Don't like Emp Farming? Show me...

GunemCleric

SirAndy wrote: »

Lets face it guys and gals, the Emperor title has completely lost its meaning and significance.

When was the last time you saw a "former emperor" and you were thinking to yourself "wow, that's cool".

pretty recently, but it was "wow, that's cool...easy kill"

SirAndy

GunemCleric wrote: »

pretty recently, but it was "wow, that's cool...easy kill"

My point exactly

Observant

Dleatherus wrote: »

*sigh* returning to answer this one since it's a lie, and i reserve the right to return to correct lies

nowhere did i say i have video of you and your guild emperor farming

i said we have video of EP players just standing there doing nothing - i did NOT state that it was you and your guild

ty

D.

Dleatherus wrote: »

TELL me how hard you defended your own keeps that didn't have either the inner or outer walls repaired - because I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend

Damn people and their "lying" eh? If that's not implying it, I don't know what is.

Agrippa_Invisus

SirAndy wrote: »

Lets face it guys and gals, the Emperor title has completely lost its meaning and significance.

When was the last time you saw a "former emperor" and you were thinking to yourself "wow, that's cool".

It's been some time. I've seen VR1s and level 31s with the title that no doubt participated in kill trading to get to the point they were in. Also, I've seen people who abdicate within minutes of receiving their crown.

I stopped wearing the title myself.

The guilds who promote, support, and push this activity should be disbanded, their officers banned, and the former emps in their guild banned along with them.

This farming also encourages the worst actions in people -- harassment, self sabotage, and exploiting.

Observant

NordJitsu wrote: »

Wow.

It's hilarious to see people defending Emp farming as if it were an intended mechanic.

When you get Emperor you're supposed to fight tooth and nail to keep it. Not drop the campaign or stop playing so people can catch up to you in points.

Whether or not ZOS classifies Emp trading as an exploit (ie. punishes it) its still cheesy as hell and ruining PvP.

Is leaving your home campaign and coming back instantaneously considered farming emperor? I would of thought aiding the other factions to help get emperor as quick as possible is, yes. But is simply resetting your AP score considered "Farming" or merely a brilliant tactic done by guilds looking at the long run of this game?

Jaxom

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Lets face it guys and gals, the Emperor title has completely lost its meaning and significance.

When was the last time you saw a "former emperor" and you were thinking to yourself "wow, that's cool".

It's been some time. I've seen VR1s and level 31s with the title that no doubt participated in kill trading to get to the point they were in. Also, I've seen people who abdicate within minutes of receiving their crown.

I stopped wearing the title myself.

The guilds who promote, support, and push this activity should be disbanded, their officers banned, and the former emps in their guild banned along with them.

This farming also encourages the worst actions in people -- harassment, self sabotage, and exploiting.

I know of a Level 38 that didnt get Emperor but was in the top 3 for AD in Celarus before this past reset. It's certainly in the realm of possibility that someone under VR1 could get the title. I know for a fact that this person did not kill trade or any other sketchy tactics. Just ALOT of playing.

I dont blame you for taking the title off. I'll never get the title, nor care (I only play 2-3 hours a day) and certainly wouldnt wear it either. It's sad what it's become. The second I see the title, my gut instinct is, oh look, another farmer. That shouldnt be my reaction. It should be, HOLY CRAP, this person clearly takes PvP seriously and I need to be careful. It's currently a joke.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

They should remove the buff given by becoming a former emp.

Huckdabuck

Observant wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

TELL me how hard you defended your own keeps that didn't have either the inner or outer walls repaired - because I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend

Damn people and their "lying" eh? If that's not implying it, I don't know what is.

Maybe you should change your username. I mean....read the words...they are quiet clear and concise.

Tell me how hard you defend your own keeps that didn't have either the inner or outter walls repair (pause) because I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend.

Questions asked - 1
Observations given - 1
Fingers pointed - 0

Where is there an implication of it being anyone other than just some randoms? Tin foil is amazing I hear.

Skaald

The irony of the OP's statement is pretty funny. I campaign on Celarus so its even funnier given the TS talk I heard from his group at the time. Something along the lines of: "there's AD attacking the keep...no..no..no...stop attacking them...we're not suppose to attack them!"

Now, in all fairness, I don't think his group was necessarily the driving factor behind the Emp farming idea...and they were certainly not alone in partaking in it...but still the irony of coming on here like this is just too funny for me not to comment.

I've also witnessed & reported worse Emp farming behavior from other players on Celarus, i.e., chaining enemies into your keep so they can take down the inner walls. So all in all the title isn't worth much anymore.

And in defense of ZoS...I think most of the balance issues that they have had stem from the fact that they were not ready for so many mmo type players who spend all of their time looking for ways to break the game to their advantage.

Magister_Aena

I used to lead the AD on Chrysamere. Once the campaigns reset, all three factions saw emp farmers joining them, which led to the honest players quitting and going to Dawnbreaker. I miss Chrysamere, but I'd say leave it for the crows to pick on until the devs do something about emp farming. If it gets too terrible on Chrysamere, there could be something similar to the takedown of Casuale's forty-day reign (one of the best moments in AvA for me).

heng14rwb17_ESO

Ok guys, there is 4 methods discuss in this post on how to 'trade/rotate/shift/farm' emp title.
1. Work with the enemy faction to flip the keeps as fast as possible.
2. Current emp abdicated, and after 48hrs,a new emp will be crown.
3. Disappear from the campaign and after a enemy emp has been crown,take over the keeps to make your side emp again.
4. Come to forum and hope enough people will join u to make your side emp again.

Sighlynce

Skaald wrote: »

The irony of the OP's statement is pretty funny. I campaign on Celarus so its even funnier given the TS talk I heard from his group at the time. Something along the lines of: "there's AD attacking the keep...no..no..no...stop attacking them...we're not suppose to attack them!"

Now, in all fairness, I don't think his group was necessarily the driving factor behind the Emp farming idea...and they were certainly not alone in partaking in it...but still the irony of coming on here like this is just too funny for me not to comment.

I've also witnessed & reported worse Emp farming behavior from other players on Celarus, i.e., chaining enemies into your keep so they can take down the inner walls. So all in all the title isn't worth much anymore.

And in defense of ZoS...I think most of the balance issues that they have had stem from the fact that they were not ready for so many mmo type players who spend all of their time looking for ways to break the game to their advantage.

Thank You .. You nailed it. I was playing in the DC Hopesfire campaign and having fun until I notice the /whispers for me 'to go away',' shoo' , /yelling ' let them come in' when I was trying to defend the keep . I'm paying for this game too and I'm also a part of that campaign and it really @#&^#% me off . I think that some of these campaigns are so empty that its easy to exploit them. Maybe everyone should be dumped into one campaign until its full and then on to the next one. And no jumping from one to the other . idk ... but i do know pvp is no fun now.

nukeyoo

Dear Diary,
My guild and I have tried valiantly to convince others that our shadiness in stealing cookies was actually righteousness. Unfortunately I don't think it's working; nor do I believe it is possible to get out of this hole we've put ourselves in.


There's one tried and true method of saving face left to attempt; we are going to blame Obama. He will accept our burden of guilt with no remorse.

Thanks Barack!

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

nukeyoo wrote: »

Dear Diary,
My guild and I have tried valiantly to convince others that our shadiness in stealing cookies was actually righteousness. Unfortunately I don't think it's working; nor do I believe it is possible to get out of this hole we've put ourselves in.


There's one tried and true method of saving face left to attempt; we are going to blame Obama. He will accept our burden of guilt with no remorse.

Thanks Barack!

I -knew- he was behind it!

leewells

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

No, the Chinese did. It was called, "falling on one's sword".

GunemCleric wrote: »

you admitted to farming and collusion

Oh, the misdirection and manipulations, what insanity.

Let me get that quote for you that you are referring to...

leewells wrote: »

Malvokian wrote: »

Divine Reapers

Yes, I must admit, as the GM of Divine Reapers, we do conspire with AD to give us Emp, though we've only crowned a grand total of 5 while the faction has crowned somewhere in the range of 12, it was all us. We even psychically convinced DC not to join in the fight at all, and then we convinced the game Devs to give us the title without actually being crowned.

Seriously dude, how about you take your personal grudges to tells? (Seriously, if you knew the dynamic between DR and Alacrity, you wouldn't have just gone full ***)

GunemCleric wrote: »

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

Just for clarity, you're saying that because I attack hypocrisy indiscriminately (anywhere I find it in these forums) I'm therefor guilty of all issues I've attacked against? You realize why the USA has a first amendment?

I called you out on your manipulative (snip) though, and I noticed you failed to reply even though the last edit was hours ago. I've never been an emp farmer.. In fact, I JUST got emp for the first time 2 days ago... Oh wait, and I still have it! So, if you want the emp farming to go on, then by all means, do nothing, change the subject, keep making your accusations and championing a mob bandwagon, and it will flip, and it will flip right back because we are homed there and are there to WIN the campaign. Stop the AD farmers and there will be no farming. Its time to ante up.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming & Profanity]

Skaald

@leewells‌

Lol...no your memory is way off.

To be honest, I enjoyed campaigning with you for a bit Chip...you had some fun tactics. But...the superior to everyone else attitude that your guild had was a bit much given you're all first in line to jump on whatever the latest exploit is. And believe me I got an ear full during my short time with you all...but we can leave it at that.

You're right about one thing though...I don't follow directions very well...and certainly not the ones that I don't agree with.

No hard feelings bro. If you need some help flipping keeps on Chrys I'm more than happy to lend a hand. I'm just in it for the fights anyhow.

GunemCleric

@leewells‌

I read your posts and linked and properly quoted and you result to name calling, non-arguments, and wall-o-text. Maybe you should look up rhetoric and formal/informal fallacies.

Keep on protesting your mistreatment no matter what you only make yourself look worse.

Skaald

@leewells‌

You know buddy...you're becoming less & less amusing. Threats about recordings & copied text? Please dude...snap out of it.

Here's some unsolicited advice for you:

• Don't cheat.
• Don't talk about how you cheated in TS.
• As a cheater, don't boast about your awesome exploits on the forums.
• When boasting on the forums don't edit your post over & over...its kind of cheating.

Or...just do whatever you want...just don't actually start believing your own BS because then no amount of advice will help.

• If you believe your own BS seek medical treatment immediately.

nukeyoo

Dear Diary,
Why don't they understand that we are good guys? Good guys stealing cookies is a good thing! The lack of comprehension of this obvious truth has left us with no other choice but to try and explain ourselves again and again in hopes of them understanding at some point.

We are the good guys! What we did is okay! Anybody else doing it is not because they are in fact bad guys because they are not us, who are good. I hope they help us good guys stop the bad cookie monsters.

This feeling that's been rising within me is uncomfortable and not welcome; I think I might be mad. I'll try and throw insulting remarks in hopes that it helps this feeling go away.

PocketNova

I think its time this thread was closed. This has turned into nothing but unfounded accusations flying around by everyone. Ya'll know this is the internet. Everyone seems to believe everything they read. Time to close it and everyone move on.

1nugam1

@lillyaustin‌
Guess what, they'll just start another and keep going and get that one closed too. They never fail to amaze me.

leewells

Skaald wrote: »

@leewells‌

Lol...no your memory is way off.

To be honest, I enjoyed campaigning with you for a bit Chip...you had some fun tactics. But...the superior to everyone else attitude that your guild had was a bit much given you're all first in line to jump on whatever the latest exploit is. And believe me I got an ear full during my short time with you all...but we can leave it at that.

You're right about one thing though...I don't follow directions very well...and certainly not the ones that I don't agree with.

No hard feelings bro. If you need some help flipping keeps on Chrys I'm more than happy to lend a hand. I'm just in it for the fights anyhow.

Enjoyed is not the way I would have worded it. Even while we were running training you seemed entirely annoyed that you were in pvp to begin with before we ever went to Celarus.

Exploits? Please. Do list them. Caltrops? Nope, even Agrippa would call you a liar there. Oil pots on the ground? Ok, you got caught me red-handed, when we were outnumbered 10 to 1 we would go in a tower and get as much ap as possible before we wiped after getting GM confirmation that "Oil pots damaging players while placed on the ground is working as intended".

Let me give you some advice:

1) never call evidence a threat -- it makes you look guilty, very guilty because any time evidence can ever be interpreted as a threat is if you're not the one telling the truth.

2) Never go against someone that just posted their video evidence with more accusations in kind

3) Yeah, you didn't like our attitude because you were high all the time and our raid leaders were getting very annoyed you couldn't even run in a straight line, or stack on the crown, or even stay with the group -- every single time we would stack and an enemy would get 75ft away you would run off die and then get all pissy we just let you die after being told to hold until the crown gives the go. So yeah, I can see how you would think we told you not to attack an enemy -- we've done it several times, at resources, keeps, etc. Its called ambushing. You and about 3 others were always giving issue, "Dan, where are you going?" -- "Ahh man, I'm just coming over here to kill this guy", "yeah man, I'm just finishing this guy off". "Dan, why are you dead?", "ahh man, sorry this guy I was trying to kill got me", "I was just ganked trying to get back to you guys" after we're trying NOT to let them know we were there. Talking about working with the other side, I seriously thought you had to be someone trying to give away our position every chance you got, because I didn't possibly think someone could be that bad at following directions and just leeching from a group -- that is until you posted here.

Lava_Croft

Turn the Former Emperor buff into a Title.
Disable guesting to other campaigns.
Make a special campaign for the tryhard Emperor farmers.

leewells

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Turn the Former Emperor buff into a Title.
Disable guesting to other campaigns.
Make a special campaign for the tryhard Emperor farmers.

Bolded, solves all.

Huckdabuck

leewells wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Turn the Former Emperor buff into a Title.
Disable guesting to other campaigns.
Make a special campaign for the tryhard Emperor farmers.

Bolded, solves all.

Fixed!

Skaald

@leewells‌

My god its too late for you...you already believe your own blatant lies. You're just straight making crap up. I barely spoke at all in TS up until the one night I went off on you guys because I didn't care for your pompous attitudes and I was, admittedly, under the influence that one night & one night only. I quit the guild the next day when you tried to act like you didn't deserve it lol. And if you were honest you would admit that you barely remember me at all instead of making-up all of this BS.

And no, those were not the things I had in mind regarding exploits. I was thinking more along the lines of, e.g., farming skill points (30-40 each I think you said?) in razaks wheel to name one...but I'm sure that's not really an exploit right? I'm sure you can justify it, and all those extra skill points don't really give you an unfair advantage over anyone anyhow right?

The game you're playing doesn't sound fun to me bro, but play the game any way you want. I seriously have no hard feelings toward you. And even though you're making-up crap about me and slandering me, I won't result to name calling...or call you a clown or anything like that. A cheater and a liar yes, but only because I think you technically fit that description too well...but calling you a clown is probably against the forum rules so I won't go there.

Btw: my offer still stands, so throw some camps up in Chrys and I'll come show you how its done.

Observant

This thread has gone absolutely out-of-hand hilarious; people have no idea who we are, what we do, and how we do it.

*grabs popcorn and waits anxiously to see what the zerglings come up with next*

ETA:

Observant wrote: »

• We capture any and all keeps
• When there’s nothing left to capture, we hop over to our guest campaign (who wouldn't?)
• When we get bored of our guest campaign or our Home campaign is active again, we go back.
• When we reach the top of the leaderboard and have a guild member below us that would like the title, we leave and come back, resetting our AP score on the leaderboards therefore pushing them into the emperor position.
• We don’t coordinate with the other factions

^ I don't know about you, but I'm preeeetty sure that ZOS would respect this. I couldn't give a rats *** about what uneducated pugs spew out in these forums.

leewells

Skaald wrote: »

My god its too late for you...you already believe your own blatant lies. You're just straight making crap up. I barely spoke at all in TS up until the one night I went off on you guys because I didn't care for your pompous attitudes and I was, admittedly, under the influence that one night & one night only. I quit the guild the next day when you tried to act like you didn't deserve it lol. And if you were honest you would admit that you barely remember me at all instead of making-up all of this BS.

You quit the guild the next morning because you didn't realize you were in the wrong TS3 channel the night before, no one heard you ask for group, plus the raid leader was waiting to see something in /zone or /guild chat saying you needed an invite and your response was that night, "No, I shouldn't have to say anything to get an invite, if I'm here you invite me". Who the hell is pompous again? We can't read your mind.

Skaald wrote: »

And no, those were not the things I had in mind regarding exploits. I was thinking more along the lines of, e.g., farming skill points (30-40 each I think you said?) in razaks wheel to name one...but I'm sure that's not really an exploit right? I'm sure you can justify it, and all those extra skill points don't really give you an unfair advantage over anyone anyhow right?

Right, it was 4 points, with 4 of us it was 16 total, we went through once and got the points, came back through and thought it was because we killed another mob, but it was the same one, we waited around to test the idea it was a new mob, we killed it, we got no point, we waited for the boss again we got the skill point, we bug reported it right there on the spot (yeah, exploiters always do this) and when we were done the mob spawned again -- we killed it and we exited the area (but we did get another skill point)

Can I justify it? Yeah, its like walking through a minefield and being unlucky enough to step on one -- that's the justification. But from all the PVP exploiting you said we were quick to jump on, you can only think up a PVE exploit that we've admitted to in TS3 that was stumbled upon by accident?

Skaald wrote: »

I seriously have no hard feelings toward you. A cheater and a liar yes

LOL, a video; I posted the video you can't wiggle yourself out of that hole -- check out June 9, 2014 7:27:41 on the stream. Go nuts

Skaald wrote: »

Btw: my offer still stands, so throw some camps up in Chrys and I'll come show you how its done.

We own the whole map.

NordJitsu

Observant wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Wow.

It's hilarious to see people defending Emp farming as if it were an intended mechanic.

When you get Emperor you're supposed to fight tooth and nail to keep it. Not drop the campaign or stop playing so people can catch up to you in points.

Whether or not ZOS classifies Emp trading as an exploit (ie. punishes it) its still cheesy as hell and ruining PvP.

Is leaving your home campaign and coming back instantaneously considered farming emperor? I would of thought aiding the other factions to help get emperor as quick as possible is, yes. But is simply resetting your AP score considered "Farming" or merely a brilliant tactic done by guilds looking at the long run of this game?

No. That's still farming.

You're doing it for the sake of minor statistical increases.

Emperor is supposed to be something you take and want to hold.

They need to remove the former Emperor buff all together.

Lava_Croft

The Emperor farming has reached the point where removing the Emperor and the accompanying buffs from the game entirely is probably the best course of action.

It's always sad to see such a nice feature get ruined.