Shards cast time was reduced by about 40%.
Overload gcd was reduced.
Lightning splash duration was buffed.
Winged Twilight was given a huge heal.
Mines damage was increased.

I could be missing a couple too...

Not that I am complaining about sorc either way, I liked my sorc before the patch and still like it now, but just to point a few things out about your comments.

Curse was buffed as you mention, it was also made stack-able so more than 1 sorc can put a curse on the same target. It was also made block-able so that 90% of it's damage can be mitigated now.

Shards was buffed as you mention, the chance for a free (and now stronger cast) was reduced by 40% from 50% to 30%.

Splash was buffed even better than you mentioned as the synergy it no longer kills the damage on the ground.

Twilight Matriarch's heal was always supposed to be there, it just didn't work half the time before.

Mines are better. Those who knew, knew they were good before.

Negate was nerfed, surge nerfed and buffed, lightning form buffed and passives reworked for more group utility.

Net, I think it was about a wash for total sorc power, what makes sorcs appear stronger now is that they can actually focus on one thing, weapon or spell power and that critical focus is now a viable build again. Everybody dies fast in 1.6. I have been hit on my sorc that has around 25k health for over 40k from bow openers.