When im saying you can not target or use any skills on guy in Mist Form i mean it.
You just CAN'T use any ability, skill or spell on guy in Mist Form.
All of you abilitys are GREY when you look at him and you cant even click it.

If you started to cast some spell or skill BEFORE he used Mist it will continue until it ends. But yo would not be able to use anything else untill Mist Form ends.

Hey I’d like to add my 5 cents to the discussion.

I’m a vampire player myself. I agree that right now a vampire with the right combination of skills and items is too strong. The main problem is how far down you can bring the cost for your ultimate.

But actually that is not because of the vampire skills it’s because of a design flaw how percentage cost reduction is implemented.

Right now percentage based cost reductions get added up. That is really bad, because if you have enough sources for cost reduction you could reach zero.
Right now a vampire player gets 60% ulti reduction from stage 4 vampirism,
20% from Dragon set, 3% from Seducer Set and another 15% if he is a sorcerer.

That’s 60%+20%+15%+3% = 98% reduction on ultimate cost. That makes the ulti cost only 4 ultimate.

(Note: There is currently a bug, so that the vampirism buff only works when you reached the vampirism state while in the zone, as soon as you switch zoon the buff does not work any more)

If there were one more source of ulti cost reduction you could make the ultimate totally free. This is really bad.

But it’s not the problem of the vampires!

Percentage based cost reduction should always be multiplied and not added up.

It should be like this: (1-0.6)*(1-0.2)*(1-0.15)*(1-0.03) = 0.264
This way, the max reduction would only be 73.6% instead of 98%

TL;DR

The problem with the cheap vampire ultimate is not a vampire problem but a design flaw.
Change the way percentage based cost reduction is handled from adding up to multiplying and the worst part of the problem is solved. (fine tuning might still be necessary)

Just had a fight with a vampire who liked spamming this skill (I won by the way, so don't dismiss my comment as someone who is a sore loser) and it was incredibly annoying. Ended up having to chase him for a few minutes, making myself vulnerable. If it's true that it it costs 500 magicka to use, then I want to know how the hell a Dragonknight would be specced so that he can use this skill for nearly 3 minutes straight...
Also, even when my Binding Javelin (a knockback skill) would hit him as he was turning into mist form, he wouldn't be knocked back at all and could continue running as normal.
Either way, I'm glad I had decided to use a bow as a secondary weapon. Only reason I got him is because he thought he was in the clear and stopped to look around or something. :P
This skill definitely needs a fix, it should make it easier to escape but not next to impossible to catch. I've seen this skill being abused many times; a guy's pulling a Leeroy Jenkins and attacking other players or npcs, he turns into mist when he starts taking some damage, comes back a few seconds later after receiving heals, attacks, rinse wash and repeat until he's cleared the area. It's almost as close to a god mode you can get in this game if you know how to use it to your advantage.

well technically you can cast AoE spells on them. Dark talons and encase are particularly good for holding them in place for other AoE combos. sometimes you can TAB on them and then try to use single target melee range spells, like lava whip etc. but it's not that effective without a good root

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

honestly, people that whine about classes and cry for nerf's invalidate themselves as true gamers to me. in your youth, when you came against a boss in a rpg or adventure game, did you call the devs or publisher and demand a fix? no? then why should they do it here, they had beta after beta of people doing the same thing, and if you ask me, more people played the beta because it was free. if they didnt nerf the classes then, why should they now.

play the game and learn to counter attack, dont sit and cry because someone is better than you.

You realize that the public beta did not have access to VR levels, gear and things like WW and Vampire?

You did not even see many level 30ish and I do not think I've seen a single bolt escape sorc during public betas, because of level caps...

Comparing a stress test to a true open beta with all PvP things open is a bit too much. People had not that great selection of skills due to low levels and everyone had the same stats (since there was virtually no VR levels unless some Psijic Order tester decided to log in, and even they I believe they had restrictions on what they can use during public beta period)

Also, comparing a PvE games of my youth to PvP experience and balance is some flawed comparison... Do you remember early RTS ages and PvP experience there? Are you also comparing the age of very limited feedback on products to the current age?

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

honestly, people that whine about classes and cry for nerf's invalidate themselves as true gamers to me. in your youth, when you came against a boss in a rpg or adventure game, did you call the devs or publisher and demand a fix? no? then why should they do it here, they had beta after beta of people doing the same thing, and if you ask me, more people played the beta because it was free. if they didnt nerf the classes then, why should they now.

play the game and learn to counter attack, dont sit and cry because someone is better than you.

this is complete nonsense.

the mist form "invulnerability" (= not attackable) is a bug, period. it's not about being "better", I bet lots of vampire players don't even know that they cannot be attacked during mist form.

you CAN counter it by getting the enemy in your target using TAB. this works 100%. but this is still just a workaround for a major bug.

so please spare us with such crap in the future. thank you very much.

So i became a vampire too now. Not for Mist Form thou, but for stealth and stamina regen and damage reduction bonuses.
But ofc the first thing i tryed was a Mist Form. And i can confirm that skill make me untargetable for enemys. Ican just *** round in the middle of enemy group and only AOE can hit me. With Vampirism state 4 its already cost nearly nothing and i can spam it for much more then 2-3 times with only 1k of magika. I dont even use any magika cost reduction or regen items.

Cant check right now because of maintance, but it seems to me that even mobs cant attack me while in Mist Form.

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

I know about the zone bug i feed to 3 and let it drop to 4 after 1.5 hrs to get my reduction buff (whcih is bs) I still felt it was rather expensive but perhaps I'm not as stacked as you are with magicka regen / regen abilities / reduction cost. Not sure about ur build.

I don't really think its any more spammable than other ultimates it still costs 50ish ultimate perhaps the nerf should be made in how fast you can gain ultimate. You can get non-vamp ultimates down to 80s (lower if emp) with ult reduction. And you can get 80 ultimate in a few seconds with the proper builds.

You can set up to:
Gain ultimate when you take any damage
Get ultimate on kills (you get like 20 ultimate back on player kills with alliance passive)
ultimate on feed
and so forth....
- Also if u drop a heal or two out there like mutagen thats another 20-30 ultimate very fast.

In my opinion, the issue isn't ultimate cost. the issue is how easy it is to gain ultimate, which I think is a non-issue because everyone can do it and you sorta gimp yourself if you focus on ultimate regen in exchange for other bonuses so its a personal decision.

Before people start saying it: The 4 ultimate cost was a photoshop the player already admitted to doing it on reddit but thats already been verified in a separate thread on these forums so i'll stay on the topic of mist form.

I think its a waste to pop bat swarm and go into mist. Mist is bugged as hell, doesn't do damage properly and doesn't make u immune to CCs. You do far more damage spamming pulsar or other aoes then turtling in mist form and doing a measley 200 dmg / sec. If people actually die to someone just spamming bat swarm whenever its up thats pretty pitiful.

Again a negate magic on the person and theres your paper to beat rock. (thats just 1 of a dozen ways to beat this build, which really is not OP compared to DK fire mage, DPS templar, and so forth....

Mist form does make you immune to CC. You still need to dodge roots and block knock downs, whatever gets through your CC immunity has a counter move that you are supposed to be doing instead.

It's funny, because most ppl defending some clearly unbalanced mechanics are low skill scrubs who can achieve nothing in well balanced PvP games, like competitive MOBA, RTS, FPS, and the only way for them to shine and self ego stroke is to exploit bugs and use ultra cheese builds after they spend their no-lifer time on grinding stuff and levels or simply buy it for real money.

Some skills are just too good for the cost and some synergies need to be looked upon with skills getting some tweaks here and there. There also needs to be some balancing sweep and leveling magicka and stamina builds in their viability, as currently magicka trumps over stamina with very few crit based exceptions.

Nice necro...