Don't like Emp Farming? Show me...

Sapphy24

I so agree with what Dleatherus said.
You're sad excuses, you ruin pvp for legitimate people then cry foul.
My suggestion for you is.. umm, no damn it.. I can't say it but it starts with ........

Dleatherus

@lillyaustin‌

since we agree on point 1 no comment

point 2 is a statement i made - it wasn't an echo of OP

point 3 - in terms of time of the quote - you assume it took me ages of digging and grubbing through old posts because i have too much time on my hands/nothing better to do, here's how it's done (took about 90 seconds):
click on person's name - click on the 'comments' section on their page - scroll down until you see the 'title' of the thread you know the post was in - done

he was farming in celarus, my home campaign - so yeah - 110% sure - as you can see by his on words - my post was because of the humorous irony of a keep flipping emp farmer complaining about keep flipping emp farmers and asking for help

(also that some AD emp farm is not in question - not sure why you bring it up - emp farmers exist in ALL factions)

glad you're overwhelmed by point 4 because it seemed lost on you originally

ty for your appraisal of my posts

D.

apostate9

Observant wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant‌

fully comprehending - twist things as you will, we all know what happened on celarus, and @leewells and his guild's participation in it

shall i refer refer you back to exhibit #1 where he confesses

and so that I don't make wrong assumptions, am I to presume that you are in leewell's guild?

ty

D.

p.s. have read the TF article - easy to have folks agree with you when 'innocent' facts are presented and the 'damning' ones are omitted

Please, humor me, what did I leave out? Without the ungrounded accusation of "leaving so teh bad guys can take the inner keeps, so we can take them back" - It's getting really old, and I can't leave these forums feeling victorious when arguing with a Yak Bak.

@Dleatherus‌

not sure how you can even begin to say it's unfounded when leewells own words are "we log off or go guest elsewhere ... if other guilds want to defend the crown, knock yourselves out" and are exactly what physically happened on Celarus when he was there SO THAT KEEPS COULD BE FLIPPED AS FAST AS POSSIBLE

to respond with a juvenile 'our guild can pwn your guild' and 'yak bak' comments whilst ignoring the plain facts is an attempt to derail the thread, troll etc

the reason why i ask if you're in leewell's guild or not is for the simple fact i don't know you - and cannot comment 'blindly' - i can only comment to the first hand experience i have had with leewells and his guild, and our subsequent discussions

ty

D.

Yes we log off or transfer campaigns when all keeps and resources are secure, are you really that far into tunnel vision (ignorant for lack of a better term)? We're not going to stoop to the lowest of low and run scouting missions all day if that's what you wanted to hear? Why even have a guest campaign if people such as yourself are just going to complain?

Plain facts?

Here's some plain facts for ya, bud:

• We capture any and all keeps
• When there’s nothing left to capture, we hop over to our guest campaign
• When we get bored of our guest campaign or our Home campaign is active again, we go back.
• When we reach the top of the leaderboard and have a guild member below us that would like the title, we leave and come back, resetting our AP score on the leaderboards therefore pushing them into the emperor position.
• We don’t coordinate with the other factions
• I’m in leewells guild (but you didn’t need to know that)
• You’re very good at turning nothing into something

Wait...[scratches head dully] Could you repeat that...I don't get it. When the campaign is deader than Abraham Lincoln, you leave? And then...wait...when stuff starts to happen...you come back?...Brain...hurts....need to troll...can't figure out...why I'm mad....

leewells

Dleatherus wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant‌

fully comprehending - twist things as you will, we all know what happened on celarus, and @leewells and his guild's participation in it

shall i refer refer you back to exhibit #1 where he confesses

and so that I don't make wrong assumptions, am I to presume that you are in leewell's guild?

ty

D.

p.s. have read the TF article - easy to have folks agree with you when 'innocent' facts are presented and the 'damning' ones are omitted

Please, humor me, what did I leave out? Without the ungrounded accusation of "leaving so teh bad guys can take the inner keeps, so we can take them back" - It's getting really old, and I can't leave these forums feeling victorious when arguing with a Yak Bak.

@Dleatherus‌

not sure how you can even begin to say it's unfounded when leewells own words are "we log off or go guest elsewhere ... if other guilds want to defend the crown, knock yourselves out" and are exactly what physically happened on Celarus when he was there SO THAT KEEPS COULD BE FLIPPED AS FAST AS POSSIBLE

to respond with a juvenile 'our guild can pwn your guild' and 'yak bak' comments whilst ignoring the plain facts is an attempt to derail the thread, troll etc

the reason why i ask if you're in leewell's guild or not is for the simple fact i don't know you - and cannot comment 'blindly' - i can only comment to the first hand experience i have had with leewells and his guild, and our subsequent discussions

ty

D.

See bolded. While a huge troll, you feel for it rather perfectly and the point of the quote seems to escape you -- let me make it clear, dictation to people how they are to play the game is the problem; IE having no respect for the choices of others is a problem and your side of the camp is not free from it -- that side of the camp that are purist white knights hard emp for eternity camp. Telling people they "MUST" play this game to prevent any sort of name calling or admonishment -- you know what they call this word? Coercion.

You also never asked why we would log or go guest... Let me give you a big hint; 120 impulse spamming ad vs 20 of us. Sound like you would want to stick it out there? Oh and my favorite is when we would sit there staring at an empty campaign for 30mins to an hour.

Dleatherus

NOTE: this post now moderated by D.since the offending post by @Observant that included a totally false and made up quote to make it look like my words has been removed - ty forum moderators

D.

[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote and discussion]

ArcanusMagus

Thank you for this thread! A guild that came to ruin my home server as a criminal targets a victim and to do so in the most vile and reprehensible terms has now come to the forums seeking help to undo the tidal wave of abuses that they themselves unleashed. Sounds like the chickens have come home to roost.

ZOS_LenaicR

Hi there,

This thread has been moderated.

Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to insult other members of the community, and that even heated discussions should remain constructive and civil.

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leewells

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

i·ro·ny1
ˈīrənē,ˈiərnē/
noun
noun: irony

the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
"“Don't go overboard with the gratitude,” he rejoined with heavy irony"
synonyms: sarcasm, causticity, cynicism, mockery, satire, sardonicism More
"that note of irony in her voice"
antonyms: sincerity
a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.
plural noun: ironies
"the irony is that I thought he could help me"
synonyms: paradox, incongruity, incongruousness More
"the irony of the situation"
antonyms: logic
a literary technique, originally used in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's words or actions are clear to the audience or reader although unknown to the character.
adjective: dramatic

Speaking of irony, I have but one question for you...

WHILE FARMING EMP

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

you strengthen your Alliance by dropping out of the leaderboards.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The more people with the passive traits from the Emperor tree in an Alliance, the better it is for that Alliance.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The alliance gains nothing from crowning the same person over and over again.

AFTER YOU HAVE EMP

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

These [farmers] are the gamer equivalent of scum.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I stopped wearing my former tag. It's been tainted and destroyed by these [farmers].

So why the change of heart?

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant‌

you have made a false quote to support your argument - pretty low handed but expected from a bunch of emperor farmers - please remove the fabricated quote

@‌leewells

you crack me up mate - so now you want us to believe that you can capture the throne keeps against all these 120 impulse spammers, but can't stay to defend them?

also the celarus campaign that we are specifically referring to - how can you even begin to expect people to believe you that it was dead for 30 minutes - lol - the EP farmers shift was up and they were flipping the entire inner circle back in less than an hour - celarus was NONSTOP action - emp farming action

@Observant & @‌leewells

you both need to take a few days off and talk with each other and get your stories straight - contradictions in just this thread alone:

we are emp farmers vs. we are not emp farmers

we defend our keeps vs. we leave the campaign, others can defend the throne

we leave because the campaign is dead vs. we leave because there are 120 impulse spammers bullying 20 of us




now i can understand people who make up lies on the fly not being able to remember what they said and tripping themselves up with contradictions - but all you two jokers needed to do was scroll back in this one thread

you do yourselves and your guild proud, and make things very clear

thank you both for that

D.

So, what you're saying is, the farmers were trying to defend their keeps -- you know those guys that were wanting to flip it as fast as possible and putting up oil pots to prevent their own side (AD) from defending with siege. So you are going to accuse Observant of being deceptive yet you make misleading claims such as this ignoring the entire fact that a farmer does NOT and WILL NOT defend a keep. Hello pot, meet kettle.

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Thank you for this thread! A guild that came to ruin my home server as a criminal targets a victim and to do so in the most vile and reprehensible terms has now come to the forums seeking help to undo the tidal wave of abuses that they themselves unleashed. Sounds like the chickens have come home to roost.

Funny how that happens eh? You accuse someone of farming and find out, they're not farming.

PocketNova

Dleatherus wrote: »

@lillyaustin‌

since we agree on point 1 no comment

point 2 is a statement i made - it wasn't an echo of OP

point 3 - in terms of time of the quote - you assume it took me ages of digging and grubbing through old posts because i have too much time on my hands/nothing better to do, here's how it's done (took about 90 seconds):
click on person's name - click on the 'comments' section on their page - scroll down until you see the 'title' of the thread you know the post was in - done

he was farming in celarus, my home campaign - so yeah - 110% sure - as you can see by his on words - my post was because of the humorous irony of a keep flipping emp farmer complaining about keep flipping emp farmers and asking for help

(also that some AD emp farm is not in question - not sure why you bring it up - emp farmers exist in ALL factions)

glad you're overwhelmed by point 4 because it seemed lost on you originally

ty for your appraisal of my posts

D.

1. Cool.
2. Noted.
3. Since this entire thread is about assuming things, yeah, I assumed as much. I don't stalk other people's profiles so I was unaware you could use such a tool to locate a specific post. Noted for future.
4. I am aware of what happened in Celarus and who you were on that campaign at the particular time in question. I saw things with my own eyes. I do not need a re-hash of the past, yet again. I think its time you learned to let it go. That campaign time has passed, move forward and focus on your current one.
5. Actually the reason I keep bringing up the AD is because it actually is relevant, since unlike you, I am talking about the current situation in Chrysamere and not an old campaign. This particular AD guild that I am referring to is the very and only guild that is trying to farm emperor on Chrysamere. That is very relevant to this thread.
6. Well, seeing as you didn't get the sarcasm I think I'll leave it here.

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Thank you for this thread! A guild that came to ruin my home server as a criminal targets a victim and to do so in the most vile and reprehensible terms has now come to the forums seeking help to undo the tidal wave of abuses that they themselves unleashed. Sounds like the chickens have come home to roost.

Ok, I'm confused. Are you talking about something on Chrysamere? Because if you are indeed referring to said campaign I don't know where the hell you've been but if you were actually active there you'd know the truth. Again, another one who assumes things in this thread. It's becoming an epidemic.

Observant

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant‌

you have made a false quote to support your argument - pretty low handed but expected from a bunch of emperor farmers - please remove the fabricated quote

Naw, I kind of like it. Apparently ESO Forum mods don't though, let them earn their money.

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant & @‌leewells

you both need to take a few days off and talk with each other and get your stories straight - contradictions in just this thread alone:

we are emp farmers vs. we are not emp farmers

We are not farming emperor, simply leaving and coming back in to drop rank on the leader-board. Some call it farming, some also believed the earth was flat.

Dleatherus wrote: »

we defend our keeps vs. we leave the campaign, others can defend the throne

Both. We leave the campaign roster (drop it as our home). We don't purposely leave the campaign for the enemy to take our forts. Keep clinging onto points like this and you make yourself look extremely pathetic.

Dleatherus wrote: »

we leave because the campaign is dead vs. we leave because there are 120 impulse spammers bullying 20 of us

Both. We leave when it's dead, and also when fed up with impulse spammers. We also leave to sleep at night, make love to our wives, and make breakfast for the kids...in case you were wondering.

Dleatherus wrote: »

now i can understand people who make up lies on the fly not being able to remember what they said and tripping themselves up with contradictions - but all you two jokers needed to do was scroll back in this one thread

you do yourselves and your guild proud, and make things very clear

thank you both for that

D.

Glad we could clear up your hilariously selective concerns, D.

Dleatherus

@leewells‌

nope - what i'm saying is you both need to get your stories straight

D.

Agrippa_Invisus

Who said I changed my mind? Neither position in my (very selective and out of context) quotes is mutually exclusive.

Luckily, you're no longer in a position that I have to justify myself to you.

leewells

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Who said I changed my mind? Neither position in my (very selective and out of context) quotes is mutually exclusive.

Luckily, you're no longer in a position that I have to justify myself to you.

Actually you are. Because I don't plan on keeping emp once I'm organically deposed and I'll never champion anyone who sits here and tries to dictate what people should and should not do when they earn the emp title.

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

nope - what i'm saying is you both need to get your stories straight

D.

Obviously you weren't there. Obviously you believe everything you read on the interwebz with no evidence whatsoever or even talking to the people that were actually there. You thrive on accusations and drama and it is quite sickening.

Observant wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant‌

you have made a false quote to support your argument - pretty low handed but expected from a bunch of emperor farmers - please remove the fabricated quote

Naw, I kind of like it. Apparently ESO Forum mods don't though, let them earn their money.

Dleatherus wrote: »

@Observant & @‌leewells

you both need to take a few days off and talk with each other and get your stories straight - contradictions in just this thread alone:

we are emp farmers vs. we are not emp farmers

We are not farming emperor, simply leaving and coming back in to drop rank on the leader-board. Some call it farming, some also believed the earth was flat.

Dleatherus wrote: »

we defend our keeps vs. we leave the campaign, others can defend the throne

Both. We leave the campaign roster (drop it as our home). We don't purposely leave the campaign for the enemy to take our forts. Keep clinging onto points like this and you make yourself look extremely pathetic.

Dleatherus wrote: »

we leave because the campaign is dead vs. we leave because there are 120 impulse spammers bullying 20 of us

Both. We leave when it's dead, and also when fed up with impulse spammers. We also leave to sleep at night, make love to our wives, and make breakfast for the kids...in case you were wondering.

Dleatherus wrote: »

now i can understand people who make up lies on the fly not being able to remember what they said and tripping themselves up with contradictions - but all you two jokers needed to do was scroll back in this one thread

you do yourselves and your guild proud, and make things very clear

thank you both for that

D.

Glad we could clear up your hilariously selective concerns, D.

The problem here is, instead of being there and witnessing first hand what happened, they're trying to use the sarcasm and logic traps previously posted as some sort of 'half-cocked" evidence and admission. Even while going back and looking at the whole article they see -- yeah we were not in contact with AD, no we did not want to flip emp asap, and we were there to WIN the campaign. This is actually quite amusing though because after all this time, not a single screenshot; not a single stream/video, nothing but a nameless letter sent to someone who flipped out as soon as he got his emp title.

What peps don't get here is there is a clear line between emp farming and having your fun with emp and giving someone else a shot at it (as with the emp buffs you can literally lock yourself into the position as I'm finding this out first hand as emp that ever since I was crowned, in 8 hours I soared 100K ap ahead of everyone else while it was neck-and-neck +/-10K ap). Here is the line: people who get emp and decide to pass it down once deposed, while coming back to the campaign and attempting to win the campaign are not farmers imo -- they are there to play the game -- to PVP. Peps that come in and get buddies to feed them points on the other side to get on top of the boards, then have their guild come through and wreck all the emp keeps in 10 mins flat and leave as fast as they come in, and once drowned they immediately abdicate and never return except to get another one of their buddies emp -- That's emp farming.

Dleatherus

@leewells‌

i have had celarus as my home campaign since it started - witnessed everything not just you and your guild, but the emp farmers in all alliances did, particularly the first reset

your statement 'obviously you weren't there' is just another obvious lie

try again on the discrediting

ty

D.

Agrippa_Invisus

leewells wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Who said I changed my mind? Neither position in my (very selective and out of context) quotes is mutually exclusive.

Luckily, you're no longer in a position that I have to justify myself to you.

Actually you are. Because I don't plan on keeping emp once I'm organically deposed and I'll never champion anyone who sits here and tries to dictate what people should and should not do when they earn the emp title.

I disagree.

leewells

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

i have had celarus as my home campaign since it started - witnessed everything not just you and your guild, but the emp farmers in all alliances did, particularly the first reset

your statement 'obviously you weren't there' is just another obvious lie

try again on the discrediting

ty

D.

As far as you directing your comment to my guild: You're saying I can fake videos? You're saying my very public stream is a lie? You're saying that my guild did not defend keeps? You're saying the recorded TS3 conversations ON SAID STREAM contained conversations with AD? Talking about lying, you're about to get your ass burned very, very hard. One more time, just say you saw my guild participating in any obvious farm other than attacking keeps, taking scrolls, etc. Say it.

As far as you stating you were INDEED there and somehow convienantly overlook the fact that the farmers would come in, blow through the keeps and immediately leave as some excuse that we were involved because why? We had someone sitting in the #1 slot? What a load of butt hurt.

Now that you have clarified you were there, this makes you look like an even bigger malicious manipulator -- because EVERYONE there knew exactly how the farmers worked, and for you to sit there and go "oh you can attack a 100 man impulse team" knowing they EXODUS THE SERVER and immediately abdicate, to depose the statement that we couldn't defend against that team is obvious, OBVIOUS manipulation and misdirection. What is your play here? What are you getting out of this? Did we fak up your emp farm or something? Did we knock you off the leaderboards? I know Agrippa's excuse at least, though getting him to openly admit to it is likely not going to happen, but you can see his quotes and draw your own conclusions.

The fact you stated you were indeed there, and still going on with your accusations and manipulations makes it a lot more sickening.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Who said I changed my mind? Neither position in my (very selective and out of context) quotes is mutually exclusive.

Luckily, you're no longer in a position that I have to justify myself to you.

Actually you are. Because I don't plan on keeping emp once I'm organically deposed and I'll never champion anyone who sits here and tries to dictate what people should and should not do when they earn the emp title.

I disagree.

Indeed you do conveniently disagree, likely because there is no justification to flip-flopping before and after you are crowned. But it is quite the psychology lesson for those wanting to know why former emps oppose emp dropping so hard.

1nugam1

Is this thing still going... Can't you guys just hug it out. You'll never agree with each other that much must be clear to either of you by now.

Dleatherus

@leewells‌

i will say it and state it categorically so that there is NO misunderstanding

YOU and YOUR guild participated in DELIBERATE emperor farming right after the first reset of the Celarus campaign

I did NOT state that you talked with AD, nor that you used DK chain pulling or oil pot limit exploits - I DID say and WITNESS that your guild/alliance would ditch the campaign/not defend as soon as EP capped the inner keeps - this is partaking in DELIBERATE emperor farming

that you might have a video that shows you defending a keep changes NOTHING

AD (my alliance) was in collusion with EP - AD was able to take the inner ring after EP capped it, in less than an hour

i will also make it clear that my guild was NOT involved in any emperor farming, and in fact had the AD emperor farmers extremely upset at us because we wouldn't play along

TELL me how hard you defended your own keeps that didn't have either the inner or outer walls repaired - because I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend, but standing there to get the defence ticks - not once or twice - or when you guys were sleeping or making love to your wives, but day after day on a consistent basis

TELL me how what you are claiming now is the truth which is in complete contradiction of your earlier words:


you know what - don't tell me anything - we're done here - trying to discuss something with somebody who twists and distorts things after the fact is nonsensical

for those in any doubt knowing what @leewell previous stance on emperor farming was, vs. what he is claiming now, you can click on his name, then on his comments section and look at his posts in the relevant emperor farming threads

that will TELL you all you need to know

though i'll not be posting in this particular thread again, i'll for sure be watching it for amusement purposes

ty

D.

leewells

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌

i will say it and state it categorically so that there is NO misunderstanding

YOU and YOUR guild participated in DELIBERATE emperor farming right after the first reset of the Celarus campaign

that you might have a video that shows you defending a keep changes NOTHING

AD (my alliance) was in collusion with EP - AD was able to take the inner ring after EP capped it, in less than an hour

i will also make it clear that my guild was NOT involved in any emperor farming, and in fact had the AD emperor farmers extremely upset at us because we wouldn't play along

TELL me how hard you defended your own keeps that didn't have either the inner or outer walls repaired - because I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend, but standing there to get the defence ticks - not once or twice - or when you guys were sleeping or making love to your wives, but day after day on a consistent basis

TELL me how what you are claiming now is the truth which is in complete contradiction of your earlier words:


you know what - don't tell me anything - we're done here - trying to discuss something with somebody who twists and distorts things after the fact is nonsensical

for those in any doubt knowing what @leewell previous stance on emperor farming was, vs. what he is claiming now, you can click on his name, then on his comments section and look at his posts in the relevant emperor farming threads

that will TELL you all you need to know

though i'll not be posting in this particular thread again, i'll for sure be watching it for amusement purposes

ty

D.

You have just failed.

OVER 120 hours: http://livestream.com/goldsborogames

80 HOURS of us defending on Celarus, 12 HOURS of capping SCROLLS, 20 HOURS of attacking EMP keeps, 18 HOURS of attacking other keeps.

ALL CONVERSATIONS RECORDED which proves there were NO colluding with AD, E V E R, and even our guys actually getting ticked from getting rolled after the 3rd or 4th keep and not even coming back to play. Or maybe you know who unfit was; and maybe you understand he held emp to chase away the EP farmers. Oh, did you know he was in our guild at the time? Bet ya didn't.

The video is there, every moment I was online, which was 12+ hours per day, is on stream archives, and not a shred of anything there has any coordination with AD with the only exception of us saying, "this *** is rigged" with our guild wanting to leave, after being rolled by AD 8 times at bleakers after being told specifically (and on stream), "You can take emp keeps but not outposts,we will attack you for taking outposts" -- this is the point WE LEFT CELARUS. Oh, might I add, its on stream.

Now, go get some burn cream, you're going to need it, because I, sir, now have conclusive, irrefutable proof with your statement that you were there, that you are 110% liar and I've posted the evidence here for all to see.

Observant

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌
I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend,

How convenient of you to leave right after stating this.
I really, really want to see any videos of this nature, as well as any members of @leewells‌ guild within said videos. Betcha can't find one.

leewells

Observant wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

@leewells‌
I can show you videos of us running in and EP players just standing there not doing anything to defend,

How convenient of you to leave right after stating this.
I really, really want to see any videos of this nature, as well as any members of @leewells‌ guild within said videos. Betcha can't find one.

And I will bet a one-hundred dollar bill that not a single member of my guild was in that video just standing there, not defending. A nice, crisp, one-hundred dollar bill. He needs to go ahead and put his money where is mouth is and post said video.

You know why he can't find one? Because we didn't do it and bowed out of Celaus after seeing emp flip 8 times in 5 days and then being told that the campaign was rigged with some "treaty" made between AD and EP that we were not supposed to attack outposts. He can't show proof because you can't have proof against someone whom didn't participate in the act.

GunemCleric

@Dleatherus you should have included his whole post, it is even better with the current discussion, i have linked it directly below. it is locked and closed so context should be preserved.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/978845/#Comment_978845

leewells wrote: »

Again, its cheesy as heck, and I'd also be livid if I were trying to defend the keep, but how is this any different than a pissed off DK chaining 10 enemies inside a keep to grab a scroll, or to flank a counter-siege? Its no more of an exploit than a newb group maxing siege with ice trebs when taking down a wall and then leaving the 20 ice trebs outside when its time to move inside. While one is unintentional and the other intentional, the point remains the same.

And for the record: My guild is on Celarus. We are "farming" emperor. Do we communicate with AD? No (We can't since we trolled them 4 weeks ago and caused us to put each other on ignore). Do we purposely sabotage our alliance? No. We log off or go guest elsewhere, yes, but we do not put down oil or chain people on the walls to purposely sabotage our alliance. If other guilds want to defend the crown, knock yourselves out!

We do, indeed, have an agreement with multiple alliance guilds that we will drop emperor to them and them to us when we get it. Again, this was a very much intended mechanic, else they wouldn't have placed the message, "XXXXX has abdicated the throne!" Take caltrops for instance, the message said, "Slows enemies, does xxx damage every 2 seconds". It did not say "eliminates enemy siege", yet when you leave campaign to drop empororship to the next guy in line to "farm" it, there is a nice little message letting you know it has been done. So the question becomes, if farming emp wasn't an intended ordeal, why is there a special, built-in, in-game message designed specifically for farming the emp title?

You see, using caltrops defensively against siege -- that was an exploit as the side effect of being in god mode against siege obviously wasn't listed in any in-game programmed text. But farming emp? Its pre-programmed.

leewells

GunemCleric wrote: »

@Dleatherus you should have included his whole post, it is even better with the current discussion, i have linked it directly below. it is locked and closed so context should be preserved.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/978845/#Comment_978845

leewells wrote: »

Again, its cheesy as heck, and I'd also be livid if I were trying to defend the keep, but how is this any different than a pissed off DK chaining 10 enemies inside a keep to grab a scroll, or to flank a counter-siege? Its no more of an exploit than a newb group maxing siege with ice trebs when taking down a wall and then leaving the 20 ice trebs outside when its time to move inside. While one is unintentional and the other intentional, the point remains the same.

And for the record: My guild is on Celarus. We are "farming" emperor. Do we communicate with AD? No (We can't since we trolled them 4 weeks ago and caused us to put each other on ignore). Do we purposely sabotage our alliance? No. We log off or go guest elsewhere, yes, but we do not put down oil or chain people on the walls to purposely sabotage our alliance. If other guilds want to defend the crown, knock yourselves out!

We do, indeed, have an agreement with multiple alliance guilds that we will drop emperor to them and them to us when we get it. Again, this was a very much intended mechanic, else they wouldn't have placed the message, "XXXXX has abdicated the throne!" Take caltrops for instance, the message said, "Slows enemies, does xxx damage every 2 seconds". It did not say "eliminates enemy siege", yet when you leave campaign to drop empororship to the next guy in line to "farm" it, there is a nice little message letting you know it has been done. So the question becomes, if farming emp wasn't an intended ordeal, why is there a special, built-in, in-game message designed specifically for farming the emp title?

You see, using caltrops defensively against siege -- that was an exploit as the side effect of being in god mode against siege obviously wasn't listed in any in-game programmed text. But farming emp? Its pre-programmed.

Indeed, even have a look at these lines:

leewells wrote: »

Again, its cheesy as heck [context: as in its not an exploit, but cheesy as hell (emp farming)], and I'd also be livid if I were trying to defend the keep, but how is this any different than a pissed off DK chaining 10 enemies inside a keep to grab a scroll, or to flank a counter-siege? [you know, being no one was bringing this subject up happening on other servers.] Its no more of an exploit than a newb group maxing siege with ice trebs when taking down a wall and then leaving the 20 ice trebs outside when its time to move inside. While one is unintentional and the other intentional, the point remains the same.

And for the record: My guild is on Celarus. We are "farming" [did the "quotes" not give away the sarcasm?] emperor. Do we communicate with AD? No (We can't since we trolled them 4 weeks ago and caused us to put each other on ignore). Do we purposely sabotage our alliance? No. We log off or go guest elsewhere, yes, but we do not put down oil or chain people on the walls to purposely sabotage our alliance. If other guilds want to defend the crown, knock yourselves out! [you know, after seeing all of EP log off and leave just our guild and a small team of pugs to defend against 100 impulsers, yeah, knock yourselves out. We're not sticking around for that slaughterfest]

We do, indeed, have an agreement with multiple alliance guilds that we will drop emperor to them and them to us when we get it [you know, those little /zone's you do saying, "hey bra, you gonna drop it when deposed?"]. Again, this was a very much intended mechanic, else they wouldn't have placed the message, "XXXXX has abdicated the throne!" Take caltrops for instance, the message said, "Slows enemies, does xxx damage every 2 seconds". It did not say "eliminates enemy siege", yet when you leave campaign to drop empororship to the next guy in line to "farm" it, there is a nice little message letting you know it has been done. So the question becomes, if farming emp wasn't an intended ordeal, why is there a special, built-in, in-game message designed specifically for farming the emp title?

You see, using caltrops defensively against siege -- that was an exploit as the side effect of being in god mode against siege obviously wasn't listed in any in-game programmed text. But farming emp? Its pre-programmed.

See bolded areas emphasizing what you don't want emphasized, and italics areas indicating sarcasm, and brackets for me placing context where you likely don't want the context if people aren't reading the thread. But I would like to draw everyone's attention to your selective "justice" when it is made clear that peps are actually emp factory farming or attempting to. It happens on celarus, lets get together a cross-alliance/faction coalition to shut it down which we already did before you got there and got your jollies off on it; but when we tell you they're doing it again on another server; its a non-issue. I wonder why? Did we mess with your emp farm too or something?

Oh, the nice thing about stream archives, they have that bit in there -- us securing emp to say "no" to everyone else.

If you haven't noticed, I champion inequality. If you have no problems with people chaining people on walls or even admit that it is a problem, you have no place to be calling people out for farming.

But lets try this for context, which is the rest of the context proceeding this quote..

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/978895/#Comment_978895

Again, explain to me how this is any different than a pissed off DK chaining 10-20 enemies up on the wall and I'll concede.

You're obviously missing my point. Either you attack the issue of griefing, or farming. Don't throw both in the same pot and call it soup. Either tell us how the griefing is wrong or tell us how the farming is wrong and please stop trying the blur the lines because they are two separate problems underscored with grossly different severity. Griefing is not exploiting. Farming is not exploiting. Even when you combine the two, while it is still not "right", they are still not exploiting.

How's that for context, eh? Hows that manipulation treating you? How does it feel now that everyone knows you too now are right in this bandwagon of manipulation and misdirection? Wear the name well.

But you know what would be more amazing than quoting a post trying to manipulate the subject matter and bring it out of the context of emp farming being an EXPLOIT (which it is not, it may be hated, it may DISRUPT gameplay, but it is NOT an exploit), it doesn't hold a candle to this mysterious video that is some how floating around with a $100.00USD bounty paid by me that somehow bares evidence against my guild for farming. Again, paying $100.00USD for a link to this video and said link posted right here -- $100.00USD is plenty enough to buy another ESO account for forum access if banned. I posted mine, exonerating my guild. You next.

leewells

@Dleatherus No? You say you have a video of my guild actually farming emp farming (standing around, not doing anything) and don't want $100USD to post it here? Would an additional $100.00 (total $200USD) sweeten the pot?

GunemCleric

@leewells your edits/highlights to your quote actually made it look worse to me.

My and my guild already have tried our best to make it tough on emp farmers and...methinks you dost protest too much.

If you are claiming to be reformed former emperor (reformered emperor) farmer than just say you are sorry and move on. You did not have a 5,000,000 AP lead such that you felt it was time to move on, and you did not exhaust yourself defending for 3-4 days (of actual battle) and you admitted to farming and collusion. so move on, just say "i did not understand what i was causing or getting into" and you will have at least my respect, then you may be able to get some people to help you with the problem you now face.

MarisGolding

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

Agrippa_Invisus

MarisGolding wrote: »

@SwampRaider‌ said it perfectly. I was the first active emperor for EP in Chrys last campaign. Held the 1 spot for nearly the entire time. Abdicate? What the hell is that? The strong lead and the rest follow. Did roman emperors kill themselves to let their friends lead? Hell no. And I'm sorry, but if you need the 2 percent buffs so that your overload is competitive with others, /uninstall.

Big boys and girls fight on dawnbreaker. Come flip dat shiz

Yup. Yellow's been pushing emp since the beginning of the weekend. We make them work for it. REMEMBER THE CHALAMO!

Dleatherus

leewells wrote: »

@Dleatherus No? You say you have a video of my guild actually farming emp farming (standing around, not doing anything) and don't want $100USD to post it here? Would an additional $100.00 (total $200USD) sweeten the pot?

*sigh* returning to answer this one since it's a lie, and i reserve the right to return to correct lies

nowhere did i say i have video of you and your guild emperor farming

i said we have video of EP players just standing there doing nothing - i did NOT state that it was you and your guild

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NordJitsu

Wow.

It's hilarious to see people defending Emp farming as if it were an intended mechanic.

When you get Emperor you're supposed to fight tooth and nail to keep it. Not drop the campaign or stop playing so people can catch up to you in points.

Whether or not ZOS classifies Emp trading as an exploit (ie. punishes it) its still cheesy as hell and ruining PvP.

SirAndy

Lets face it guys and gals, the Emperor title has completely lost its meaning and significance.

When was the last time you saw a "former emperor" and you were thinking to yourself "wow, that's cool".