Don't like Emp Farming? Show me...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

This is why we can't have nice things. It's disappointing.

rammstein2001pub18_ESO · July 2014

leewells wrote: »

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

No, the Chinese did. It was called, "falling on one's sword".

GunemCleric wrote: »

you admitted to farming and collusion

Oh, the misdirection and manipulations, what insanity.

Let me get that quote for you that you are referring to...

leewells wrote: »

Malvokian wrote: »

Divine Reapers

Yes, I must admit, as the GM of Divine Reapers, we do conspire with AD to give us Emp, though we've only crowned a grand total of 5 while the faction has crowned somewhere in the range of 12, it was all us. We even psychically convinced DC not to join in the fight at all, and then we convinced the game Devs to give us the title without actually being crowned.

Seriously dude, how about you take your personal grudges to tells? (Seriously, if you knew the dynamic between DR and Alacrity, you wouldn't have just gone full ***)

GunemCleric wrote: »

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

Just for clarity, you're saying that because I attack hypocrisy indiscriminately (anywhere I find it in these forums) I'm therefor guilty of all issues I've attacked against? You realize why the USA has a first amendment?

I called you out on your manipulative (snip) though, and I noticed you failed to reply even though the last edit was hours ago. I've never been an emp farmer.. In fact, I JUST got emp for the first time 2 days ago... Oh wait, and I still have it! So, if you want the emp farming to go on, then by all means, do nothing, change the subject, keep making your accusations and championing a mob bandwagon, and it will flip, and it will flip right back because we are homed there and are there to WIN the campaign. Stop the AD farmers and there will be no farming. Its time to ante up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming & Profanity]

i suggest you watch these two video's leewells .. sit on it and really think about your history

youtube.com/watch?v=W1RO93OS0Sk

youtube.com/watch?v=hp_c8-CfZtg

Mousmoula · July 2014

lillyaustin wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

All you that oppose emp farming, real emp farming -- those people that flip emp as fast as they can; they're now on Chrysmere, AD and DC and trying to flip the inner keeps as fast as they can.

If you're AD or DC, guest and get points on each other to lock up the leaderboards.

If you're EP, we're needing a lot of help fighting them both off.

Your help is appreciated.

priceless considering:

logging off/guesting elsewhere when it's the other factions turn IS sabotaging your alliance - you are purposely leaving the campaign, to let your now outnumbered alliance struggle to defend against the emp farmers on the other alliancewho 'just happened' to show up when it was their turn

why? so that the keeps can be flipped as fast as they can - the exact same thing you are now asking for help to prevent - i don't know whether to laugh or show pity

you want help to defend your crown? - knock yourself out

now that you have your titles and you see the circle jerking collusion going on when you're the 'legit player', you're cying for folks to come to your help - sorry buddy

you poo'd in your own bed - now sleep in it (actually you poo'd in OUR bed (Celarus) - went back to your own bed (Chrysamere) and now are offended by other folks who poo and don't clean up after themselves) - seems to me some infants could use a lesson or two in potty training and how to control themselves

D.

p.s. it was pointed out to you and many others in numerous threads several weeks ago that the emp farmimg was going to ruin PvP - you emp farmers laughed at us, called us carebears, whiners and whatever

fact of the matter is we are none of the above - just a bunch of folks who have a ton of experience playing mmo's and could see the writing on the wall when you guys started this

with your collective emp farming behaviour and FPS issues am not sure PvP recovers in the forseeable future - guess we'll see what happens when the new campaigns release in update 1.3 at the end of this month

Ok. So let me get this straight. You come into this thread and read the OP and you decide oh goody, this guy again, let me type a little reply. So you scroll back through pages and pages of the Alliance War forum looking for one particular thread and oh, there it is. Closed on June 12th, that must be it. Now let's scroll through all the pages until I find the exact quote I want to use here to back up what I'm about to say. Ah, there it is. Posted on June 11th. Ok, now lets take this tiny little paragraph from it and stick this in right here. Good, looks excellent. Now I can get on with my post, seeing as Ive done my research. This guy must be an emp farmer and look, I found my proof. Ok. Final touches done, posting comment.

Pathetic, heh? I know...Well, it surely is better than going around losing time to read posts and answer repeatedly about a game that you have unsubbed.... Which again is much better than having a spoiled, crying for attention, 15 years old teenager's attitude, like: Now, I'll show you daddy, I'm going to wear that really short mini skirt that pisses you off (= Bad Zos, I unsubbed and everyone in forum is going to know. There,I'll put it in my signature...).

apostate9 · July 2014

lillyaustin wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@lillyaustin‌

since we agree on point 1 no comment

point 2 is a statement i made - it wasn't an echo of OP

point 3 - in terms of time of the quote - you assume it took me ages of digging and grubbing through old posts because i have too much time on my hands/nothing better to do, here's how it's done (took about 90 seconds):
click on person's name - click on the 'comments' section on their page - scroll down until you see the 'title' of the thread you know the post was in - done

he was farming in celarus, my home campaign - so yeah - 110% sure - as you can see by his on words - my post was because of the humorous irony of a keep flipping emp farmer complaining about keep flipping emp farmers and asking for help

(also that some AD emp farm is not in question - not sure why you bring it up - emp farmers exist in ALL factions)

glad you're overwhelmed by point 4 because it seemed lost on you originally

ty for your appraisal of my posts

D.

1. Cool.
2. Noted.
3. Since this entire thread is about assuming things, yeah, I assumed as much. I don't stalk other people's profiles so I was unaware you could use such a tool to locate a specific post. Noted for future.
4. I am aware of what happened in Celarus and who you were on that campaign at the particular time in question. I saw things with my own eyes. I do not need a re-hash of the past, yet again. I think its time you learned to let it go. That campaign time has passed, move forward and focus on your current one.
5. Actually the reason I keep bringing up the AD is because it actually is relevant, since unlike you, I am talking about the current situation in Chrysamere and not an old campaign. This particular AD guild that I am referring to is the very and only guild that is trying to farm emperor on Chrysamere. That is very relevant to this thread.
6. Well, seeing as you didn't get the sarcasm I think I'll leave it here.

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Thank you for this thread! A guild that came to ruin my home server as a criminal targets a victim and to do so in the most vile and reprehensible terms has now come to the forums seeking help to undo the tidal wave of abuses that they themselves unleashed. Sounds like the chickens have come home to roost.

Ok, I'm confused. Are you talking about something on Chrysamere? Because if you are indeed referring to said campaign I don't know where the hell you've been but if you were actually active there you'd know the truth. Again, another one who assumes things in this thread. It's becoming an epidemic.

He wasn't even active before you showed up. This guy spent 90 days touring the South Morrowind Gate and now he's an expert. Hilarious.

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant‌

'we just expedite the process'

lol

no further comment Your Honor

D.

p.s. the 'leaving and returning' isn't in reference to somebody abdicating and then returning to help his guild mates - it specifically refers to leaving the campaign and keeps undefended and then returning when the next emperor rotation is up - oftentimes under an hour

Dear God... expediting PVP leveling [snip].

You don't sit there either a) twiddling your thumbs or b) getting farmed so the other side is all set to farm. You go guest. Your problem is you're trying to tell everyone how to play the game they pay for. If they don't play exactly as you see it, its wrong, an exploit and you've lost TONS of support in your corner for this. And when I say you, I mean all the "farming" radicals out there that believes that unless you play 24/7 to defend your throne you are a farmer. [snip]. Plain and simple, no better than a real Chineese farmer being paid real money to flip emp. It is your dictation and drama that has caused a LOT of great players to already unsub to this game so now the only people you have left is your little cult that can't even stop the farmers and the farmers themselves which seems to be the dominating force in PVP these days. Good luck with them btw, you won't have to worry about me trying to stop them now.

But you know what the true irony here is? If actions speak louder than words, our guild has crowned a grand total (from the beginning of PVP) 6 emperors. The farm must be real as [snip]. Our guild has also participated in one exploit in which when we found it was an exploit, we reported it and STOPPED. The exploiting must be real as [snip] too.

Tell me, how does it feel to be so wrong? That's a rhetorical question because I frankly don't care. PVP, exploiting, and farming is your problem now, I'm out. But, best of luck with it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments

leewells · July 2014

rammstein2001pub18_ESO wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

No, the Chinese did. It was called, "falling on one's sword".

GunemCleric wrote: »

you admitted to farming and collusion

Oh, the misdirection and manipulations, what insanity.

Let me get that quote for you that you are referring to...

leewells wrote: »

Malvokian wrote: »

Divine Reapers

Yes, I must admit, as the GM of Divine Reapers, we do conspire with AD to give us Emp, though we've only crowned a grand total of 5 while the faction has crowned somewhere in the range of 12, it was all us. We even psychically convinced DC not to join in the fight at all, and then we convinced the game Devs to give us the title without actually being crowned.

Seriously dude, how about you take your personal grudges to tells? (Seriously, if you knew the dynamic between DR and Alacrity, you wouldn't have just gone full ***)

GunemCleric wrote: »

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

Just for clarity, you're saying that because I attack hypocrisy indiscriminately (anywhere I find it in these forums) I'm therefor guilty of all issues I've attacked against? You realize why the USA has a first amendment?

I called you out on your manipulative (snip) though, and I noticed you failed to reply even though the last edit was hours ago. I've never been an emp farmer.. In fact, I JUST got emp for the first time 2 days ago... Oh wait, and I still have it! So, if you want the emp farming to go on, then by all means, do nothing, change the subject, keep making your accusations and championing a mob bandwagon, and it will flip, and it will flip right back because we are homed there and are there to WIN the campaign. Stop the AD farmers and there will be no farming. Its time to ante up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming & Profanity]

i suggest you watch these two video's leewells .. sit on it and really think about your history

youtube.com/watch?v=W1RO93OS0Sk

youtube.com/watch?v=hp_c8-CfZtg

Right, you just proved you are a talking head.

Dleatherus · July 2014

@leewells‌

if you're going to come back and respond to a quote over a week old at least get it right - here is the entire sentence, from earlier in this thread

Hell yes we leave and come back, you'd be a complete fool not to do that for fellow guild mates. There's a timer for it anyways, we just expedite the process.

Observant's comment specifically referred to the abdication part of the emperor farming stating that there was a timer in place, NOT pvp levelling as you now claim - another perfect example of you twisting and turning things to suit your needs and situation

the rest of your rant about me being worse than a paid chinese farmer, that not just mine, but many other people's opposition to the systematic emperor farming has caused many great players to unsub, that because we oppose systematic emperor farming we are a cult etc is so ridiculous doesn't even merit a response

D.

p.s. a forum mod editing your post without being asked to says enough about your opinions, and how you choose to express them

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

if you're going to come back and respond to a quote over a week old at least get it right - here is the entire sentence, from earlier in this thread

Hell yes we leave and come back, you'd be a complete fool not to do that for fellow guild mates. There's a timer for it anyways, we just expedite the process.

I'll answer for him -- When we were deposed, we dropped emp. Nothing to hide there. I've always stated this, but I don't believe for this reason alone that this is farming emp.

Yeah, there is a timer to change your home and you can expedite the process of coming back by guesting. But we do all come back because we are there to win the campaign, not farm emp.

Dleatherus wrote: »

Observant's comment specifically referred to the abdication part of the emperor farming stating that there was a timer in place, NOT pvp levelling as you now claim - another perfect example of you twisting and turning things to suit your needs and situation

Yep, because you tried to make it sound like it was a full-own emp farm and when we left the campaign and all guested elsewhere that we were criminal for doing it when farmers were over-running a server.

Dleatherus wrote: »

the rest of your rant about me being worse than a paid chinese farmer, that not just mine, but many other people's opposition to the systematic emperor farming has caused many great players to unsub, that because we oppose systematic emperor farming we are a cult etc is so ridiculous doesn't even merit a response

Yet, you had to put your fingers on the keyboard to respond. Funny how that works. As I said as well, "radical" which you are. If people don't earn emp exactly the way you do or the way you want, by locking the top of the leader-board with the emp buff and having several people playing that character 24/7 for as long as possible ergo they are farmers is just as bad as a chineese farmer ideals that they have the right to disrupt a server for profit.

Droping emp to the next person in line is a choice that should be left to the person that earns it (by playing the game as it should and not farming; ie killing friends on the other side while they're naked to bolster your rank)

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Dleatherus · July 2014

@leewells‌

are you accusing me of:

If people don't earn emp exactly the way you do, by locking the top of the leader-board with the emp buff and having several people playing that character 24/7 for as long as possible

D.

p.s.

i did not respond to those particular allegations that you had made in your earlier post - your anger and flawed logic that is reflected in almost every post you make speaks for itself

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

are you accusing me of:

If people don't earn emp exactly the way you do, by locking the top of the leader-board with the emp buff and having several people playing that character 24/7 for as long as possible

D.

You either have that crowd of emperors or you have the crowd that drops it; because the emp that doesn't do that and tries to hold it, is soon passed by the guy that lets 3 people play his account. This is on every server. The emp is always online, the emp has a MASSIVE ap gap between himself and the one below him. The only servers this doesn't happen on is farm servers and servers like we were on where we would drop emp rather than locking the boards up making it impossible for others to get it.

Oh, I just realized lol. You never asked what our motivations were for doing this. I bet you never considered the sportsmanship end of it, eh? I bet you never asked if we were advocates for former emp buff being removed, eh? If I had to guess, you have been assuming a lot of stuff.

But I see you're still ignoring the "actions speak louder than words" bit, because you can't argue with it and you don't want to say, "I was wrong, guess you guys really weren't farmers after-all".

PS We have had the time and resources to crown over 72 emperors since 90 days ago. FYI.

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

are you accusing me of:

If people don't earn emp exactly the way you do, by locking the top of the leader-board with the emp buff and having several people playing that character 24/7 for as long as possible

D.

p.s.

i did not respond to those particular allegations that you had made in your earlier post - your anger and flawed logic that is reflected in almost every post you make speaks for itself

Yeah, when folks are accused of doing something they despise, it tends to make them a little angry. Get over yourself already.

Dleatherus · July 2014

@leewells‌

you didn't answer my simple and specific question asking if you were accusing me of having multiple people play on my account

D.

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

you didn't answer my simple and specific question asking if you were accusing me of having multiple people play on my account

D.

I accused "your crowd". If you want to know if I'm accusing you of anything then how about you be forthcoming and specifying whether or not you fit the shoe I described:

1. Are you emperor?
2. Is your account online 24/7
3. Do you have more than 200% ap than the next guy below you?

If you answered all of the above as "yes" then, the answer is indeed, "yes", I'm accusing you of having multiple people play your account.

Dleatherus · July 2014

leewells wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

you didn't answer my simple and specific question asking if you were accusing me of having multiple people play on my account

D.

I accused "your crowd". If you want to know if I'm accusing you of anything then how about you be forthcoming and specifying whether or not you fit the shoe I described:

1. Are you emperor?
2. Is your account online 24/7
3. Do you have more than 200% ap than the next guy below you?

If you answered all of the above as "yes" then, the answer is indeed, "yes", I'm accusing you of having multiple people play your account.

you were wise to backpedal and change it to 'your crowd' instead of the original 'you'

1. both of my toons have been emperor
2. my account is not online 24/7
3. i have never had more than 200% ap than the guy below me

with all due respect, you are not worth trying to hold a discussion with since as mentioned not just by me, but many people in this thread i don't know, that you are full of it, you turn things around after the fact etc.

as i stated before in this thread i reserve the right to return to this thread and respond to false and idiotic claims

ty and have a nice day

D.

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

you didn't answer my simple and specific question asking if you were accusing me of having multiple people play on my account

D.

I accused "your crowd". If you want to know if I'm accusing you of anything then how about you be forthcoming and specifying whether or not you fit the shoe I described:

1. Are you emperor?
2. Is your account online 24/7
3. Do you have more than 200% ap than the next guy below you?

If you answered all of the above as "yes" then, the answer is indeed, "yes", I'm accusing you of having multiple people play your account.

you were wise to backpedal and change it to 'your crowd' instead of the original 'you'

1. both of my toons have been emperor
2. my account is not online 24/7
3. i have never had more than 200% ap than the guy below me

with all due respect, you are not worth trying to hold a discussion with since as mentioned not just by me, but many people in this thread i don't know, that you are full of it, you turn things around after the fact etc.

as i stated before in this thread i reserve the right to return to this thread and respond to false and idiotic claims

ty and have a nice day

D.

How is that backpeddling when I clearly stated:

leewells wrote: »

And when I say you, I mean all the "farming" radicals out there that believes that unless you play 24/7 to defend your throne you are a farmer.

We agree about one thing -- I'd rather be discussing this topic with my dog, at least he pretends to listen and understand without immediately jumping to conclusions and barking accusations.

You have still avoided the actions speak louder than words bit. Yet another talking head.

Daunting · July 2014

Wait...your dog can bark accusations? You may want to see a psychiatrist about that, Dr. Dolittle. Considering the amount of replies this has got, I'd say people are listening. We just all know you're full of crap.

Dleatherus · July 2014

@leewells‌

the entire paragraph where that came from:

let's dissect it:
"you put your fingers" - directed at me specifcally - unless you are trying to tell me my whole 'crowd' was sitting at the keyboard typing with me?
' "radical" which you are' - not 'radicals', or 'which you all are' - again singular - addressing me specifically
the 'they' refers to the 'several people' that would be playing on MY (singular) account, were that to be the case

if YOU (singular) wanted to then change the meaning of 'you' (me, singular) in that clip to 'you' plural, YOU (singular) should have at least started another paragraph

bringing in a clip from another post to where 'you' was used in the plural form is another example of how you (singular) twist and turn things to suit you (singular)

as for avoiding the 'actions speak louder than words bit' - you're kidding right? - this whole thread has been about how hilarious your initial words in the OP given your actions and words regarding what you did in Celarus and spoke about it afterwards

reread the entire thread if you like - but do me a favor - look at your words, pretend somebody else wrote them, and tell me with a straight face that they don't contradict each other as the thread eveolves - if you do that you'll bust a gut laughing at the ridiculousness of it

again, ty and have a nice day

D.

Dleatherus · July 2014

@nukeyoo‌

careful - though i don't know you - i wouldn't want to see you being accused as part of the 'crowd' of chinese emperor farmers who are part of a cult and have chased many great players away from the game

D.

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apostate9 · July 2014

leewells wrote: »

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

No, the Chinese did. It was called, "falling on one's sword".

GunemCleric wrote: »

you admitted to farming and collusion

Oh, the misdirection and manipulations, what insanity.

Let me get that quote for you that you are referring to...

leewells wrote: »

Malvokian wrote: »

Divine Reapers

Yes, I must admit, as the GM of Divine Reapers, we do conspire with AD to give us Emp, though we've only crowned a grand total of 5 while the faction has crowned somewhere in the range of 12, it was all us. We even psychically convinced DC not to join in the fight at all, and then we convinced the game Devs to give us the title without actually being crowned.

Seriously dude, how about you take your personal grudges to tells? (Seriously, if you knew the dynamic between DR and Alacrity, you wouldn't have just gone full ***)

GunemCleric wrote: »

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

Just for clarity, you're saying that because I attack hypocrisy indiscriminately (anywhere I find it in these forums) I'm therefor guilty of all issues I've attacked against? You realize why the USA has a first amendment?

I called you out on your manipulative (snip) though, and I noticed you failed to reply even though the last edit was hours ago. I've never been an emp farmer.. In fact, I JUST got emp for the first time 2 days ago... Oh wait, and I still have it! So, if you want the emp farming to go on, then by all means, do nothing, change the subject, keep making your accusations and championing a mob bandwagon, and it will flip, and it will flip right back because we are homed there and are there to WIN the campaign. Stop the AD farmers and there will be no farming. Its time to ante up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming & Profanity]

Apparently "Big Boys and Girls" also guest into smaller campaigns with their whole cult-of-personality in order to "get the crown for my friend"....leave the walls down as you go and then take off. If you really want to project the image of being anti-farming, you may not want to announce your intentions to emp farm in zone chat.

So to break your post down, superstar leaders, (giants among men like yourself) smurf campaigns and make a headlong run for the inner keeps on behalf of a shady local who can't get it himself. And this isn't emp farming...because you did it. It's not like Leewells helping a guild-mate out, this is *totally different*. It is only emp farming when THEY do it. Whoever THEY are. And to think you can criticize Leewells without bursting into flames. The rampant hypocrisy on these boards is simply staggering.

If indeed we are going to play by the rule that "all is fair in love and war" then we *all* need to play by it. Hackers are cheating. Exploiting a confirmed bug is cheating. Letting your crown lapse so the next in line (who got the #2 spot for a reason) can have it...is simply not. It is playing by the real rules, not "my internal head rules", and if it is indeed shady, then you are right there with him. I have screenshots from Chrysamere to prove it.

leewells · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

the entire paragraph where that came from:

let's dissect it:
"you put your fingers" - directed at me specifcally - unless you are trying to tell me my whole 'crowd' was sitting at the keyboard typing with me?
' "radical" which you are' - not 'radicals', or 'which you all are' - again singular - addressing me specifically
the 'they' refers to the 'several people' that would be playing on MY (singular) account, were that to be the case

if YOU (singular) wanted to then change the meaning of 'you' (me, singular) in that clip to 'you' plural, YOU (singular) should have at least started another paragraph

bringing in a clip from another post to where 'you' was used in the plural form is another example of how you (singular) twist and turn things to suit you (singular)

as for avoiding the 'actions speak louder than words bit' - you're kidding right? - this whole thread has been about how hilarious your initial words in the OP given your actions and words regarding what you did in Celarus and spoke about it afterwards

reread the entire thread if you like - but do me a favor - look at your words, pretend somebody else wrote them, and tell me with a straight face that they don't contradict each other as the thread eveolves - if you do that you'll bust a gut laughing at the ridiculousness of it

again, ty and have a nice day

D.

You see, this is the perfect example of your problem in assuming things. Case in point.

apostate9 wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

No, the Chinese did. It was called, "falling on one's sword".

GunemCleric wrote: »

you admitted to farming and collusion

Oh, the misdirection and manipulations, what insanity.

Let me get that quote for you that you are referring to...

leewells wrote: »

Malvokian wrote: »

Divine Reapers

Yes, I must admit, as the GM of Divine Reapers, we do conspire with AD to give us Emp, though we've only crowned a grand total of 5 while the faction has crowned somewhere in the range of 12, it was all us. We even psychically convinced DC not to join in the fight at all, and then we convinced the game Devs to give us the title without actually being crowned.

Seriously dude, how about you take your personal grudges to tells? (Seriously, if you knew the dynamic between DR and Alacrity, you wouldn't have just gone full ***)

GunemCleric wrote: »

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

Just for clarity, you're saying that because I attack hypocrisy indiscriminately (anywhere I find it in these forums) I'm therefor guilty of all issues I've attacked against? You realize why the USA has a first amendment?

I called you out on your manipulative (snip) though, and I noticed you failed to reply even though the last edit was hours ago. I've never been an emp farmer.. In fact, I JUST got emp for the first time 2 days ago... Oh wait, and I still have it! So, if you want the emp farming to go on, then by all means, do nothing, change the subject, keep making your accusations and championing a mob bandwagon, and it will flip, and it will flip right back because we are homed there and are there to WIN the campaign. Stop the AD farmers and there will be no farming. Its time to ante up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming & Profanity]

Apparently "Big Boys and Girls" also guest into smaller campaigns with their whole cult-of-personality in order to "get the crown for my friend"....leave the walls down as you go and then take off. If you really want to project the image of being anti-farming, you may not want to announce your intentions to emp farm in zone chat.

So to break your post down, superstar leaders, (giants among men like yourself) smurf campaigns and make a headlong run for the inner keeps on behalf of a shady local who can't get it himself. And this isn't emp farming...because you did it. It's not like Leewells helping a guild-mate out, this is *totally different*. It is only emp farming when THEY do it. Whoever THEY are. And to think you can criticize Leewells without bursting into flames. The rampant hypocrisy on these boards is simply staggering.

If indeed we are going to play by the rule that "all is fair in love and war" then we *all* need to play by it. Hackers are cheating. Exploiting a confirmed bug is cheating. Letting your crown lapse so the next in line (who got the #2 spot for a reason) can have it...is simply not. It is playing by the real rules, not "my internal head rules", and if it is indeed shady, then you are right there with him. I have screenshots from Chrysamere to prove it.

Perfectly unintelligent in summary. I don't leave walls down. I don't talk to the other side to flip emp as fast as possible -- have I ever been a sport and told the other side I was leaving so they could get their home keeps back after our side decimated them for 2-5 hours straight? Maybe. But I've never done ANYTHING that contributes to the other side taking the emp keeps faster unless we were up against farmers and had no chance but to let them farm us. In this case we would just leave out of utter refusal to give them one single point to get more of their guys in the leaderboards to perpetuate their farming.

Do we drop emp as you said to the next person in line? Yep. I've never denied this and I never will. As per my previous posts where I said we were "farming" emp was exactly what this was referring to as people were trying to call this act of being a sport and passing emp to others so they can have a shot at it "farming" when imo its not. Farming refers to the industrialized way of getting something beneficial as fast as possible. I didn't care if the current emp had it for an hour or two weeks. I also didn't care if he kept it or dropped it. If you were on Chrysmere you would also know this and have screenshots (heck I have video) of me plainly stating in zone chat that we'll drop it to anyone -- and we don't care what their intentions were as we respect the CHOICE of the current sitting emp to do with it as he pleases being he/she earned that position.

As far as abdicating the throne, no, its not exploiting -- else the message wouldn't exist because the developer's wouldn't have PLANNED AHEAD FOR IT to place the message there in the first place.

apostate9 · July 2014

leewells wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

the entire paragraph where that came from:

let's dissect it:
"you put your fingers" - directed at me specifcally - unless you are trying to tell me my whole 'crowd' was sitting at the keyboard typing with me?
' "radical" which you are' - not 'radicals', or 'which you all are' - again singular - addressing me specifically
the 'they' refers to the 'several people' that would be playing on MY (singular) account, were that to be the case

if YOU (singular) wanted to then change the meaning of 'you' (me, singular) in that clip to 'you' plural, YOU (singular) should have at least started another paragraph

bringing in a clip from another post to where 'you' was used in the plural form is another example of how you (singular) twist and turn things to suit you (singular)

as for avoiding the 'actions speak louder than words bit' - you're kidding right? - this whole thread has been about how hilarious your initial words in the OP given your actions and words regarding what you did in Celarus and spoke about it afterwards

reread the entire thread if you like - but do me a favor - look at your words, pretend somebody else wrote them, and tell me with a straight face that they don't contradict each other as the thread eveolves - if you do that you'll bust a gut laughing at the ridiculousness of it

again, ty and have a nice day

D.

You see, this is the perfect example of your problem in assuming things. Case in point.

apostate9 wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

No, the Chinese did. It was called, "falling on one's sword".

GunemCleric wrote: »

you admitted to farming and collusion

Oh, the misdirection and manipulations, what insanity.

Let me get that quote for you that you are referring to...

leewells wrote: »

Malvokian wrote: »

Divine Reapers

Yes, I must admit, as the GM of Divine Reapers, we do conspire with AD to give us Emp, though we've only crowned a grand total of 5 while the faction has crowned somewhere in the range of 12, it was all us. We even psychically convinced DC not to join in the fight at all, and then we convinced the game Devs to give us the title without actually being crowned.

Seriously dude, how about you take your personal grudges to tells? (Seriously, if you knew the dynamic between DR and Alacrity, you wouldn't have just gone full ***)

GunemCleric wrote: »

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

Just for clarity, you're saying that because I attack hypocrisy indiscriminately (anywhere I find it in these forums) I'm therefor guilty of all issues I've attacked against? You realize why the USA has a first amendment?

I called you out on your manipulative (snip) though, and I noticed you failed to reply even though the last edit was hours ago. I've never been an emp farmer.. In fact, I JUST got emp for the first time 2 days ago... Oh wait, and I still have it! So, if you want the emp farming to go on, then by all means, do nothing, change the subject, keep making your accusations and championing a mob bandwagon, and it will flip, and it will flip right back because we are homed there and are there to WIN the campaign. Stop the AD farmers and there will be no farming. Its time to ante up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming & Profanity]

Apparently "Big Boys and Girls" also guest into smaller campaigns with their whole cult-of-personality in order to "get the crown for my friend"....leave the walls down as you go and then take off. If you really want to project the image of being anti-farming, you may not want to announce your intentions to emp farm in zone chat.

So to break your post down, superstar leaders, (giants among men like yourself) smurf campaigns and make a headlong run for the inner keeps on behalf of a shady local who can't get it himself. And this isn't emp farming...because you did it. It's not like Leewells helping a guild-mate out, this is *totally different*. It is only emp farming when THEY do it. Whoever THEY are. And to think you can criticize Leewells without bursting into flames. The rampant hypocrisy on these boards is simply staggering.

If indeed we are going to play by the rule that "all is fair in love and war" then we *all* need to play by it. Hackers are cheating. Exploiting a confirmed bug is cheating. Letting your crown lapse so the next in line (who got the #2 spot for a reason) can have it...is simply not. It is playing by the real rules, not "my internal head rules", and if it is indeed shady, then you are right there with him. I have screenshots from Chrysamere to prove it.

Perfectly unintelligent in summary. I don't leave walls down. I don't talk to the other side to flip emp as fast as possible -- have I ever been a sport and told the other side I was leaving so they could get their home keeps back after our side decimated them for 2-5 hours straight? Maybe. But I've never done ANYTHING that contributes to the other side taking the emp keeps faster unless we were up against farmers and had no chance but to let them farm us. In this case we would just leave out of utter refusal to give them one single point to get more of their guys in the leaderboards to perpetuate their farming.

Do we drop emp as you said to the next person in line? Yep. I've never denied this and I never will. As per my previous posts where I said we were "farming" emp was exactly what this was referring to as people were trying to call this act of being a sport and passing emp to others so they can have a shot at it "farming" when imo its not. Farming refers to the industrialized way of getting something beneficial as fast as possible. I didn't care if the current emp had it for an hour or two weeks. I also didn't care if he kept it or dropped it. If you were on Chrysmere you would also know this and have screenshots (heck I have video) of me plainly stating in zone chat that we'll drop it to anyone -- and we don't care what their intentions were as we respect the CHOICE of the current sitting emp to do with it as he pleases being he/she earned that position.

As far as abdicating the throne, no, its not exploiting -- else the message wouldn't exist because the developer's wouldn't have PLANNED AHEAD FOR IT to place the message there in the first place.

Ummm....I know. This was directed to Maris, not you. In fact, I think I defended you in this post several times, but if that makes me unintelligent...I will refrain in future. I think you need to read again.