ESO vs other MMORPG

gonzoliving

Hey all,

As I was playing today I realised that the game (so far) hasn't felt team orientated at all.
I see other players running around and such and yet there seems to be little to none teamwork.
I only mention this as I used to play Guild Wars which was known for encouraging working in teams and groups to complete quests and the like. People used to try talk people into joining their guilds and would help their guild members and yet I have not received a single guild invite. Is this normal?
This feels more like a single player game than a MMORPG, it's like I'm playing Skyrim all over again.

**PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN PLAYING ESO FOR LONG AND MAYBE IT CHANGES AS THE GAME PROGRESSES**

IronMaiden_burnout

This is old news! its a mega crap shoot server with nothing but bots all over so don't waist your time!
Guilds are a joke, people join 5 guilds to simply benefit themselves and nothing else.
Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter.

This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed.

Sorry if I come by as blunt but I say it like it is!

Catflinger

I am OK with the system as it stands now. I come from World of Warcraft where people join gigantic mega zerg guilds for the benefits and don't ever talk to each other. The exception is if you're an elite raider; or if you're lucky enough to have a group of family and friends to have a guild with. The guilds I've found here consist of a small social guild and two trading guilds; one of which has a good social component and the other is set up strictly for trading. It's been a good experience.

As far as grouping up -- I never played GW2, but again I am finding it preferable to WoW. WoW does not have open tap, and your gold and xp is reduced if you're partied up, so people compete viciously over mob spawns rather than work together when questing out in the world. In this game, I've found that group play is spontaneous, organic and informal; and doesn't rely on an invite. This is something I enjoy.

That's not to say that things are perfect, but IMO, they are far from terrible.

Wizzo91

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

This is old news! its a mega crap shoot server with nothing but bots all over so don't waist your time!
Guilds are a joke, people join 5 guilds to simply benefit themselves and nothing else.
Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter.

This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed.

Sorry if I come by as blunt but I say it like it is!

This is bs - sorry. Guilds are not a joke.

You CAN join 5 Guilds just to take advantages but you do not have to. Nothing is forced on to you.

You will just have to look for a guild that does exactly what you want. There are tons of smaller PVP / PVE guilds out there with great communities and cooperation.

"Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter." - How do you know this? I would guess most people DO NOT buy gold (it's a small percentage)

"This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed." - Can't disagree here, sorry zenimax but you a lot of work ahead of you.

isengrimb16_ESO

Catflinger wrote: »

I am OK with the system as it stands now. I come from World of Warcraft where people join gigantic mega zerg guilds for the benefits and don't ever talk to each other. The exception is if you're an elite raider; or if you're lucky enough to have a group of family and friends to have a guild with. The guilds I've found here consist of a small social guild and two trading guilds; one of which has a good social component and the other is set up strictly for trading. It's been a good experience.

As far as grouping up -- I never played GW2, but again I am finding it preferable to WoW. WoW does not have open tap, and your gold and xp is reduced if you're partied up, so people compete viciously over mob spawns rather than work together when questing out in the world. In this game, I've found that group play is spontaneous, organic and informal; and doesn't rely on an invite. This is something I enjoy.

That's not to say that things are perfect, but IMO, they are far from terrible.

I echo this guy. I spent four-five years grinding WoW. When I started - Wrath baby, 3.2, according to my files - there were still group quests. Most of those are gone now, except for the Ghostlands (and possibly some in the Draenei starter area).

Most of my latest WoW alts have been leveled through nothing but dungeons - I have an 88 priest who has never set foot in Pandaria, because I'm sick of the shooting-gallery mentality of the game in general, really. Timeless Isle really cut it - Battlefield:Barrens was boring enough I skipped most of it (after buying the Gadzooki parody) to play Skyrim. If WoD is just going to be TI shooting-gallery garbage, with side quests with no text or reasoning - just kill x amount of y and get z, and a main story they seem to have stolen from the dumpster belonging to writers for Doctor Who and Dragonball - then, I won't be going back, garrisons or no.

Group content here (and the group finder itself) seem to be more of a reserved thing, for instanced dungeons, PvP, and this upcoming Craglorn.

JosephChip

Not really. Having played both GW and this I feel the PvE experience has been mostly identical. In GW there are dynamic events to encourage grouping. In ESO we have world bosses and anchors. Also there are plenty of group dungeons in ESO. In the end the social aspect of an mmo is largely up to the players.

Zafieiria

ESO is one of those games where you can choose to be social or antisocial if you so choose. You can complete most of the quests without the help of anyone if you so desire (minus the group dungeons and anchors of course). Some people prefer playing alone, and that's completely fine. I personally play with friends and my brother. I find the game more enjoyable when you have someone there to rage with when creatures don't load in completely and somehow manage to kill you when they are invisible (thank you, my toaster of a computer).

Lilth

Zafieiria wrote: »

ESO is one of those games where you can choose to be social or antisocial if you so choose. You can complete most of the quests without the help of anyone if you so desire (minus the group dungeons and anchors of course).

Agree^
I prefer to quest alone most of the time because I get sidetracked exploring a lot When I do group with my husband he spends all his time asking me where I am going because I run off to check something out. Elder Scrolls encourages exploring and I think that is why there is a lot of solo players. I group up with a few people we run with when doing harder dungeons or anchors and things like that.
Also, I do know there is less chat in guilds sometimes because of the voice servers. A lot of people use those and it can make guild chat seem dead.

isengrimb16_ESO

Though I'm mostly a soloer, I will pack up when I see people on the same quest I am. I will wait at anchors or even public dungeons for at least one person to show up (besides the time I soloed harridan's lair, there was absolutely no one around at the time, not even bots, but I managed on my own somehow). I shout in zone if an anchor or mini-anchor drops on my head, as they usually do.

Tavore1138

I think you can be social or not as you wish, which fits the TES brand.

A lot of informal grouping is my personal experience - dolmens & world bosses are the obvious examples but many are the times that I have waded through a dungeon or an overland side by side with someone I have never seen before or since.

I have done a couple of groups for dolmens & world bosses... and one particularly brutal solo boss fight.

And of course there is more formal PvP in Cyrodil, although I gather some campaigns are better than others I seem to be in one where the throne changes hands on a regular basis and my side goes from owning the map to barely holding the home base and back again often.

I have yet to venture into guilds, I am a MMO newcomer and the whole formal interaction thing scares me... But in time that will change I'm sure.

Sure bugs & bots are a problem and a lot depends on what ZOS do on this front but overall a positive experience.

Akuydab14_ESO

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

This is old news! its a mega crap shoot server with nothing but bots all over so don't waist your time!
Guilds are a joke, people join 5 guilds to simply benefit themselves and nothing else.
Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter.

This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed.

Sorry if I come by as blunt but I say it like it is!

Guilds are functioning exactly as intended. If you want to be in a small social guild, nothing is stopping you... you can be in five guilds. Like you said. Many MMO's are like this anyways...

Seeing as you have more gold than you know what to do with late game, (I have redone my talents five times, and attributes once) and I have almost 70k gold, and I have bought some crafting mats as I leveled, also bought motifs and such shortly after launch. I've barely sold anything to other people.

Economy is right where it should be with supply and demand.

gonzoliving

Sorry if by starting this thread that I caused an argument, it wasn't my intention.

So I understand, thanks to you guys, that the social side of guilds is completely up to the guild itself. In saying this, can any of you suggest any good guilds to join who work as a close-knit team?

Thank you once again.

IronMaiden_burnout

Akuydab14_ESO wrote: »

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

This is old news! its a mega crap shoot server with nothing but bots all over so don't waist your time!
Guilds are a joke, people join 5 guilds to simply benefit themselves and nothing else.
Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter.

This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed.

Sorry if I come by as blunt but I say it like it is!

Guilds are functioning exactly as intended. If you want to be in a small social guild, nothing is stopping you... you can be in five guilds. Like you said. Many MMO's are like this anyways...

Seeing as you have more gold than you know what to do with late game, (I have redone my talents five times, and attributes once) and I have almost 70k gold, and I have bought some crafting mats as I leveled, also bought motifs and such shortly after launch. I've barely sold anything to other people.

Economy is right where it should be with supply and demand.

The bots are everywhere as I type this and they have been since 5 hours into the headstart. This game is nothing but a hacking good time!
I've played over 20 MMO's in the last 14 years and never have I seen such a hacking fest like this.

fredarbonab14_ESO

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

This is old news! its a mega crap shoot server with nothing but bots all over so don't waist your time!
Guilds are a joke, people join 5 guilds to simply benefit themselves and nothing else.
Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter.

This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed.

Sorry if I come by as blunt but I say it like it is!

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Are you a player/subscriber? Why are you here if you believe your certifiably-insane drivel?

Monkeyshoeslive

Don't treat ESO as a MMO. View it as a single player online game with multiplayer elements

IronMaiden_burnout

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

This is old news! its a mega crap shoot server with nothing but bots all over so don't waist your time!
Guilds are a joke, people join 5 guilds to simply benefit themselves and nothing else.
Tons of players are buying gold online from these bots so economy is down the shitter.

This game is nothing but a hack-able mess. It needs to be shut down and fixed.

Sorry if I come by as blunt but I say it like it is!

I hope you unsubbed and will go away.

Let me say that I love this game was playing in last 4 betas got the imp pre order and was pumped.
Now I did unsubb because the hacker bots and gold farmers running rampant on every corner has ruined my game. I have spent most of my gametime reporting bots and hackers and sad to see this game failing like this.

You like to play in a hacked environment of invisible teleporting bots all over? good for you! As for me, I do not play games hacked to the *** like this let alone pay for them.
One day if they ever implement a good cheat detection system and I see they are making more of an effort than logging on a GM for 15 mins on some random night, I will re-subb.

Until then go ahead and live in denial and pretend that the world around you in rosy!

JosephChip

I am really clueless when it comes down to discuss the bot issue. Seems like some people report millions of bots everywhere. Other have never seen them. I have leveled a character from 1 to VR8, played through 14 zones, 20 if we count the little islands, and have rarely seen any bots. One in Coldharbor I believe. If the presence of bots is really your only argument, I'll just gladly keep enjoying my time in this game, thank you. Really just a minor nuisance.

ZOS_TristanK

We'd like to pop in and remind everyone to please keep the conversation civil, on-topic, and constructive. We'd love to continue reading your feedback in regards to the group/team environment in ESO.

lavendercat

JosephChip wrote: »

I am really clueless when it comes down to discuss the bot issue. Seems like some people report millions of bots everywhere. Other have never seen them. I have leveled a character from 1 to VR8, played through 14 zones, 20 if we count the little islands, and have rarely seen any bots. One in Coldharbor I believe. If the presence of bots is really your only argument, I'll just gladly keep enjoying my time in this game, thank you. Really just a minor nuisance.

completely agree.

this is my favorite mmo of all time. i played wow for years but now i hate it.

i have tried quite a few mmos. i hated lord of the rings. star wars was impressive but i didnt like the thing where you were forced to use a pet tank.

tera is the worst game i have ever seen.

Lilth

gonzoliving wrote: »

Sorry if by starting this thread that I caused an argument, it wasn't my intention.

So I understand, thanks to you guys, that the social side of guilds is completely up to the guild itself. In saying this, can any of you suggest any good guilds to join who work as a close-knit team?

Thank you once again.

It's all good and you didn't start an argument You posted a legitimate concern about how you see your game play experience so far.

Anyway, the guild I'm in is still very small (17 people) it was started by a few of us as a social guild. We are keeping trade out of it.
That being said, we are mostly in Vet ranks and still a little spread out as far as zones and levels. A few people are in the level 40 range. Our plan is to get a group going for Craglorn tackle vet dungeons etc...
We do group up for quests and all that too. Not me so much since I focus on soloing due to my play style but others group up a lot. You can shoot me a whisper in game if interested ID is @katetblue77 or you can ask around in game about a smaller social guild. We also use TS so most of the communication is on voice chat.

Good Luck!

Rev780

I have a great guild with mumble and we talk while we quest, instance, or AvA. Too many people want a polished game from the start. You may all claim to be x-WoW, etc but if you were then you would know that WoW released FAR from perfect and had tons of bugs. I remember many times getting pissed at how man days in a row the servers went offline for this bug or that. Getting game time because they took so long. Guess what, WoW is still broken and you hear the same QQ in every forum. I am happy with this game and though it has bugs, I am sure they will be worked and reworked in time.

Sendarya

About guilds, at first I thought the 5 guild things was going to be odd, but now I love it. For instance, I belong to 2 large guilds that cover most content (trade, pvp, pvp), but then I belong to a mage only guild, and a provisioner guild. Both of these are small, but I wouldn't give them up for anything! The provisioner guild has only 22 people in it, but we put rare mats in the bank, and only those who have those recipes take them out. The deal is, if you take out rares to use, put in some you aren't using, then everyone has access to some. I would NOT trust a huge guild to do this.

I like the specialization that 5 guilds allows, is my point. And the trust.

As for bots, in some areas I see them around, but excepting a few rare instances (like "it's here!" for 3 hours in The Rift), I just don't let them bother me.

Leggit

@op i disagree with you (respectfully:) teams happen spontaneously all the time. Based on the events happening at the time, place and enemy involved; it may last a few seconds or a few minutes. without any formal grouping taking place...and it happens all the time.

as a side note VR leveling is more party orientated imo.

Pmarsico9

Compared to WoW (played from '06 until 2/14 other than Cataclysm which I skipped) and Rift (which I played until they turned the game completely into a clone of WoW even more than it was during Cataclysm, essentially up until they nerfed Hammerknell) this is very different experience.

Whether you think it is good or bad is entirely up to you.

One thing is certain, essentially nothing in ESO is about instant gratification. Which is a great thing.

AshTal

I actually like the fact I don't have to be grouped with people but we still work as a team. I have run some dungeons as an informal group sticking together healing each other but not needing to officially group up to do the dungeon.
I would like some guild incentives such as guild keeps, shops etc etc and hopefully they will come.

Nazon_Katts

The low xp gain rate in dungeons is the cause for the overall lonely feel prior to VR. People do them maybe once, if at all and thanks to the group finder you probably won't see many of those few advertising for them. Sometimes you can even sit as Tank/Healer combo in the queue for quite some time and wait for DPS.

If dungeons become a viable way to level again, I can see many people leveling their alts through them, because they do not want to go through all the questing again. I, for one, have a character waiting for this and am hoping for a much better grouping experience then.

It does change a bit in VR, as it's better to enter delves with a group and it's generally easier to duo the veteran 'solo' content. Phasing problems, which they said they have fixed in a future build, still make questing together a less than optimal experience however.

Gwarok

ESO vs other MMORPG?

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

We'd like to pop in and remind everyone to please keep the conversation civil, on-topic, and constructive. We'd love to continue reading your feedback in regards to the group/team environment in ESO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG7uksXOCio

(EDIT)... I for one can't tell you why, BUT I LOVE where @ZOS Dev's took this game (content wise) and I can not wait for our first official content patch.

#WHY,isSOOOoGood!

Hadria

I love that I don't have to actually group with anyone. I'm out exploring see done peeps we end up joining together to do something then before you know it you got a lil group of friends running around messing *** up. Made quite a few friends that way. A lot of times they ask if we wanna group which is cool and sinfulness we don't which is just as cool. This game is a blast

Apricot

Rev780 wrote: »

I have a great guild with mumble and we talk while we quest, instance, or AvA. Too many people want a polished game from the start. You may all claim to be x-WoW, etc but if you were then you would know that WoW released FAR from perfect and had tons of bugs. I remember many times getting pissed at how man days in a row the servers went offline for this bug or that. Getting game time because they took so long. Guess what, WoW is still broken and you hear the same QQ in every forum. I am happy with this game and though it has bugs, I am sure they will be worked and reworked in time.

WoW released over a decade ago. Comparing the quality of something put out ten years ago and something developed today is just kooky. Why not compare ESO to RIFT instead? Although RIFT launched several years ago it did so with a very polished game.

Wildstar open beta closed yesterday. I've been playing that beta like a maniac and went through a ton of areas. I tried all the classes. There was an issue with nameplates. And then there was . . . nothing else. That's it. No bugged quests, no spells or abilities not working properly, zero problems with terrain, no endless loading screens, no game crashes, no npc's glitching out . . . nothing. And this is a BETA.

People need to stop rationalizing poor management decisions. There is no excuse for churning out an unpolished, unfinished, bug-ridden game. None.

Bloodfang

True WoW released 10 years ago, yet there were still many bugged quests in Wrath area half year ago when I still played!! The PvP there has been totally unbalanced and broken for 10 years and counting!! WoW might be more polished, but it's certainly not by a far stretch despite their 10 years of development!

Rift is basically a WoW clone, but I agree it's very polished. Though one could argue that Rift is actually a big improvement over WoW. One thing is certain, if Rift and WoW would have launched on the same day, Blizzard would had been shutting down pretty fast.

As for Wildstar, I'll admit I've never even tried it. I just looked a few videos on youtube and meh, I'm sorry but I can't stand such art style. It might play very well, but I want some more active combat like ESO, and less like WoW. Though comparing it to how bugged ESO is (considering you are being honest), it's not really hard to realize that Wildstar is pretty basic, they certainly aren't developing the game that much phased as ESO is.

Such topics will always bring bashing, some will defend some will criticize, there certainly isn't enough people to just swallow their pride and sometimes agree.
Yes MMO genre is miserable at the moment, and I can't go past WoW, I can't just go through it and say Blizzard is not to blame. Brilliantly they've created an army of raging teens that just spread hate all over internet. To their misfortune the same teens destroyed the game aswell.

So to end this discussion, no MMO is perfect. ESO has a long way to go, right now there are many things that need improvement. To say the game is broken and mediocre MMO is however not correct. ESO took a step in right direction, if they manage to get on with their plan, it's going to be a fresh breath in MMO genre .

Bromburak

Its you who decides about social or antisocial and every game has enough players sharing your favorite ...

If you are not able to find people matching your social expectations you didn't even try to find them and apparently have nothing to offer from your self.
So don't blame the game , go out and find people and quit watching randoms ... In most cases they are never a team or a good reference as usual in every game.

Read about guilds and let them show you how much social they can be.
And actually try to show them how it could be. You know many players are very passive and just joining guilds for benefits but never think about making a guild become better and being an active member.

Its up to you, like always.