ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.
We are hard at work on it and I’m here to answer a few of your questions. Most of these questions were also asked during our Guild Round Table in the last two days.
How will the current system change when the Champion System gets introduced?
The Champion System will introduce new past lvl 50 progression for your account where previously there was only an increase in Veteran Ranks and Attributes. The Champion System allows you spend points in the constellations to earn powerful passives such as giving your bash a chance to snare targets, reduce the amount of damage you take from flames or leech health on critical strikes.
What happens to the Veteran Ranks we currently have VR1-12?
We want to remove the Veteran Ranks from the game and rely on the more active progression provided by the Champion System. However, when we release the Champion System we will continue to maintain Veteran Ranks. We have several options as to how we will remove Veteran Ranks but all of them require time and careful planning. In the meantime, we are making Veteran Ranks earned by XP and reducing the overall time it takes to get a Veteran Rank. We are also rewarding an Attribute Point and a Skill Point each time you reach a Veteran Rank.
What happens to the Skill Points from VR1-12? Are they carried over to the CS instead?
The Skill Points we reward will not be removed from you! You will continue to have the same amount of Skill Points you do now. The Champion System does not reward any Skill Points, only gaining Veteran Ranks does. When we take out Veteran Ranks we will make sure that anyone that didn't make it max Veteran Rank will still rewarded with those Skill Points.
Does everyone that is a Veteran Rank get lowered back to lvl50? Or are the Ranks staying, but only being changed to lvl 51, 52, etc instead?
Similar to an answer before, we just don’t know yet.
Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.
DanielMaxwell wrote: »It does if the 30 points are the max they feel can be given while maintaining some semblance of balance at the start of the new champion system . That is why I said a clarification from @ZOS_GinaBruno would be helpful(or hurtful) for the community .
Thinking that they lied is a bit dumb. Changes are to be expected when they have been planning and testing this for so long. They didn't lie, they made a miscalculation and what they promised is no longer optimal, it seems.
If they really wanted to lie and not lose subs they wouldn't have said anything about this more than one month before it is even in the live server.
Let's be rational, guys.
Darkonflare15 wrote: »So I guess leveling vet 14 was a waste of time. Lets list all of the things that was a waste of time.
- Researching gear
- Having fun
- Getting Stronger gear
- Having more Attribute points
- Having more Skill Points
- Gaining cool titles
- Fighting strong monsters
- Playing with friends
- Playing with Strangers
- Gaining xp for skills
- Gaining xp to level up
- Playing the story
- Learning how to play
- Crafting
- Completing Dolmens
- Completing Dungeons
- Gaining a lot of gold
- Travel to cool places
- Learning what is going on in each alliances
- Finding rare gear
- Get new dyes
- Theory crafting with new builds
- Trying out new skill combinations
- Taking Screenshots and share to the community
- Testing new stuff on the PTS
- Making my build work
- Changing my dyes on my armor so it can look good
- Trading goods
- Hording crafting goods
- Selling things I do not want
- Chatting with guild mates
- Playing the game
That question never cross my mind because I do not feel cheated because what I did was not a waste of time because I still will be doing that in the future. I did not believe that "tracked xp" thus I was never lied too.Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »Darkonflare15 wrote: »So I guess leveling vet 14 was a waste of time. Lets list all of the things that was a waste of time.
- Researching gear
- Having fun
- Getting Stronger gear
- Having more Attribute points
- Having more Skill Points
- Gaining cool titles
- Fighting strong monsters
- Playing with friends
- Playing with Strangers
- Gaining xp for skills
- Gaining xp to level up
- Playing the story
- Learning how to play
- Crafting
- Completing Dolmens
- Completing Dungeons
- Gaining a lot of gold
- Travel to cool places
- Learning what is going on in each alliances
- Finding rare gear
- Get new dyes
- Theory crafting with new builds
- Trying out new skill combinations
- Taking Screenshots and share to the community
- Testing new stuff on the PTS
- Making my build work
- Changing my dyes on my armor so it can look good
- Trading goods
- Hording crafting goods
- Selling things I do not want
- Chatting with guild mates
- Playing the game
Correct. All of those things were a waste of time because I'm unsubscribing.
You've touched upon why people are so angry -- that list represents an investment of time and effort. All of those things supposedly contribute towards the development and progression of our characters, whether we're talking about vanity personalization or strengthening our stats. Making the decision to unsubscribe is difficult because we have to acknowledge *all* of that was, indeed, a waste of time.
It's a lot like ending a relationship -- we're mourning the death of what was and what could have been.
And, just like with *some* relationships, this one is ending because ZOS made a promise and broke it, blithely. They assured us on October 3rd (as quoted above) that continuing to play our characters would contribute to our characters' development under the Champion System. That's plainly stated in the October 3rd quotation above, in no uncertain terms.
I'm unsubscribing because the endless promise-parade of "good things coming later -- no really" is no longer sufficient to justify keeping my subscription, given this complete 180 on what they *explicitly* told us would be the case with the implementation of the Champion System.
The question you should be asking yourself is this: how big must the lie be for YOU to unsubscribe? How much dishonesty are you, personally, willing to tolerate? As I stated earlier, I've had my fill.
Darkonflare15 wrote: »That question never cross my mind because I do not feel cheated because what I did was not a waste of time because I still will be doing that in the future. I did not believe that "tracked xp" thus I was never lied too.Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »Darkonflare15 wrote: »So I guess leveling vet 14 was a waste of time. Lets list all of the things that was a waste of time.
- Researching gear
- Having fun
- Getting Stronger gear
- Having more Attribute points
- Having more Skill Points
- Gaining cool titles
- Fighting strong monsters
- Playing with friends
- Playing with Strangers
- Gaining xp for skills
- Gaining xp to level up
- Playing the story
- Learning how to play
- Crafting
- Completing Dolmens
- Completing Dungeons
- Gaining a lot of gold
- Travel to cool places
- Learning what is going on in each alliances
- Finding rare gear
- Get new dyes
- Theory crafting with new builds
- Trying out new skill combinations
- Taking Screenshots and share to the community
- Testing new stuff on the PTS
- Making my build work
- Changing my dyes on my armor so it can look good
- Trading goods
- Hording crafting goods
- Selling things I do not want
- Chatting with guild mates
- Playing the game
Correct. All of those things were a waste of time because I'm unsubscribing.
You've touched upon why people are so angry -- that list represents an investment of time and effort. All of those things supposedly contribute towards the development and progression of our characters, whether we're talking about vanity personalization or strengthening our stats. Making the decision to unsubscribe is difficult because we have to acknowledge *all* of that was, indeed, a waste of time.
It's a lot like ending a relationship -- we're mourning the death of what was and what could have been.
And, just like with *some* relationships, this one is ending because ZOS made a promise and broke it, blithely. They assured us on October 3rd (as quoted above) that continuing to play our characters would contribute to our characters' development under the Champion System. That's plainly stated in the October 3rd quotation above, in no uncertain terms.
I'm unsubscribing because the endless promise-parade of "good things coming later -- no really" is no longer sufficient to justify keeping my subscription, given this complete 180 on what they *explicitly* told us would be the case with the implementation of the Champion System.
The question you should be asking yourself is this: how big must the lie be for YOU to unsubscribe? How much dishonesty are you, personally, willing to tolerate? As I stated earlier, I've had my fill.
I have a character that has a lot items and time put into him and he is not going away by update 6. So why should I consider him a waste of time? He actually is getting better after this update. I am not going disregard him as a waste of time because of ZOS or because of some unknown player consider it a waste of time. I am not going to unsubscribe just because some game developer supposedly lied to me. Big deal people lie a lot especially corporations and companies. I do not feel as connected to a company as I will feel towards a person I know thus this does not sway me.
I will unsubscribe once this game is not consider fun for me. So far it is good. So no.
Darkonflare15 wrote: »That question never cross my mind because I do not feel cheated because what I did was not a waste of time because I still will be doing that in the future. I did not believe that "tracked xp" thus I was never lied too.Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »Darkonflare15 wrote: »So I guess leveling vet 14 was a waste of time. Lets list all of the things that was a waste of time.
- Researching gear
- Having fun
- Getting Stronger gear
- Having more Attribute points
- Having more Skill Points
- Gaining cool titles
- Fighting strong monsters
- Playing with friends
- Playing with Strangers
- Gaining xp for skills
- Gaining xp to level up
- Playing the story
- Learning how to play
- Crafting
- Completing Dolmens
- Completing Dungeons
- Gaining a lot of gold
- Travel to cool places
- Learning what is going on in each alliances
- Finding rare gear
- Get new dyes
- Theory crafting with new builds
- Trying out new skill combinations
- Taking Screenshots and share to the community
- Testing new stuff on the PTS
- Making my build work
- Changing my dyes on my armor so it can look good
- Trading goods
- Hording crafting goods
- Selling things I do not want
- Chatting with guild mates
- Playing the game
Correct. All of those things were a waste of time because I'm unsubscribing.
You've touched upon why people are so angry -- that list represents an investment of time and effort. All of those things supposedly contribute towards the development and progression of our characters, whether we're talking about vanity personalization or strengthening our stats. Making the decision to unsubscribe is difficult because we have to acknowledge *all* of that was, indeed, a waste of time.
It's a lot like ending a relationship -- we're mourning the death of what was and what could have been.
And, just like with *some* relationships, this one is ending because ZOS made a promise and broke it, blithely. They assured us on October 3rd (as quoted above) that continuing to play our characters would contribute to our characters' development under the Champion System. That's plainly stated in the October 3rd quotation above, in no uncertain terms.
I'm unsubscribing because the endless promise-parade of "good things coming later -- no really" is no longer sufficient to justify keeping my subscription, given this complete 180 on what they *explicitly* told us would be the case with the implementation of the Champion System.
The question you should be asking yourself is this: how big must the lie be for YOU to unsubscribe? How much dishonesty are you, personally, willing to tolerate? As I stated earlier, I've had my fill.
I have a character that has a lot items and time put into him and he is not going away by update 6. So why should I consider him a waste of time? He actually is getting better after this update. I am not going disregard him as a waste of time because of ZOS or because of some unknown player consider it a waste of time. I am not going to unsubscribe just because some game developer supposedly lied to me. Big deal people lie a lot especially corporations and companies. I do not feel as connected to a company as I will feel towards a person I know thus this does not sway me.
I will unsubscribe once this game is not consider fun for me. So far it is good. So no.
xMovingTarget wrote: »So what about "we track xp". This will make many many ppl mad.I do not understand this reaction. They outright said you are not losing your VR14 ranks, skills, attributes or even gear.While, I'm glad you took the time to explain all this, I can't help but feel cheated of the time I spent progressing my characters over hundreds of hours.
I'll be pondering whether keeping my subscription or not.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Because the Champion System is layered on top of the Veteran System, the power differential between players from Veteran Rank 1 to Veteran Rank 14 still exists. There are many reasons we haven’t fully eliminated Veteran Ranks, chiefly a sense of progression in character and itemization progression. In the current phase that progression still exists.
How do you feel cheated? You will still be as powerful as you ever were compared to a VR5, a VR1 or a level 34 character.
Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »I guess you did not pay attention to what I type. I just answer your question which is in bold and of course my feelings are not universalized neither is yours. I never said that. I gave you a reason why this did not bother me. Your comparison is not valid because of what I said in bold. I have been play this game since one of the betas in February. I understand what is going on pretty well and I am presumably alright and I gave you a reason why. I am sorry that I am not devastated as you are and not everybody feels that way. I am also sorry that I not going to waste my money by unsubbing when I still have time left.Darkonflare15 wrote: »Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »That question never cross my mind because I do not feel cheated because what I did was not a waste of time because I still will be doing that in the future. I did not believe that "tracked xp" thus I was never lied too.Darkonflare15 wrote: »So I guess leveling vet 14 was a waste of time. Lets list all of the things that was a waste of time.
The question you should be asking yourself is this: how big must the lie be for YOU to unsubscribe? How much dishonesty are you, personally, willing to tolerate? As I stated earlier, I've had my fill.
I have a character that has a lot items and time put into him and he is not going away by update 6. So why should I consider him a waste of time? He actually is getting better after this update. I am not going disregard him as a waste of time because of ZOS or because of some unknown player consider it a waste of time. I am not going to unsubscribe just because some game developer supposedly lied to me. Big deal people lie a lot especially corporations and companies. I do not feel as connected to a company as I will feel towards a person I know thus this does not sway me.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that because you "never believed" ZOS would keep their word, you don't feel you were deceived. Are you sure you're not allowing the hindsight fairy to sprinkle retroactive justification dust in your ear?
Sorry, but your feelings on the matter aren't universalized to the rest of us. It's like saying your spouse's adultery is Ok because you *expected* the infidelity, despite any marriage vows you may have heard to the contrary.
ZOS conned us into playing through the autumn and winter to fund the development of the Champion and Justice Systems. I've unsubscribed (just did it -- 44 days of playtime remaining) because I don't tolerate being manipulated.
None of the reasons they've offered, so far, explain why they've gone back on their word *other* than the one I've given. They changed the how valuable each point is and rescaled how many points? Then they should rescale the alleged Champion Point conversion rate as well as the cap to accommodate those changes. It's just math. No reason to renege on the promise to track XP and award Champion Points, accordingly.
Nobody who is presumably alright with ZOS breaking their word can offer any reason for it -- all they can say is "Well, this isn't enough to make me quit, yet."
ZOS needs to come up with a solution or else they'll lose more than just my subscription. This non-answer from @ZOS_GinaBruno doesn't work. Your claim to have clairvoyantly predicted this doesn't work, either. ZOS keeping their word, however -- that would work.
There has not yet been a valid reason given as to why they *can't* keep their word. That's why I have ended my subscription.
Joy_Division wrote: »A long time ago I read something called "Peter's Evil Overlord List," which was a humorous but insightful critique of the lack of common sense that foiled the overcomplicated schemes of villains from comic-books, movies, and fantasy novels. One of the more pertinent points was to hire a 9 year old adviser as a safeguard to ensure that the most obvious flaw would not be missed by overthinking.
ZoS needs to hire a nine year old.
How did a company of otherwise bright, motivated, and experienced people NOT anticipate the overwhelming negative response to the CONJECTURE - and let's face it, it is just that - that VR14s would effectively be neutered to the same level as VR1s? The likely answer is they knew...but were confident that their direction of the game was for the best.
The nine year old would have instantly said, "It's not fair and people will feel cheated, lied to, screwed, etc."
Joy_Division wrote: »This is a new system, a conservative approach is needed to ensure balance, and I do actually think we would be deprived of the feeling of progression if we actually received these points as opposed to earning them.
themizario wrote: »I like to send /tells to people in game who say are unsubbing with 'Hi' and when they respond 'Who is this?' I say 'Can I haz ur stuff plz?'
While, I'm glad you took the time to explain all this, I can't help but feel cheated of the time I spent progressing my characters over hundreds of hours.
I'll be pondering whether to keep my subscription or not.
While, I'm glad you took the time to explain all this, I can't help but feel cheated of the time I spent progressing my characters over hundreds of hours.
I'll be pondering whether to keep my subscription or not.
Cry me a RIVER!! , you guys wanted a better game... they are giving it to us and all you guys do is cry regardless of what the changes are. Life sucks... get used to it.