I hoped Yosemite could help in Cyrodill and….

Mac gamers will wait ps4 and xboxone versions and hope cyrodill will be playable on it

Okay, I've done some more testing on this. As a MacBook user, I have the unique ability to have a second monitor, which I take advantage of quite a bit due to having a lot of graphic programs that I use in my work. ESO has been a part of this by being able to play ESO while using a browser to check on certain pieces of information, like Enchanting Rune tables, Alchemy lists, etc. So, when I was doing my testing, I was testing it on this exact setup that had worked just fine in Mavericks.

I decided to try to attempt to find out which of all the settings was causing the most trouble. In the the past, subsampling seemed to make the biggest difference by setting it lower than high. Removing items like grass and water reflection also helped quite a bit, but not as much as subsampling.

In my tests, using only the laptops screen and NOT having a second monitor attached, I was actually finding that the FPS was fairly stable and better than Mavericks. Without the second monitor, I rarely got single digit FPS unless I went full ultra settings with max distance viewing. Using the defaults got me an average of 30-40 FPS. This was in the same places where I would get spikes down to 5 FPS, so this was very exciting to find out.

So, now that I finished that testing, I re-attached the second monitor, opened up ESO to test my new settings and ... 5 FPS reared it's ugly head. I started playing with the settings again just like I did with just the laptop's monitor, but the problem stuck.

After frustration set in, I started doing some internet searching on Yosemite and second monitor issues, specifically regarding FPS. I found a ton. Seems Yosemite's new drivers are actually better on single monitors, but when it comes to a dual or multi- monitor setup, Yosemite seems to check choked up. No one knows if Apple is aware of it, I believe they are, or if they are working on a fix, which I believe they might be but I doubt it's a high priority.

I did check to see if nVidia had an CUDA driver updates, but I was already on the most up-to-date versions.

So, if you have a laptop and are using dual monitors, unplug your second monitor and try ESO without it. You'll probably find the gameplay has returned to what you expected. Then we can wait for either Apple or nVidia to solve the issue.

For reference: MacBook Pro 2012 2.3ghz i7, 16gb Ram, nVidia 650m 512mb

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

have you tested what happens when your MacBook Pro is in clamshell mode, i.e. with the lid closed and only the external monitor is active (along with an external keyboard and mouse, of course)? As long as the GPU has to drive two monitors, it needs to sustain the memory footprint of two frame buffers at once, leaving even less memory free for graphical assets of the game. This needs to be reflected in even lower graphical quality settings..

I would personally be wary of using a MBP in clamshell mode for gaming, especially if it's using a thunderbolt display.

I mean, it can be done. But my MBP has had graphical issues powering a thunderbolt resolution. I can't say that ESO in particular is the cause but I think excessive heat has caused me to return the MBP to the shop at least once for a completely new graphics card.

At the very least reduce the SubSampling Quality in ESO's setting to "medium" or lower.

I have done the reset on the Mac for the Dual Monitor situation. It really didn't make a difference on FPS. It did help on the Memory Leak a bit.

Hi,

I cannot even install the installer. It opens the java app and then crashes.

System:
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014)
Processor 4 Ghz Intel Core i7
Memory 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096

Process: java [5489]
Path: /tmp/*/java
Identifier: net.java.openjdk.cmd
Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: setup [5482]
Responsible: setup [5482]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2014-11-04 11:32:37.404 +0100
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.10 (14A389)
Report Version: 11
Anonymous UUID: 4198E9A3-B588-C607-5B5F-18C9104CE5D9

Sleep/Wake UUID: 767509E0-9AD6-45A9-9F87-B1BE00D44531

Time Awake Since Boot: 62000 seconds
Time Since Wake: 29000 seconds

Crashed Thread: 31 Java: Java2D Queue Flusher Dispatch queue: com.apple.root.default-qos

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000115b64000

VM Regions Near 0x115b64000:
IOKit 00000001157a4000-0000000115b64000 [ 3840K] rw-/rw- SM=SHM
-->
VM_ALLOCATE 00000007f2e00000-00000007f4300000 [ 21.0M] rw-/rwx SM=PRV

Hey guys still having trouble even after update five I am going to downgrade tomorrow back to mav

Ok.. upgraded to 10.10.1 to check how things are doing...
No change, still fps is 5-10... Game is unplayable

iMac 21,5, 2013, i5 2,9, 16 GB ram, gf gt650. On Mav I get 30-40 fps with the same settings....

Upgraded to Yosemite 10.10.1 today. Made no other changes. Play style and scenarios in Cyrodiil the same as for the past few days. For the first time since March the game is unplayable. In 3 hours in Cyrodiil SEVEN crashes. When I come back into the game, abilities and Q-slot are unresponsive for a full minute, so even if I'm still alive when I get back in, I'm dead before I can defend myself. I can't group, because I'm offline during the action, and I can't advance, because I'm offline for the big AP defense ticks. I can't even report bugs in-game, because the Submit button won't work. The issues were barely tolerable before, but now crashes are 10x more frequent.

Hi Folks,

I'm seriously considering making the move to an iMac, as I'm officially sick of trying to get my current machine to work reliably. I won't name names.

Anyway, they ship with Yosemite, and based on this thread, it seems to be a bad thing. I have two questions:

1) How will I know when ZM officially supports Yosemite?
2) Knowing nearly nothing about Macs, is it easy to downgrade to Maverick on a new machine? (I realize this question isn't game related...)

Thanks!

Thanks for the information. I'm glad I didn't place the order yet! I really wish Apple gave you the option of having the previous OS incarnation installed, like the Other company does. Ah well, back to fiddling with video drivers.

Thanks again!

Delsskia wrote: »

Apple does give the option. If you order the computer from the online Apple Store, you can have it delivered to your nearest Apple Store and they can load Mavericks for you, free. Or, if you buy the comp from an Apple Store they'll do the same.

I didn't know that! Thanks for the information!

My guess would be that this option exists only for recent machines and recent incarnations of OS X. Asking them in the future to put OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (which can still be bought from the Apple Online Store, funnily enough) on a, say, 2017 iMac might stretch it a little bit...

ESO ran fine on Yosemite on my 09 Mac Pro ... until they pushed 1.6.

Now, it's a crashing nightmare.