Mist form abuse.

killedbyping

So, Zenimax, are you freaking serious ?
Tooltip says that you recieve 75% damage reduction and immune to Healing magic.
It is like that at all.
Mist form give you 4 second of invulnerability because it makes your character untargetable and enemys can not put any skill into you.
Enemys cant see your health or anything else.
In addition, the animation of Mist form makes you almost invisible. You dont see a Dominion mark above targets head so you dont even know if he ally or enemy untill its too late.
You can not see target in Mist form even if you put a Piercing Mark on him.
Also, even when Target is out of Mist form, you can see Mark among his debuffs, but you cant see any Mark animation.
Skill costs nearly 0 stamina and have no cooldown at all. It doesnt say that it dispell anything, but it seems it actualy do.
I would understand if it dispells dispells damaging debuffs, but it dispells everything. Also you can not use any snare or stun effect skills on target in Mist for some reason.
We just spend like 3 mins chasing a guy who were spamming Mist form with 4 people. He didnt attacked anyone and didnt used any healing. Still his health remains full and stamina never ended.

killedbyping

After 15 mins of first story second happened. A guy went alone into 15 of us and were spamming Mist form.. He simply killed every1 around with AOE while we can not even notice who were doing that untill it was too late becase there were NO Ebonheart Pact icon above his head or anything which could reveal his allience.
Yet again he was untargetable...

7788b14_ESO

I thought it said you couldn't attack while in mist form?

ChampionSheWolf

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

I thought it said you couldn't attack while in mist form?

I have no idea if you can attack with Mist Form or not, and certainly not going to qualify it. But I do know it's ridiculously powerful and let's too many people just coast in. It's bad enough PvP is kind of in a sorry shape because power games went straight to V10, making PvP ridiculous imbalanced where a single V10 can decimate 50+ non-vet leveled players whole sale with little issue. But I've also watched mist form and the fact it can be spammed ridiculous just raises all manner of balance issues.

Tzarken

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

I thought it said you couldn't attack while in mist form?

The skill lasts 4 seconds, inbetween he could have cast an instant AoE, then went back in mist form. There is the skill morph poison mist, its supposed to do, at vr2 (where im at right now) 89 damage every 1/2 second for 4 seconds, but due to being bugged only ticks 3 times during the whole 4 seconds.

Keapoe

You are correct it costs 0 Stamina... however it does cost almost 500 magika..

Futrix

I don't see the problem.

Tzarken

Keapoe wrote: »

You are correct it costs 0 Stamina... however it does cost almost 500 magika..

Stage 4 vampirism makes vamp abilities cost 60% less.

NTclaymore

I think it works as intended. the mist-form skill in Skyrim made you completely unkillable but like this one unable to attack. Its a getaway skill or a sneak attack skill.

Futrix

Tzarken wrote: »

Keapoe wrote: »

You are correct it costs 0 Stamina... however it does cost almost 500 magika..

Stage 4 vampirism makes vamp abilities cost 60% less.

Sure, but stage 4 has less survivability, which is basically what the complaint here was about.

bantad87

Futrix wrote: »

Tzarken wrote: »

Keapoe wrote: »

You are correct it costs 0 Stamina... however it does cost almost 500 magika..

Stage 4 vampirism makes vamp abilities cost 60% less.

Sure, but stage 4 has less survivability, which is basically what the complaint here was about.

Which is a moot point when you spam your ultimate AOE and stay in mist form 24/7, while receiving healing you shouldn't be getting. Fix the healing debuff on mist form so that it actually works.

Nehemia

Tzarken wrote: »

Keapoe wrote: »

You are correct it costs 0 Stamina... however it does cost almost 500 magika..

Stage 4 vampirism makes vamp abilities cost 60% less.

Yeah and stage 4 vampirism is bugged 99% of the time.

How about instead of all these threads, developers could actually fix the damn vampire skill line?

killedbyping

I meant what i meant. You can not attack someone in while he in Mist Form. Not the opposite.
I dont know if you can attack anyone while you in Mist Form. The discussion is about skill which allow you stay invulnerable for infinite time while you gain bonus movespeed and nearly invisible.
And cos of it nearly 0 with vampisim level 4. If this skill realy costs 500 magika, nobody could keep spamming it for 3 minutes... And i mean it, this guy were using it non stop. He never cam out of Mist Form. He never waited for full 4 seconds. He used it again at 3 seconds or so to keep himself in Mist Form.

Nehemia

killedbyping wrote: »

He never waited for full 4 seconds. He used it again at 3 seconds or so to keep himself in Mist Form.

And there we go, this thread was rendered moot. You cannot cast mistform whilst in mistform, you can cast the mistform after it ends, not during the effect.

Don't lie if you are willing to discuss game balance.

Mustaklaki

Build ultimate cost reduction > Mist > Devouring Swarm > Kill 40 people by yourself due to bugged ultimate cost.

killedbyping

Nehemia wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

He never waited for full 4 seconds. He used it again at 3 seconds or so to keep himself in Mist Form.

And there we go, this thread was rendered moot. You cannot cast mistform whilst in mistform, you can cast the mistform after it ends, not during the effect.

Don't lie if you are willing to discuss game balance.

You want a video of that bullcrap or what ? 4 people saw this. This guy were in Mist Form non stop. Did he used it BEFORE it ended or right after it ended it doesnt matter and is not the point, cast time is instant. He still were in Mist Form for whole 3 minutes.
May be he were in this form even longer i dont know for sure because i just gave up chasing him.
Later that day i saw some of my teammates doing the same trick.

domlynchb16_ESO

actually your information is wrong.
i use mistform to move quickly across the map. it definitely helps.

HOWEVER, as soon as you are engaged in combat, targeted (yes you can target people in mist form) your regen rate moves to COMBAT REGEN (and you can't spam it anymore). You get 4 times maybe (i often drink a mana potion to get the 4th one)

Klimarov

Dudes, how many of you are Vampires? The posted doesn't even know that mist form only costs magika and has no stamina cost. Again, it's a defensive skill, you should only see the mist, no icons and etc. 3rd, you can damage enemy in the mist form, and what do you mean he is untargetable? did you notice this game has no tab-targeting like WoW and GW2, all you need to do is aim with your cursor and shot/hit. Asides from that, invest in own surviability, i only see people dumping every thing towards damage mechanic be it stamina or magika, no one builds survival specs.
Stop crying just because you were *** by vr 10 purpled out tank when you're level 34, what did you expect really? thought you'll be able to take him down? even if he is not a vampire, vr 10 tank will be hard to kill, and should *** any low level character without any effort.

cjtignub17_ESO

There is a lot of mis information given in this thread.

1.) I highly doubt anyone went into a zerg of people and killed them with just mist form. The skill is bugged and does NOT do 90 dmg every .5 seconds. During the entire mist form it will only tick about 3-4 times (also the range is VERY VERY TINY).

2.) You cannot cast mist form again while in mist form there is about a 1 second cooldown bc of animation effects before u can cast ANYTHING after using mist form including even a weapon swap.

3.) Mist form even with skill reduction and stage four is VERY VERY expensive to continually keep up.

In brief if someone goes into mist form they cannot really do anything, sure they are nearly invincible but again they cannot do crap so target and burn someone else until they pop out of mist form. They are no threat to you for the 4 secs in mist form as they are not donig any damage and they cannot get healed (the bat swarm no longer heals you in mist form this has been fixed).

The only use I even see for mist form is to help with running the scrolls back. Otherwise its a useless ability imo.

I am a vampire lvl 10 and have tested mistform extensively in pvp and pve. I tried popping it when low on health to run away but your still taking a decent amount of damage (especially since the undead passive is broken and does not work). If you pop it with 25% HP chances are you'll get nuked down by the end of mist form if not when its off your a sitting duck for that 1 second animation cooldown, espec if enemy popped a negate magic on ur location.

Zintair

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

There is a lot of mis information given in this thread.



3.) Mist form even with skill reduction and stage four is VERY VERY expensive to continually keep up.

No it is not. I use Seducer and Stage 4 and can keep Mist Form up without issue for at least 2 minutes if indefinitely. What you are seeing is the zone bug in Cyrodiil which says you are at Stage 4 Vamp but it reduces you to stage 1 in actuality. You need to feed to go back to stage 3 and wait the hour and a half for the stage 4 actual reduction.

The damage is coming from Bat Swarm. A Vampire (I myself do this) can cast Batswarm and then pop into mist form and still do damage to people. If you are stacking Ultimate cost reduction you can perma do this pretty much.

Completely counterable. The Ultimate cost reduction is where I would say some tweaks need to be made as a spammable Ultimate seems to go against the idea that it is an ultimate, not a regular ability.

cjtignub17_ESO

I know about the zone bug i feed to 3 and let it drop to 4 after 1.5 hrs to get my reduction buff (whcih is bs) I still felt it was rather expensive but perhaps I'm not as stacked as you are with magicka regen / regen abilities / reduction cost. Not sure about ur build.

I don't really think its any more spammable than other ultimates it still costs 50ish ultimate perhaps the nerf should be made in how fast you can gain ultimate. You can get non-vamp ultimates down to 80s (lower if emp) with ult reduction. And you can get 80 ultimate in a few seconds with the proper builds.

You can set up to:
Gain ultimate when you take any damage
Get ultimate on kills (you get like 20 ultimate back on player kills with alliance passive)
ultimate on feed
and so forth....
- Also if u drop a heal or two out there like mutagen thats another 20-30 ultimate very fast.

In my opinion, the issue isn't ultimate cost. the issue is how easy it is to gain ultimate, which I think is a non-issue because everyone can do it and you sorta gimp yourself if you focus on ultimate regen in exchange for other bonuses so its a personal decision.

Before people start saying it: The 4 ultimate cost was a photoshop the player already admitted to doing it on reddit but thats already been verified in a separate thread on these forums so i'll stay on the topic of mist form.

I think its a waste to pop bat swarm and go into mist. Mist is bugged as hell, doesn't do damage properly and doesn't make u immune to CCs. You do far more damage spamming pulsar or other aoes then turtling in mist form and doing a measley 200 dmg / sec. If people actually die to someone just spamming bat swarm whenever its up thats pretty pitiful.

Again a negate magic on the person and theres your paper to beat rock. (thats just 1 of a dozen ways to beat this build, which really is not OP compared to DK fire mage, DPS templar, and so forth....

feniks31_ESO

killedbyping wrote: »

Skill costs nearly 0 stamina

But my tooltip says it costs 547 magicka and Im on 4 stage just relogged so everything should work + I wear Seducer set

killedbyping

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

There is a lot of mis information given in this thread.

1.) I highly doubt anyone went into a zerg of people and killed them with just mist form. The skill is bugged and does NOT do 90 dmg every .5 seconds. During the entire mist form it will only tick about 3-4 times (also the range is VERY VERY TINY).

2.) You cannot cast mist form again while in mist form there is about a 1 second cooldown bc of animation effects before u can cast ANYTHING after using mist form including even a weapon swap.

3.) Mist form even with skill reduction and stage four is VERY VERY expensive to continually keep up.

In brief if someone goes into mist form they cannot really do anything, sure they are nearly invincible but again they cannot do crap so target and burn someone else until they pop out of mist form. They are no threat to you for the 4 secs in mist form as they are not donig any damage and they cannot get healed (the bat swarm no longer heals you in mist form this has been fixed).

The only use I even see for mist form is to help with running the scrolls back. Otherwise its a useless ability imo.

I am a vampire lvl 10 and have tested mistform extensively in pvp and pve. I tried popping it when low on health to run away but your still taking a decent amount of damage (especially since the undead passive is broken and does not work). If you pop it with 25% HP chances are you'll get nuked down by the end of mist form if not when its off your a sitting duck for that 1 second animation cooldown, espec if enemy popped a negate magic on ur location.

So you want to say this guy were using some sort of cheat then ?

What i wrote was not a something i think was happening, it was something that actualy happening and 4 people saw this.

No, there is NO cooldown after going out of Mist Form or any other skill like that. And YES this guy some how spammed Mist Form for much more times in a row then 4 times. I dont even know for sure how long he keept doing that, because i gave up chasing after 3 mins.

About cost of ability... it is a mistake on skills calculator, it says it uses stamina for some reason.

And YES, there IS a target like in WoW, dont misslead people please. Use TAB to see whats its look like. Its actualy pretty nice thing in combat, because you can see enemy even behind the rocks.
But for some reason we were unable to target him and Piercing Mark were dispelled from him all the time.
Well, piercing Mark actualy getting dispelled with many other skills which didnt suppose to do so (like Stealth morth which remove snares, it actualy remove mark aswell).

P.S. Also dont think you the only one good in this game. I also dont put EVERYTHING into dmg. My surviveability is ok. Beeing VR10 or beeing weared into full epic give you additional morth to your skills which makes them cheat like ? Haha.
And this guy wasnt even VR10. He was VR2 and this 4 ppl was also all VRs (dont remember exact ranks thou) so it was not like 4 noobs were trying to kill epic veteran.

matt29070

Learn to spell, insanely hard to read this laugh fest.

Teloran

You do realise that he still takes 25% damage and cannot attack OR block while using it? If you lose to someone spamming mistform then it's entirely your problem.

There's also no reason why you wouldn't be able to target him. The skill does absolutely nothing mechanically to stop you. Just point you cursor at him and attack.

NordJitsu

@Teloran‌

Except he can cast Bat Swarm, go into Mist Form, and still do damage.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

As I said everywhere on the forum bat swarm isn't the issue, Akaviri set 20% ult reduction and emperor ridiculus 200% ult gain are the issue. Remove those from the game and there will be a full opening time to kill them as they will need to take a rest and regain ultimate before activating ult again, not to mention these buff ar highly damaging to the game balance for about all ultimate ability in the game (you think devouring swarm is broken, what of aedric spear ultimate or shooting star spam do you seriously think these wont be broken the moment someone gets the idea to specialise into them?). A normal pve vampire that stacks on Ult recovery can only cast the devouring swarm ult only once every 15 second at best as he need to spend the rest of his time using invigorating drain or spamming a ult recovery spell to make it ready again. If he use mist hes litteraly preventing himself from recovering the necessary ultimate to cast it again. In a normal situation where the emperor broken buff didn't exist or the akaviri set and seducer weren't ulti reducing options a vampire would have several second even in the best conditions during wich he would be utherly vulnerable to attack and wouldn't be able to simply spam mist without tasting a welcoming death blow from the greeting commity at the end of his mistform cast.

Another way to Prevent this mess would be to prevent the gain of ultimate during mist form by 100% so to force emperor vampire to fight out of it to be able to cast their ultimate

Whats armor your games is a armor set a crafting set and a *** broken in game passive ability granted to the emperor.. Fix these and the game will be fine again

SunfireKnight86

Teloran wrote: »

You do realise that he still takes 25% damage and cannot attack OR block while using it? If you lose to someone spamming mistform then it's entirely your problem.

There's also no reason why you wouldn't be able to target him. The skill does absolutely nothing mechanically to stop you. Just point you cursor at him and attack.

Can't hit him if you can't target/see him and he's moving faster than a horse. Also outruns AoE. Try again.

Greiger

I agree with the op, I have an addon that tells me my damage and on more than one occasion a vampire went through volleys without taking a single point of damage.

Even if they do take damage and my addon just can't see it because of all the UI elements disappearing for vamps, and confusing the API, there's still vamps grabbing scrolls and using mist form to outrun any interception attempts and go faster than a scroll carrier was clearly intended to go. Why disallow horses when you can go just as fast with mist form?

The skill is overpowered in the PvP environment, if you think otherwise you are kidding yourself.

Oh and there is a tab targeting system, but folks don't use it very often because it's easier to point and click. And guess what? It drops when yer targeting a vamp that enters mist form.

Botak

My vampire is rank 4. When I use mist form in pve I keep getting hit even if I took only 25% of the incoming damage. Life saver if there's like 4 npc hitting me but then I can't be healed either.

never try it in pvp. So it's like nightblade invisible? just gone poof and can't be targeted?

blackwolf7

You cant abuse mistform because currently, when you zone in, the cost goes back to 100% even if you have vamp stage 4 buff. The only way to fix this is to feed and return to stage 3 and wait 1.5hours to go back to stage 4.

So in that 1.5hours he cant spam mist and ult you can easily kill vampires with fire and silverbolt attacks. Easy as that.