WraithAzraiel wrote: »Thank you for the clear explanation, Gina. I appreciate that you guys are being thoughtful about the changes and considering your whole player base and not just the elite ones.
You mention that veteran ranks aren't going away yet but it sounds like this is still planned for some future update after the details are determined. I hope that some kind of compromise can be worked out to reward people who have already reached max level without separating the player base too drasticly.
(DISCLAIMER: The below rant is meant to be humorous, take it as such)
This line of thought is what's wrong with the world today. That whole, Dr. Spock, don't hit your children, reason with tantrum-throwing 2 year olds and make everyone feel speeeeecial and appreciated and warm and cozy and setting them up for failure in the cold harshness of the real world where thin skin equals death and failure.
Form you own "comedy" rant (you clearly mean it, anyone that has ever read any of you posts knows that)-
reason with tantrum-throwing 2 year olds and make everyone feel speeeeecial and appreciated.
The behaviour of certain individuals over this past weekend has very much been that of tantrum-throwing 2 year olds.
There are many of us that will loose out with this, (massively in my case) and we don't throw around threats of quitting. Anyone not understanding that this is being done for the good of the game and its long term viability, needs to take a break for a bit and calm down.
Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
WraithAzraiel wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
You fail to understand the point behind preemptive screaming. If you make enough of a stink about it, they'll think twice about allowing the failure of compensation to come to pass.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.....
WraithAzraiel wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
You fail to understand the point behind preemptive screaming. If you make enough of a stink about it, they'll think twice about allowing the failure of compensation to come to pass.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.....
Nothing wrong with cautioning ZOS to keep this in mind. But people are "quitting" over this right now!
It's like if your someone promises you a Christmas party. Then you rage in October because you haven't gotten your Christmas party yet.
I'm reading this and just thinking... uhhh... yea we didn't get more points we still have our vet levels.
It is funny to see that the few dedicated players that you have left are the ones that you are targeting with this decision. Those are the ones that you ask for feedback in Sanctum Ophidia or DSA Veteran, that stream dynamic PVP fights, that test content on the PTS, that challenge your own ability to create content by pushing the ceiling always further and provide you with elaborate inputs on the systems that you designed. Those are your most dedicated fans and you are dismissing their input as if it didn't matter.
I think that a few months/years from now, you will remember today as the day the train started going off the rails. Or maybe not, I'm just a silly player after all.
xMovingTarget wrote: »So what about "we track xp". This will make many many ppl mad.
xMovingTarget wrote: »So what about "we track xp". This will make many many ppl mad.
A 1 to 1 conversion of XP to Champion XP was too dramatic so they decided to reverse all of their previous stamtents on the matter and not do any conversion at all.
lordrichter wrote: »I am somewhat surprised that no one noticed that Gina posted that whole long thing and never once did it actually answer the question that everyone was asking.
Maybe someone else noticed it and just missed it.
When I go on about how they cannot communicate, and laugh when they say things like, "That said, we’re going to continue to be open about our plans and designs for the future of ESO," this is what I mean. How could they possibly write all that without even answering the question?
xMovingTarget wrote: »So what about "we track xp". This will make many many ppl mad.
A 1 to 1 conversion of XP to Champion XP was too dramatic so they decided to reverse all of their previous stamtents on the matter and not do any conversion at all.
WraithAzraiel wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
You fail to understand the point behind preemptive screaming. If you make enough of a stink about it, they'll think twice about allowing the failure of compensation to come to pass.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.....
Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
WraithAzraiel wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »Thank you for the clear explanation, Gina. I appreciate that you guys are being thoughtful about the changes and considering your whole player base and not just the elite ones.
You mention that veteran ranks aren't going away yet but it sounds like this is still planned for some future update after the details are determined. I hope that some kind of compromise can be worked out to reward people who have already reached max level without separating the player base too drasticly.
(DISCLAIMER: The below rant is meant to be humorous, take it as such)
This line of thought is what's wrong with the world today. That whole, Dr. Spock, don't hit your children, reason with tantrum-throwing 2 year olds and make everyone feel speeeeecial and appreciated and warm and cozy and setting them up for failure in the cold harshness of the real world where thin skin equals death and failure.
Form you own "comedy" rant (you clearly mean it, anyone that has ever read any of you posts knows that)-
reason with tantrum-throwing 2 year olds and make everyone feel speeeeecial and appreciated.
The behaviour of certain individuals over this past weekend has very much been that of tantrum-throwing 2 year olds.
There are many of us that will loose out with this, (massively in my case) and we don't throw around threats of quitting. Anyone not understanding that this is being done for the good of the game and its long term viability, needs to take a break for a bit and calm down.
Expressing a thought or belief with humor doesn't detract from the self truth of that expressed thought or belief. I only added the disclaimer to keep from offending people unintentionally. If I'm going to offend someone, I'd like it to be intentional.
Do I believe everything I put a disclaimer above and below? Absolutely. Can I do anything about it? Absolutely not. So I'm going to get a kick out of it, and hopefully spread some humor doing it.
I'm not having a tantrum, I'm expressing a belief and opinion passionately. This announcement isn't in any way, shape or form, going to affect how often I play.
I've stated before I'm in for the long run. My comment was neither a threat to quit nor an irrational tantrum. Sooooo what was the point of you quoting my comment?
If it was to be used as an example of tantrum-throwing, I can think of better examples. Just saying.
WraithAzraiel wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
You fail to understand the point behind preemptive screaming. If you make enough of a stink about it, they'll think twice about allowing the failure of compensation to come to pass.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.....
Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
They have stated that a 1 to 1 conversion of Xp to Champion XP was too drastic.
They will have no way of compensating anyone accurately since when 1.6 goes live you'll be gaining champion points making the 2 system forever irreconcilable.
They have effectively wiped all experience beyond the equivalent of ~120 hours of veteran play.
The ultimate irony in wiping all veteran alt experience is the only way for players to now earn champion points other than grinding dailies is to roll as many alts as possible to vr 14.
Some(albeit small) number of players who have 8 vr14 characters will have to either grind dailies on all 14 characters or delete characters and reroll in order to keep up with brand new veteran ranked players.
Why the hell they couldn't have done a 10 to 1 or some high end conversion and added that to the 30 CP everyone was getting is beyond me.
Of course if in 1.7(champion phase 4) they do add them back I will be pleasantly surprised.
As it stands now it is an almost complete wipe of Xp for the most active players.
Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »
To answer you question, "How do you feel cheated?":
The announcements given prior to this past ESO Live, inferred/implied/damn near flat out told us that we should continue playing the game after hitting Max Level, that our activities and the XP garnered from said activities were being recorded in the background up to a certain CAP, to bestow us with equivalent reward for the amount of effort expended in the form of Champion Points.
Here's the rub:
Everyone with a V1 Character gets 30 Champion Points. Flat. No matter how much work someone put in to push their characters, to get the most bang for their buck, the most reward for their effort.
What they're saying is, "Hey we know you broke your ass leveling and dungeoneering and running trials but we're going to go ahead and give everyone the same reward, regardless if those people put in the work, just to be fair and communist err I mean balanced."
Yet another example where the concept of "risk vs reward" escapes them.
That's how people feel cheated. They had the rug yanked out from under them. There was no transparency, no warning, just BLAM "Oh hey all that work you did, all those hours you spent playing and killing and questing, we're only counting 30 of them. Sorry! (sucks to be you, you could've stopped playing your alts at V1 and you would've gotten the same reward, *** HA HA!)"
It's not a question of power, it's an understanding that the time spent wasn't worth it. And ergo, was wasted.
Wasn't the reward for finishing all that content the levels, gear and gold you got for running that content?
Is everyone here missing that they are making these changes in phases.
I feel like no one understands that ZOS agrees that people who are Vet14 should be more powerful than a Vet1 and so with 1.6 you still are! The CP to XP conversion is not happening right now because...ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists. Layering a second progression can exacerbate player separation issues, especially when there is a lot of variance in the Champion System introduction. This phased-in approach is good for the game, but with dual progression post-50, it means we have to be even more careful when making changes.
Do you all really think that a VR1 + 30CP will be equivalent to a VR14+30CP?
When we get our CP per XP there will be no more vet levels. That isn't happening yet. Phases.
Amen. Someone actually gets it.
You are STILL V14 or whatever character you are.
You have lost nothing...nil ...zilch.
All thats happened is every Vet gets 30 points.
IF/WHEN they remove the VET system AND you dont get compensated.
THEN scream all you like!
They have stated that a 1 to 1 conversion of Xp to Champion XP was too drastic.
They will have no way of compensating anyone accurately since when 1.6 goes live you'll be gaining champion points making the 2 system forever irreconcilable.
They have effectively wiped all experience beyond the equivalent of ~120 hours of veteran play.
The ultimate irony in wiping all veteran alt experience is the only way for players to now earn champion points other than grinding dailies is to roll as many alts as possible to vr 14.
Some(albeit small) number of players who have 8 vr14 characters will have to either grind dailies on all 14 characters or delete characters and reroll in order to keep up with brand new veteran ranked players.
Why the hell they couldn't have done a 10 to 1 or some high end conversion and added that to the 30 CP everyone was getting is beyond me.
Of course if in 1.7(champion phase 4) they do add them back I will be pleasantly surprised.
As it stands now it is an almost complete wipe of Xp for the most active players.
But they said they cannot do a full conversion.
There was simply too much to do.
Thats the whole point behind phasing the system
Thats why they said they want to make sure CS + Vet run in parallel with no hiccups for now.
Vet system has not been removed.
Vis-a-vis....no compensation.
The only other thing I have heard them say is WHEN conversion actually does take place. It will be capped at some MAX Champion points.
They havent even finalised exactly how they will get rid of the Vet system yet.
That might demote all to Level 50 and give you CS points as compensation.
Who knows.
This is how I read the post:
Since veteran ranks are still in place, players who are at V14 still have their power, which they gained throught progression, so giving them additional CSP with 1.6 would give the additional ressources without giving anything (the VR bonuses) up. Once they remove the veteran ranks and all veteran characters become equally strong, the high level characters will be rewarded for their effort.